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Fitzpatrick - 7th round
Heinicke - undrafted
Allen - undrafted
Montez - undrafted

Just saying .... :noidea:
 

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Haskins was supposed to be the guy. Fifteenth overall. Part of me thinks Ron wasn't calling timeouts early in the season because he wanted to lose so he could move on from Dwayne as quickly as possible.
 

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Haskins was supposed to be the guy. Fifteenth overall. Part of me thinks Ron wasn't calling timeouts early in the season because he wanted to lose so he could move on from Dwayne as quickly as possible.
i dont buy the CSI stuff . i think he gave an immature entitled player all the rope he needed to hang himself
 

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That's fair skinsdad, a year later I am still trying to figure out why Ron was coaching the way he was coaching in Sept/Oct.

Not calling TOs, going for two in NY. I just don't understand it.
 

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But not to hijack the thread, we have a gunslinger journeyman and some Carolina dudes. I do like the approach we are taking. Build up everything around the QB, have a top 5 defense, until you find your guy.

If all of those things are still in place when they do find their guy, they will be legit SB contenders. Especially if Brady is done by then.

Russell could be in the AFC by then. Brees is gone.

I wanted Stafford, but was glad Ron showed restraint.
 

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That's fair skinsdad, a year later I am still trying to figure out why Ron was coaching the way he was coaching in Sept/Oct.

Not calling TOs, going for two in NY. I just don't understand it.
There was some strange coaching calls early. Maybe he wasn't himself while worrying and going through the cancer treatments.
 

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But not to hijack the thread, we have a gunslinger journeyman and some Carolina dudes. I do like the approach we are taking. Build up everything around the QB, have a top 5 defense, until you find your guy.

If all of those things are still in place when they do find their guy, they will be legit SB contenders. Especially if Brady is done by then.

Russell could be in the AFC by then. Brees is gone.

I wanted Stafford, but was glad Ron showed restraint.
Yeah, I am not bitching. We all get so hung up on you have to have a No. 1 to be successful. That has been proved wrong over the years.

Trevor Lawrence is the only guy coming out that I think it is pretty much a lock. Other guys may do well too, just not sure they are a lock.

Guys like the Skins have now need time to learn. Fitzpatrick said that in his presser.
 

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Fitzpatrick - 7th round
Heinicke - undrafted
Allen - undrafted
Montez - undrafted

Just saying .... :noidea:
LIke @kbso83432 said, Haskins was the 15th overall choice and he failed (was a bad choice at the time, but most of us knew that). Josh Rosen was the 10th overall choice, but that doesn't make him any better than the BU on his 3rd team in 3 years (a road Haskins is headed down). I smell where you've coming from though--invest in talent or you just have to get lucky.

To that end, in the QB debate, you will hear this one--how many have ever won a SB?
--There have been 55 SBs so far
--only 32 QBs have ever won a SB
--Of the 32, 14 were top 10 picks, 15 if you include Big Ben at 11th overall
--12 of those 15 have won more than one SB

The Converse is also an interesting study--again, 55 SBs, but what about the losers?
--only 42 Qbs have ever lost a SB
--15 of the 42 (more than 1/3rd), were drafted in the top 10, 16 if you include Kilmer at 11th overall
--28 of the 42 losing QBs lost in their only SB and never made another one as a starter
--9 of those 28 Qbs who lost their only SB appearance, were drafted in the top 10 (including Kilmer at 11th)
--4 Qbs account for 13 (about 25%) of all SB losses (Tarkenton, Elway, Kelly, Brady)

That history says that about if you want a QB who can take you to the SB (let alone win), your best chance--by far and away--is in the top 10 picks in Rd 1, where about 50% of the SB winners are found.
 

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i dont buy the CSI stuff . i think he gave an immature entitled player all the rope he needed to hang himself
Haskins actually got 2 chances to keep his job and blew them both. Probably should have went in the 4th. He has arm talent but i guess he's a spoiled brat
 

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LIke @kbso83432 said, Haskins was the 15th overall choice and he failed (was a bad choice at the time, but most of us knew that). Josh Rosen was the 10th overall choice, but that doesn't make him any better than the BU on his 3rd team in 3 years (a road Haskins is headed down). I smell where you've coming from though--invest in talent or you just have to get lucky.

