politics thread

[Toadman005]

Interesting standard by the MSM

MSM is biased and corrupt? In other news, water is wet.

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

See it's really simple...

Racism is disgusting. People like northam and Trump are disgusting. They deserve to be called out on their bullshit and shamed for it.

It's weird how some of you only have a problem with racism when it's from one side...

It's weird? Conservatives have been pointing out the weirdness of the Democratic Double standard for several years now!!!

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

Second time on since early December and I see nobody is changing minds or agreeing with anyone who sees things differently. I'll just say this.

.Anyone who thinks a person is a rapist today for feeling up a girl in high school 30 plus years ago... is an idiot.
.Anyone who thinks a person is a racist for a ill advised costume from 1984 or even at anytime from 2 years back... is an idiot.
.Anyone who thinks killing a newborn after birth is OK... is a despicable human being.
.Anyone who thinks wanting a wall under one prez but then "not" wanting it from another is OK ... is a political pawn following fool.
.Anyone who believes their network of choice is speaking only truths... is an idiot.
.Anyone condemning whites of today for slave ownership of yesterday... are they themselves racist.
.Anyone who thinks MAGA slogan was intended for whites only... is an idiot beyond definition.
.Anyone who thinks white police officers wake up wanting to kill blacks, or really anyone... is an idiot.
.Anyone who thinks the N word is only a despicable word if spoken by a white man only... is an idiot (imo)
.Anyone who thinks rap has not hurt the black population in society (in some degree)and blames whites for all their ills... is probably a racist.
.Anyone who thinks white privilege is not real in todays world in some degree... probably shouldn't be taken serious.
.Anyone who puts all their money on one political party and the world as they see it... is an idiot.
.Anyone who thinks religion is not the reason for 90 percent of the worlds troubles... Is blinded by faith and a threat to mankind.... oops.. people kind.
.Anyone who is offended by everything simply because it's the flavor of the day... is a scary non thinking person.

Listen, I don't expect anyone to see the world my way or me changing any ones views on anything. I'm sure some of you will even think anyone who post a list like this... is an idiot. It's all good,, not offended.

I agree with most of what you posted. But I'm not totally sold on the white privilege thing. I'm white and have NEVER in my life experienced anything even close to "white privilege", and in fact, have experienced the opposite.



And I'm 100% in disagreement with you about your view of religion being the reason behind 90 percent of the world's troubles. First of all, my percentage of disagreement is only at 100% because of your 90 percent claim. If you didn't include a percentage and just claimed it was the reason behind a lot of the world's problems, I could have agreed with that, for the most part. But even then I still have a foundational disagreement in that I do not look at religion as a right or wrong kind of issue, as I feel that religion is nothing but a tool, and it depends on the person wielding the tool. Like a hammer is a tool, in the hands of a good man, it aids that good man in building a home for a homeless family, for example, but in the hands of a psychopath, it aids that bad man in murdering his victims.

Otherwise I liked the rest of what you posted.

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

You do realize that all of those things can be done by a racist right?

Just because they CAN be done by a racist, doesn't mean they WERE done by a racist. They could just have easily have been done by a straight shooting rich guy from NYC who doesn't feel the need to be PC.

 

[ehb5]

@Toadman005


I have to say...for a post that was supposed to rip my argument apart this was pretty underwhelming.



Yes, and accusations are merely that. Accusations. The number of them don’t matter if none are ever proven to be true.

Yes and no. Accusations are also often more than accusations. And when there is a significant volume of credible accusations thats a massive red flag. I think thats pretty indisputable.


Successful businessman sued? Unheard of. Did he lose the case?

This counterargument doesnt apply when your being sued by the DOJ (though Im not sure its a good one even if it were somebody else suing).

He settled the case.


So? You are assuming he was pushing for their deaths because of their race(s), not because of what they were accused of, and acquitted of….and as Trump felt they were guilty, THAT was why he’d have wanted them executed. Not because of their race. Maintaining they’re guilty doesn’t make him racist either. Most everyone accepts OJ was guilty of murder and yet he was acquitted. Does believing him guilty make one racist? No? Exactly.

