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  1. Sharkinva

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    So I take it our no welfare crowd will be sending some strongly worded letters to Senator Grassley AMiright???


    Sens. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) and John Tester (D-Mont.) have applied for relief via President Trump's bailout package.

    Two U.S. senators have opted to take advantage of President Donald Trump’s $12 billion bailout for American farmers, intended to offset the negative effects of Trump’s trade war.

    Senators Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) and John Tester (D-Mont.) both applied for the federal assistance for their farms
     



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    Well, I'm not a no welfare crowd member, but I am a concerned citizen about the abuse of welfare, which was never intended to be a permanent benefit for able bodied (both physically and mentally) people. And this is abuse of the welfare system. They both should be called out, not just Grassley. Wouldn't you agree.

    In fact, I'm not sure I have seen anyone on this board suggest that we have no welfare system. IF I am wrong, let me know. But I'm curious if anyone thinks the current system is effective? What should welfare be intended to accomplish?
     
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    You're kidding right? We've been exchanging texts for some time now and among those exchanges you've clearly outlined your position on these things. It seems now you're attempting to change earlier statements to include known adverbs such as "never" ("government should never") when you know that is not the case.

    It's not difficult to determine what your religious opinion is when you've clearly stated that "life begins at conception" that IS a religious opinion. To then attempt to infer that your anti-abortion position is merely rooted in law is laughable. You're talking about conception, which in In legal medical jurisprudence, is defined as the beginning of pregnancy. (note the term "pregnancy" and not life) So where does your "life" stance come from? (rhetorical) There's only one other place.
     
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    Maybe I missed it and that's likely an oversight by me. So let's do this, here's one listing of some of Obama's accomplishments with citations. In exchange I would appreciate the same from you about Trump with citations.

    A LONG List Of President Obama’s Accomplishments (With ...
    addictinginfo.com/...list-of-president-obamas-accomplishments-with...

    In addition, I'm going to include this fact check about those accomplishments, and hopefully you'll do the same. Thanks!

    Obama Accomplishments - snopes.com
    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/barack-obama-accomplishments
     
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    1. Then it would and is not used to benefit everyone.

    2. illogical

    3. What exactly do you think would be done with raising of said taxes? Our infrastructure is decaying badly, there have already been deaths associated with either poorly maintained bridges or the need to totally replace them. BTW: taxes should be fairly applied, the problem is "fairly" as in one person's fair is another person's unfair. See the problem?

    4. This is a dumb idea, I didn't want to say it as directly as I now have, but sometimes the direct route is best in such "conversations." This is an old conservative notion where paying monies to the IRS will
    What have I done? Hmmmm Let's see I am a Vietnam veteran who has taken lives for this country. After, actually during my time in service I determined that my repentance for taking those lives would be a lifelong dedication to healing and saving as many lives as possible. A few year back I put my name on a ballot in an attempt to take a county seat. I am a member of several organizations including the AMA, CHEST (ACCP) and NAACP. I'm extremely active in my community and once served as president of my citizens Associations. As a concerned parent and now grandparent, you might appreciate my continued involvement in local politics, the education system here and fund raising events.

    What have I done? Nothing...yet!:D
     
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    Hatred is in supporting this tyrant. Here's something that Trump has yet to do...govern!

    Governing requires that you serve all of the people, not selected groups or sections of a given population. He's not done that yet, and people for their own selfish interests support that foolishness! The title is "President of the United States" not "President of those places that support me."
     
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    Maybe they are playing games with the people, after all they too belong to the 1%.
     
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    Well I agree both should be called out. But it has been proven by many that abuse of welfare is what democrats do. SO I kind of assumed the hate on that one was baked in.
     
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    Welfare is abused by many because it is a shitty plan that is ripe for abuse. It make no difference what political affiliation the abuser is. What welfare was intended to do when instituted is no longer what it does. It has grown into an unmanageable, expensive, inefficient and ineffective pile of shit. As most government programs do over a period of time......usually a short period of time.
     
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    I agree with you wholeheartedly. But you also have known me long enough to know that occasionally I wake up on the sarcastic side of the bed more often than not as i get older. And I have noticed a real penchant by some to twist the narrative that welfare is a program by democrats and is primarily abused only by democrats.