To that end, in the QB debate, you will hear this one--how many have ever won a SB?
--There have been 55 SBs so far
--only 32 QBs have ever won a SB
--Of the 32, 14 were top 10 picks, 15 if you include Big Ben at 11th overall
--12 of those 15 have won more than one SB

The Converse is also an interesting study--again, 55 SBs, but what about the losers?
--only 42 Qbs have ever lost a SB
--15 of the 42 (more than 1/3rd), were drafted in the top 10, 16 if you include Kilmer at 11th overall
--28 of the 42 losing QBs lost in their only SB and never made another one as a starter
--9 of those 28 Qbs who lost their only SB appearance, were drafted in the top 10 (including Kilmer at 11th)
--4 Qbs account for 13 (about 25%) of all SB losses (Tarkenton, Elway, Kelly, Brady)

That history says that about if you want a QB who can take you to the SB (let alone win), your best chance--by far and away--is in the top 10 picks in Rd 1, where about 50% of the SB winners are found.

I pray to God we haven't found ourselves on the 7-9, 8-8 hamster wheel.
 

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I pray to God we haven't found ourselves on the 7-9, 8-8 hamster wheel.

This is a good point.

Personally, they seem to be proceeding fairly methodically through this offseason.
They didnt throw an insane amount of cash at anyone, spent a reasonable amount of money on modest upgrades, retained their most important free agent (sherff), still have their full compliment of draft picks, and didnt get suckered into a bad contract or a bidding war.

They’re in good shape cap-wise, and can upgrade the talent level in multiple ways through the draft.

To me, they’re poised to take a step forward.
 

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If we are patient we could be a perennial winner but remember we had only 7 wins last year
 

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What I love about Rivera is that he has instilled a sense of professionalism throughout the park.

Got rid of people who didnt want to work (Haskins) didn't want to be here (Williams & Dunbar) and within one year, other teams can no longer circle the Skins on their schedule and check "W" next to their name.
 

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i dont buy the CSI stuff . i think he gave an immature entitled player all the rope he needed to hang himself
Do you believe Snyder mandated that Haskins be made the starter?
 

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I pray to God we haven't found ourselves on the 7-9, 8-8 hamster wheel.
Here is a weird thought .... there are no more .500 teams without a tie.
 

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i think so
Yeah, I thought that early on after Haskins was benched. Still, that doesn't explain some of the coaching decisions far as not calling timeouts. And going for 2 was while Allen was QBing. Though I wasn't as broke up about going for 2, as much as I was about the play call. Be that as it may. If Snyder was pulling strings early on. I think RR is firmly in charge now n has been for a while.

That doesn't mean Snyder can't or won't get back in the mix again though n that worries me.
 

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LIke @kbso83432 said, Haskins was the 15th overall choice and he failed (was a bad choice at the time, but most of us knew that). Josh Rosen was the 10th overall choice, but that doesn't make him any better than the BU on his 3rd team in 3 years (a road Haskins is headed down). I smell where you've coming from though--invest in talent or you just have to get lucky.

To that end, in the QB debate, you will hear this one--how many have ever won a SB?
--There have been 55 SBs so far
--only 32 QBs have ever won a SB
--Of the 32, 14 were top 10 picks, 15 if you include Big Ben at 11th overall
--12 of those 15 have won more than one SB

The Converse is also an interesting study--again, 55 SBs, but what about the losers?
--only 42 Qbs have ever lost a SB
--15 of the 42 (more than 1/3rd), were drafted in the top 10, 16 if you include Kilmer at 11th overall
--28 of the 42 losing QBs lost in their only SB and never made another one as a starter
--9 of those 28 Qbs who lost their only SB appearance, were drafted in the top 10 (including Kilmer at 11th)
--4 Qbs account for 13 (about 25%) of all SB losses (Tarkenton, Elway, Kelly, Brady)

That history says that about if you want a QB who can take you to the SB (let alone win), your best chance--by far and away--is in the top 10 picks in Rd 1, where about 50% of the SB winners are found.
Good points but you have to go back and look at how many 1st round failures there are. Or maybe a 6th rounder from Michigan and a 3rd rounder from Notre Dame who have won 11 SBs between them ... 20% of the SB wins.

My point is having a 1st round QB promises nothing. Witness Heath Shuler, Patrick Ramsey, Jason Campbell, Robert Griffin and Duane Haskins.

Meanwhile guys named Brady and Fitzpatrick have 736 career TD passes between them. LOL

I also thought it was interesting what the draft position of the WTFs four current QBs is.
 
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