No, I am providing it as part of Donald Trump's past. Why was he so determined to have the death penalty without evidence?

Why when evidence showed it was not them, did he deny that?

OJ is not a similar case - these men were exonerated by DNA evidence.


Finally an example of an actual RACIST comment. And with a bear minimum of research, citing liberal/leftist leaning slopes no less, the example falls apart. That statement comes from a book written by John R. O’Donnell, a disgruntled former employee of Trump Plaza Hotel & Casino, and neither the statement nor the sentiment behind it has been corroborated elsewhere.

The argument does not fall apart. Youve shown nothing to prove that quote is false. Now of course - I showed nothing to prove it was true. But as I pointed out Trump himself said the book was probably true. And while that specific remark is not corroborated (or disputed) by any other witnesses (we dont know there were any anyways), there are many other claims from former employees and people who have known Trump of his racism.

Now sure - could they ALL be lying? I guess. But if you once again dismiss that and don't find it concerning, I think you have some questions to ask yourself.

Even if I accept that as true without a source, knowing Trump, a snarky sarcastic reply or even an answer taken out of context. Bottom line it’s still a heresy accusation that borders on libel. There is no evidence he ever said it.

I mean - I guess? Why not dismiss everything he says as a joke except the parts you like? Words matter.


And, again, that doesn’t make him a racist. If he believed, as many did, Obama was not a native born American, that has nothing to do with racism or bigotry. It was questioning wether he could, legally, be President. NOTHING TO DO WITH RACE. Are you suggesting even questioning (a relatively unknown Obama’s) background is racist?

What other reason did Trump have for pushing birtherism? Why did he leap to that conclusion? And yes, why did so many other people jump right on board and buy in without any evidence?


Again, so what? Are you someone who feels the concept of “white genocide” is a conspiracy/myth, and, inherently racist? Otherwise, Trump merely did something 99% of Twitter users has done…retweeted something he was without researching who he was retweeting or whether it was 100% accurate. As for the incorrect statistics, you’d have to provide the actual tweets and then show where they were shown to be inaccurate before I’d even begin to lend any credibility towards it as an example of racism. Like if he tweeted a meme that said “10 out of every 7 black men r*pe white women”, well, no shit, that’s fucking racist. If he retweeted something that is seemingly credible but not 100% accurate, that makes him guilty of nothing save inaccuracy.

Yeaaaaa somebody with the username whitegenocidetm is probably racist. And would you look at that a cursory search finds blatantly anti-semitic tweets from that account. Gee what a surprise.

Here is the post i was referring to.

Trump's Pants on Fire tweet that blacks killed 81% of white homicide victims

Its blatantly false. It is not seemingly credible. And if the president of the united states thinks that is credible he is either racist or extremely stupid (or both).

Source? Even if true, for argument sake, that’s still not RACISM. It’s an asshole thing to assume that just because someone’s family descended from mexico, they might be biased, but it’s not racist. Mexico is a country….not a race.

In context: Trump's racial comments about federal judge

So your argument is he's just xenophobic not racist? Thats...bold.


This is an exaggerated talking point the media purposely misconstrues to this day. It was clear Trump was referring to unvetted immigration or taking in of refugees from areas of the world where radical islam is problematic. With ANY common sense and benefit of the doubt understood he didn’t mean “all muslims”. Insisting otherwise is a LIE. It’s saying things like that that cost you credibility and make your entire list (most of which is broad accusations)

No it was not. He said "ALL MUSLIMS".

Look - when you have to explain away every statement a man makes about minorities as, "well ya see he didnt really mean what he said" thats a problem.

The man said what he said.

Okay? That makes him, what, an asshole? Not a racist.

Well, both.


And, who is that quote attributed to? Arpaio was a hard ass. But this little quote is opinion. Racial profiling, for example, on traffic stops when he was a crack down on illegals cop is “extreme”? It was also effective, but, hey don’t let that little fact get in the way. Sadistic punishments like work programs, for criminals. How terrible.

Thats fair - the quote is opinion. Though when that quote is a valid opinion of you thats....a problem.