    So cut me some slack as the sarcasm is strong at the moment. :suds:
     
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    I'm sure that you consider yourself a serious person and I'll not refute that, so let's take a lo0ok at what you have now confessed to be.

    You say that I refuse to acknowledge Trumps contribution to current economic conditions, wrong! Where I disagree is in the attempt to give credit where it is not warranted. It is you and @Gk who refuse to properly give credit to "Obumma." Personally I don't give a shit about Trump being an asshole, I do care about the clear signs that a country this divided being vulnerable to persons who show all of the earmarks of a want to be dictator. I know that you don't believe me but, an interesting read for you might be this...
    The Rise and Fall of Adolf Hitler by William L. Shirer ...
    https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/the-rise-and-fall-of-adolf-hitler...

    It includes everything from "Making Germany great again" attacks on the media, white fears, even the return of good economic conditions following WWI and tribalism. The parallels are troublesome. You want to choose to be myopic that's fine.

    It is interesting that you throw out the term "liberal" as if that's something to be dismissed, that sort of historical ignorance is stunning. Stop buying into talking points and maybe you'll discover your ability think for yourself, do your own research and form more considered opinion.

    To be fair, as I've responded to @HTTR08, it is possible that I missed those listed accomplishments and that's my fault (I read everything) and if so between the two of us, I've reached out to him for another listing with citations and if possible some fact checking.

    Elections have consequences, Kavanaugh is but one of those incidentals to the 2016 election results. I am personally against abortion, since that too seems to be one of the primary stances against him. However, my position is mine and is not in a "free" country to be imposed upon someone with a differing opinion. In fact, I'll, admit that Roe v. Wade was indeed improperly ruled. The court should have ruled that it had no standing in that case and that there must be no law preventing abortion for those who desired them. Moving on, It is instructive to note the double standard in this country when the "charge is sexual assault.

    So let's talk about that "garbled google nonsense." you claim that I spout. First GK is NOT the ultimate authority on facts. He gives an opinion, I return the same, however, when the question on the table requires facts, backed by citation and actual fact checking, I make it a point to post those facts. The idea that it's all "garbled google nonsense." is telling. Maybe it a case of not wanting to deal with facts! Oh well.

    So. I'm a bitter old man who just can't get past that past huh? Well, to that I'll simply write "What's past is prologue" it's a line from Shakespeare's play "The Tempest." Now what does that mean? Well, simply put history doesn't happen in a vacuum, it prepares us for those things that we are about to do. How exactly does one forget or as you claim "get past that past" and honestly expect to function without a historical basis fails me. It is altogether possible that Trump is exactly the result of not knowing our history or denying it.


    I'm just going to repost what you've written and ask, is this really the manner in which you want to represent yourself? REALLY? [you wrote]

    "I have read just about everything you have posted in this thread topic and I'm convinced your just a bitter old black man who just can't get past that past. I can promise you that Trump don't hate blacks but you can't believe that. I can promise you that Trump loves this country and every legal citizen in it but you can't believe that. Your to busy screaming for his impeachment right along with Maxine 'the nut case who should be in jail' Waters. Why should he be impeached btw,,, because he's an ass? Is that really grounds for impeachment? Because of Collusion with Russia? Has there ever been any proof. Seems only proof that ever comes out is with your party in collusion with the FBI to take down a president because he aint their guy... or gal."

    BTW: you are completely off base in suggesting that you and I won't ever agree on anything. I understand that it's probably your fear or better, a reluctance to actually consider things without becoming emotional, (see above) but again you're totally wrong on this. In fact, it seems to me that we are both fans of a particular football team, correct? If I said that I am hoping to see a season where they not only go undefeated but also repeat as SB winners, you're not telling me that you would disagree with that are you?

    In relation to this:

    Moving the embassy in Israel to Jerusalem. Pulled the "we hate america' Iranians out of the nuke deal that gave them an open path. Begun talks with North Korea. Created millions of new jobs that Obama just couldn't figure out. Has brought to the attention the opiod crisis that inflicts this nation daily. Renegotiated unfair trade deals.... but you see none of this. Turn off the TV and open both right and left eye and you'll start to see things clearer... and fairer.