"Oh yea who cares about a little racial profiling and infringing on peoples rights - he caught some of those dang illegals! Worth it!"


Again, rather than broadly say that, provide his actual QUOTE that “appears” to defend white supremacists. As I recall, he drew the outrage of the leftist media because he refused to condemn only one side, and his criticism of the violence of both - which was TRUE - is what chaffed progressive asses. Thats NOT RACISM. Even if Duke and Spencer etc liked it - because obviously, it benefitted them in the smallest sense, it doesn’t make Trump racist. Even if racists support Trump, doesn’t make him racist, any more than anti-whites who loved Oabama don’t reflect badly on Obama. One cannot control who does or doesn’t endorse them.

No? You're free to post his quote with full context if you like - there was nothing wrong with what I said though.

He drew the outrage of far more than leftist media.

- Tangential Sidebar -
This is a really common defense of racism and other trumpisms - "the leftists and leftist media were outraged".

Trump is extremely unpopular DESPITE a strong economy. People of many walks of life, races, and political beliefs think he's a racist and an idiot and a sexist and on and on.

For one - everybody you refer to as "leftists", as though that should be some insult, makes up a massive portion of the country.

But plenty of independents and conservatives feel the same way. Some people still care more about country than party.
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If it were just that he were supported by a few racists you'd have a point. But thats not the situation.

Instead, he frequently says things that draw their outright praise and excitement. He retweets them. He struggles to criticize them without qualifying the statement by saying something positive about them or something negative about "the other side".

Its not supposed to be hard to disavow racism. Its damn concerning that Trump struggles with it so much.


Again, so what? That isn’t racist! It’s a criticism of homicidal foreign culture invading illegally.

It is racist. Its not a homicidal foreign culture invasion. Sheesh.

It’s not. It was a list of unverified claims, skewing things to make them appear racist that are more policy issues, opinions, or examples of Trump just being crass, which again, isn’t racist.

No. It was a series of deeply concerning actions and words by Trump.

Several of them are pretty damning on their own - as a whole their completely inexcusable.


You still haven’t shown ONE thing he’s said or done that’s LEGITIMATELY racist. The 90’s book quote about blacks being lazy is the only one that would qualify, and it is a claim by someone with a vendetta who can’t substantiate it. Criticizing Obama isn’t racist. wanting secure borders isn’t racist. Backing tough cops isn’t racist. Criticizing violent white nationalists no more scathingly than violent members of BLM, antics, communists, etc isn’t racist.

Who said criticizing Obama was racist? Nice straw man ya got there.

You could want secure borders without being racist, I agree. I have a hard time saying the same about demanding a wall, presenting immigrants in the worst possible light, tearing families apart, and making things as difficult as possible for innocent people just to reach that goal.

Ahh another straw man. Backing tough cops isnt racist. Good thing thats not what I said.

Backing and pardoning racist discriminatory cops is racist. Big difference.


I’d say you can make a far greater argument he’s stupid than racist, but your argument to this point is poor, so perhaps you couldn’t.

Well I agree, the man makes a case for his own stupidity damn near every day. But that doesnt make him not racist.



Well, that was foolish, because what you’ve listed here hasn’t shown any racism. Do you know what racism is? Honest question. Like, criticism of someone of a different race isn’t racism. If you look, for example, at Trump being critical of a criminal, and the race of a criminal is a POC, and you then attribute Trump’s criticism TO that persons race, rather than them being a criminal, it’s on you….it’s not an example of racism. Seems to me you just listed a bunch of “stuff” in the hopes the appearance of many example would win you the argument, but it’s a house of cards. Basically, your list was he was once sued on grounds of racial discrimination, a guy made an unverified claim of a racist epitaph, and trump has strong opinions about criminals and border security.

Who said criticism of someone of a different race was automatically racism?

Why are you making up things to argue against?

If my arguments are so fragile then argue against them - you should have no problem. Don't lie about what they are and argue those points.


Okay? That’s a good thing right? A true racist wouldn’t shy away from it. This is, if anything, arguing against your point

A true racist doesnt always declare to the world that he is in fact a racist. Racism comes in many forms.

 

[ehb5]

First off, are you a racist if it was thirty years ago you did or said something perceived as racist?

Secondly, with regard to Trump, is it possible he is just an asshole to people he doesn’t really give a damn About?

Theres a damn good chance yea. If your counterargument to the racism is...

"Yea that was me my bad...wait jk it wasnt me, i just did that some other time and got it mixed up lolllzz - im still gonna be governor though thats cool right"

Then uhh yea.

I think its true hes an asshole to people he doesnt give a damn about. He just gives more of a damn about white people.

 

[ehb5]

Really? You believe it is cruel (the definition of inhumane) to live in conditions that much of the world lives in and almost all of history?

I am not defending him. I am defending all of those you believe are beneath you because they live in squalor. You believe what Americans are blessed with is humane. Do some traveling and see the happiness of people with far less than you have. I am currently in Guyana, a country with mostly darker skinned people, and I love these people far more than almost every American I meet on the street. I love these people because they are appreciative, greatful, and genuine. They have less than me, but they bless me, and I am greatful for them.

It isn’t inhumane to live in a tent and wear a pink shirt. It isn’t inhumane to work hard in the heat. It is humbling and honorable. Do I agree with Arpaio for targeting illegals, if that is in fact what he did? Yes and no. They have no right to be in this country and they committed offenses that put them in jail beyond that. I don’t have a lot of sympathy for them.

Yes? Thats not a weird claim.

 

[ehb5]

U

you do realize these people should have easily spotted his racism if he were truly one

You know that racists dont like publicly advertise their racism right?

That actually explains a lot though. You seem to be under the impression that nobody is a racist unless they publicly declare themselves to be one. But thats not how that works.

 

[Toadman005]

@Toadman005


I have to say...for a post that was supposed to rip my argument apart this was pretty underwhelming.



Yes, and accusations are merely that. Accusations. The number of them don’t matter if none are ever proven to be true.

Yes and no. Accusations are also often more than accusations. And when there is a significant volume of credible accusations thats a massive red flag. I think thats pretty indisputable.


Successful businessman sued? Unheard of. Did he lose the case?

This counterargument doesnt apply when your being sued by the DOJ (though Im not sure its a good one even if it were somebody else suing).

He settled the case.


So? You are assuming he was pushing for their deaths because of their race(s), not because of what they were accused of, and acquitted of….and as Trump felt they were guilty, THAT was why he’d have wanted them executed. Not because of their race. Maintaining they’re guilty doesn’t make him racist either. Most everyone accepts OJ was guilty of murder and yet he was acquitted. Does believing him guilty make one racist? No? Exactly.

No, I am providing it as part of Donald Trump's past. Why was he so determined to have the death penalty without evidence?

Why when evidence showed it was not them, did he deny that?

OJ is not a similar case - these men were exonerated by DNA evidence.


Finally an example of an actual RACIST comment. And with a bear minimum of research, citing liberal/leftist leaning slopes no less, the example falls apart. That statement comes from a book written by John R. O’Donnell, a disgruntled former employee of Trump Plaza Hotel & Casino, and neither the statement nor the sentiment behind it has been corroborated elsewhere.

The argument does not fall apart. Youve shown nothing to prove that quote is false. Now of course - I showed nothing to prove it was true. But as I pointed out Trump himself said the book was probably true. And while that specific remark is not corroborated (or disputed) by any other witnesses (we dont know there were any anyways), there are many other claims from former employees and people who have known Trump of his racism.

Now sure - could they ALL be lying? I guess. But if you once again dismiss that and don't find it concerning, I think you have some questions to ask yourself.

Even if I accept that as true without a source, knowing Trump, a snarky sarcastic reply or even an answer taken out of context. Bottom line it’s still a heresy accusation that borders on libel. There is no evidence he ever said it.

I mean - I guess? Why not dismiss everything he says as a joke except the parts you like? Words matter.


And, again, that doesn’t make him a racist. If he believed, as many did, Obama was not a native born American, that has nothing to do with racism or bigotry. It was questioning wether he could, legally, be President. NOTHING TO DO WITH RACE. Are you suggesting even questioning (a relatively unknown Obama’s) background is racist?