    With the exception of the so called "opiod crisis" and the creating of millions of jobs stuff everything else is subject to time as judgement. We wait to see how those thing work out. I'm not sure why you are so hell bent on giving credit for something that ongoing. Now about the "opiod crisis" @gkekoa if I recall correctly made it a point that his stance on substance abuse is connected to the judicial system, if true why then is it now a "crisis" when very recent history (Oh no not again) tells us that he's consistent in the way that it's been handled to date?

    In relation to those jobs that Obama "just couldn't figure out" let's go with the facts and not YOUR hatred. Here are the facts, deal with them!
    How Trump compares with Obama so far on jobs
    https://money.cnn.com/2017/08/04/news/economy/jobs-trump-vs-obama/

    Finally, I can't speak for either Democrats or Republicans however, I do take exception from anyone who claims credit for something that he's not done. Therein lies the Faultline upon which people disagree with Donald Trump and those who support his ridiculous claims. It is possible that his claims make your nipples hard, or gives you a warm and fuzzy feeling, but I promise you, that's not winning! Winning means that we lift all not just the choir! So let me end on a shared note. Since we both follow the same team and hopefully, always want them to do well, it is instructive to note that recently our team stood at 2-1 and hope surrounded the notion that 3-1 was possible, with nothing but good things to follow, remember? Well the question is, was that feeling "winning" or did we ultimately realize that substance trumped (pun intended) our feelings? Good luck with your feelings, I'll stick with the facts!
     
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    Agreed, however you have to ask the question, how did it get there? Certainly it wasn't the fault of those getting it, so it's possible that there something a bit more sinister going on. Probably political especially if we honestly answer the other question...what's the best way to get rid of a program that a politician group or special interest doesn't like?
     
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    Deport them??? :noidea: :pound:
     
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    I don't know because its never happened as far as I can tell. Once a government program, forever a government program. And for ever inefficient and growing more expensive.
     
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    Yet another case of GOP Voter suppression. If at first you cant win a fair election.. disenfranchise those who voted against your party


    The Supreme Court just made it harder for Democrats to win the Senate


    The Supreme Court on Tuesday upheld a lower-court order requiring voters in North Dakota to present certain forms of identification and proof of their residential address in order to cast a ballot in next month’s elections. A case challenging this requirement on behalf of the state’s sizable Native American populations alleged that the requirement would disenfranchise tribal residents, many of whom lack the proper identification and do not have residential addresses on their identification cards.
     
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    So you think that asking everyone to prove who they are in order to vote wrong? Seriously?
     
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    I think constructing laws to make it harder for AMERICANS to vote is wrong. A law that requires a street postal address when the majority of the Native Americans get their mail at a PO box is designed to disenfranchise Native Americans most of whom vote democrat.

    Or lets look at it like this, MOST military people on deployment have their mail sent to either the Army, Air Force, or Fleet PO Box in NY. From there it is forwarded to their particular unit. If the same rule were put in place, 60% of our military would in fact not be able to vote.

    SO yes I think most of the voter identity laws put in place are designed to disenfranchise minorities for the most part. But it sounds politically correct to say, we just want to make sure every one that votes is supposed to vote, rather than saying.. hey we want to get rid of possible voters against our party platform.
     
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    Wow.

    So instead of solving the problem, which is ensuring that anyone who wants a proper ID can get it, we just let anyone show up and vote. Well, that sounds reasonable. How hard is it to put a program in place at this reservation to get people IDs?

    Its not voter suppression, Shark.
     
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    What part of THIS did you miss??

    many of whom lack the proper identification and do not have residential addresses on their identification cards.

    The law is written in such a way that in order to get proper ID, you must have a postally registered residential ID. As MOST native American reservations have all their mail sent to a PO Box, they cant and wont have the postal verified street address. Period, end game. Meaning they cant register to vote unless they move off the reservation.

    North Dakota Republicans began changing voting rules to make it harder to cast a ballot months after Heitkamp’s victory six years ago. Republicans have claimed the changes to voter ID requirements are intended to stop voter fraud, even though in-person fraud is exceedingly rare.
     
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    @j_y19 that doesnt even touch on the Georgia governors race where the guy handling the redistricting and closing of polling locations also HAPPENS to be the guy running for governor. NO chance for improper activity there either though right??