What other reason did Trump have for pushing birtherism? Why did he leap to that conclusion? And yes, why did so many other people jump right on board and buy in without any evidence?


Again, so what? Are you someone who feels the concept of “white genocide” is a conspiracy/myth, and, inherently racist? Otherwise, Trump merely did something 99% of Twitter users has done…retweeted something he was without researching who he was retweeting or whether it was 100% accurate. As for the incorrect statistics, you’d have to provide the actual tweets and then show where they were shown to be inaccurate before I’d even begin to lend any credibility towards it as an example of racism. Like if he tweeted a meme that said “10 out of every 7 black men r*pe white women”, well, no shit, that’s fucking racist. If he retweeted something that is seemingly credible but not 100% accurate, that makes him guilty of nothing save inaccuracy.

Yeaaaaa somebody with the username whitegenocidetm is probably racist. And would you look at that a cursory search finds blatantly anti-semitic tweets from that account. Gee what a surprise.

Here is the post i was referring to.

Trump's Pants on Fire tweet that blacks killed 81% of white homicide victims

Its blatantly false. It is not seemingly credible. And if the president of the united states thinks that is credible he is either racist or extremely stupid (or both).

Source? Even if true, for argument sake, that’s still not RACISM. It’s an asshole thing to assume that just because someone’s family descended from mexico, they might be biased, but it’s not racist. Mexico is a country….not a race.

In context: Trump's racial comments about federal judge

So your argument is he's just xenophobic not racist? Thats...bold.


This is an exaggerated talking point the media purposely misconstrues to this day. It was clear Trump was referring to unvetted immigration or taking in of refugees from areas of the world where radical islam is problematic. With ANY common sense and benefit of the doubt understood he didn’t mean “all muslims”. Insisting otherwise is a LIE. It’s saying things like that that cost you credibility and make your entire list (most of which is broad accusations)

No it was not. He said "ALL MUSLIMS".

Look - when you have to explain away every statement a man makes about minorities as, "well ya see he didnt really mean what he said" thats a problem.

The man said what he said.

Okay? That makes him, what, an asshole? Not a racist.

Well, both.


And, who is that quote attributed to? Arpaio was a hard ass. But this little quote is opinion. Racial profiling, for example, on traffic stops when he was a crack down on illegals cop is “extreme”? It was also effective, but, hey don’t let that little fact get in the way. Sadistic punishments like work programs, for criminals. How terrible.

Thats fair - the quote is opinion. Though when that quote is a valid opinion of you thats....a problem.

"Oh yea who cares about a little racial profiling and infringing on peoples rights - he caught some of those dang illegals! Worth it!"


Again, rather than broadly say that, provide his actual QUOTE that “appears” to defend white supremacists. As I recall, he drew the outrage of the leftist media because he refused to condemn only one side, and his criticism of the violence of both - which was TRUE - is what chaffed progressive asses. Thats NOT RACISM. Even if Duke and Spencer etc liked it - because obviously, it benefitted them in the smallest sense, it doesn’t make Trump racist. Even if racists support Trump, doesn’t make him racist, any more than anti-whites who loved Oabama don’t reflect badly on Obama. One cannot control who does or doesn’t endorse them.

No? You're free to post his quote with full context if you like - there was nothing wrong with what I said though.

He drew the outrage of far more than leftist media.

- Tangential Sidebar -
This is a really common defense of racism and other trumpisms - "the leftists and leftist media were outraged".

Trump is extremely unpopular DESPITE a strong economy. People of many walks of life, races, and political beliefs think he's a racist and an idiot and a sexist and on and on.

For one - everybody you refer to as "leftists", as though that should be some insult, makes up a massive portion of the country.

But plenty of independents and conservatives feel the same way. Some people still care more about country than party.
- End Sidebar -

If it were just that he were supported by a few racists you'd have a point. But thats not the situation.

Instead, he frequently says things that draw their outright praise and excitement. He retweets them. He struggles to criticize them without qualifying the statement by saying something positive about them or something negative about "the other side".

Its not supposed to be hard to disavow racism. Its damn concerning that Trump struggles with it so much.


Again, so what? That isn’t racist! It’s a criticism of homicidal foreign culture invading illegally.

It is racist. Its not a homicidal foreign culture invasion. Sheesh.

It’s not. It was a list of unverified claims, skewing things to make them appear racist that are more policy issues, opinions, or examples of Trump just being crass, which again, isn’t racist.

No. It was a series of deeply concerning actions and words by Trump.

Several of them are pretty damning on their own - as a whole their completely inexcusable.


You still haven’t shown ONE thing he’s said or done that’s LEGITIMATELY racist. The 90’s book quote about blacks being lazy is the only one that would qualify, and it is a claim by someone with a vendetta who can’t substantiate it. Criticizing Obama isn’t racist. wanting secure borders isn’t racist. Backing tough cops isn’t racist. Criticizing violent white nationalists no more scathingly than violent members of BLM, antics, communists, etc isn’t racist.

Who said criticizing Obama was racist? Nice straw man ya got there.

You could want secure borders without being racist, I agree. I have a hard time saying the same about demanding a wall, presenting immigrants in the worst possible light, tearing families apart, and making things as difficult as possible for innocent people just to reach that goal.

Ahh another straw man. Backing tough cops isnt racist. Good thing thats not what I said.

Backing and pardoning racist discriminatory cops is racist. Big difference.


I’d say you can make a far greater argument he’s stupid than racist, but your argument to this point is poor, so perhaps you couldn’t.

Well I agree, the man makes a case for his own stupidity damn near every day. But that doesnt make him not racist.



Well, that was foolish, because what you’ve listed here hasn’t shown any racism. Do you know what racism is? Honest question. Like, criticism of someone of a different race isn’t racism. If you look, for example, at Trump being critical of a criminal, and the race of a criminal is a POC, and you then attribute Trump’s criticism TO that persons race, rather than them being a criminal, it’s on you….it’s not an example of racism. Seems to me you just listed a bunch of “stuff” in the hopes the appearance of many example would win you the argument, but it’s a house of cards. Basically, your list was he was once sued on grounds of racial discrimination, a guy made an unverified claim of a racist epitaph, and trump has strong opinions about criminals and border security.

Who said criticism of someone of a different race was automatically racism?

Why are you making up things to argue against?

If my arguments are so fragile then argue against them - you should have no problem. Don't lie about what they are and argue those points.


Okay? That’s a good thing right? A true racist wouldn’t shy away from it. This is, if anything, arguing against your point

A true racist doesnt always declare to the world that he is in fact a racist. Racism comes in many forms.

Can't wait to rip this bullshit apart tomorrow.

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

@Toadman005


I have to say...for a post that was supposed to rip my argument apart this was pretty underwhelming.



Yes, and accusations are merely that. Accusations. The number of them don’t matter if none are ever proven to be true.

Yes and no. Accusations are also often more than accusations. And when there is a significant volume of credible accusations thats a massive red flag. I think thats pretty indisputable.


Successful businessman sued? Unheard of. Did he lose the case?

This counterargument doesnt apply when your being sued by the DOJ (though Im not sure its a good one even if it were somebody else suing).

He settled the case.


So? You are assuming he was pushing for their deaths because of their race(s), not because of what they were accused of, and acquitted of….and as Trump felt they were guilty, THAT was why he’d have wanted them executed. Not because of their race. Maintaining they’re guilty doesn’t make him racist either. Most everyone accepts OJ was guilty of murder and yet he was acquitted. Does believing him guilty make one racist? No? Exactly.

No, I am providing it as part of Donald Trump's past. Why was he so determined to have the death penalty without evidence?

Why when evidence showed it was not them, did he deny that?

OJ is not a similar case - these men were exonerated by DNA evidence.


Finally an example of an actual RACIST comment. And with a bear minimum of research, citing liberal/leftist leaning slopes no less, the example falls apart. That statement comes from a book written by John R. O’Donnell, a disgruntled former employee of Trump Plaza Hotel & Casino, and neither the statement nor the sentiment behind it has been corroborated elsewhere.

The argument does not fall apart. Youve shown nothing to prove that quote is false. Now of course - I showed nothing to prove it was true. But as I pointed out Trump himself said the book was probably true. And while that specific remark is not corroborated (or disputed) by any other witnesses (we dont know there were any anyways), there are many other claims from former employees and people who have known Trump of his racism.

Now sure - could they ALL be lying? I guess. But if you once again dismiss that and don't find it concerning, I think you have some questions to ask yourself.

Even if I accept that as true without a source, knowing Trump, a snarky sarcastic reply or even an answer taken out of context. Bottom line it’s still a heresy accusation that borders on libel. There is no evidence he ever said it.

I mean - I guess? Why not dismiss everything he says as a joke except the parts you like? Words matter.


And, again, that doesn’t make him a racist. If he believed, as many did, Obama was not a native born American, that has nothing to do with racism or bigotry. It was questioning wether he could, legally, be President. NOTHING TO DO WITH RACE. Are you suggesting even questioning (a relatively unknown Obama’s) background is racist?

What other reason did Trump have for pushing birtherism? Why did he leap to that conclusion? And yes, why did so many other people jump right on board and buy in without any evidence?


Again, so what? Are you someone who feels the concept of “white genocide” is a conspiracy/myth, and, inherently racist? Otherwise, Trump merely did something 99% of Twitter users has done…retweeted something he was without researching who he was retweeting or whether it was 100% accurate. As for the incorrect statistics, you’d have to provide the actual tweets and then show where they were shown to be inaccurate before I’d even begin to lend any credibility towards it as an example of racism. Like if he tweeted a meme that said “10 out of every 7 black men r*pe white women”, well, no shit, that’s fucking racist. If he retweeted something that is seemingly credible but not 100% accurate, that makes him guilty of nothing save inaccuracy.

Yeaaaaa somebody with the username whitegenocidetm is probably racist. And would you look at that a cursory search finds blatantly anti-semitic tweets from that account. Gee what a surprise.

Here is the post i was referring to.

Trump's Pants on Fire tweet that blacks killed 81% of white homicide victims

Its blatantly false. It is not seemingly credible. And if the president of the united states thinks that is credible he is either racist or extremely stupid (or both).

Source? Even if true, for argument sake, that’s still not RACISM. It’s an asshole thing to assume that just because someone’s family descended from mexico, they might be biased, but it’s not racist. Mexico is a country….not a race.

In context: Trump's racial comments about federal judge

So your argument is he's just xenophobic not racist? Thats...bold.


This is an exaggerated talking point the media purposely misconstrues to this day. It was clear Trump was referring to unvetted immigration or taking in of refugees from areas of the world where radical islam is problematic. With ANY common sense and benefit of the doubt understood he didn’t mean “all muslims”. Insisting otherwise is a LIE. It’s saying things like that that cost you credibility and make your entire list (most of which is broad accusations)

No it was not. He said "ALL MUSLIMS".

Look - when you have to explain away every statement a man makes about minorities as, "well ya see he didnt really mean what he said" thats a problem.

The man said what he said.

Okay? That makes him, what, an asshole? Not a racist.

Well, both.


And, who is that quote attributed to? Arpaio was a hard ass. But this little quote is opinion. Racial profiling, for example, on traffic stops when he was a crack down on illegals cop is “extreme”? It was also effective, but, hey don’t let that little fact get in the way. Sadistic punishments like work programs, for criminals. How terrible.

Thats fair - the quote is opinion. Though when that quote is a valid opinion of you thats....a problem.

"Oh yea who cares about a little racial profiling and infringing on peoples rights - he caught some of those dang illegals! Worth it!"


Again, rather than broadly say that, provide his actual QUOTE that “appears” to defend white supremacists. As I recall, he drew the outrage of the leftist media because he refused to condemn only one side, and his criticism of the violence of both - which was TRUE - is what chaffed progressive asses. Thats NOT RACISM. Even if Duke and Spencer etc liked it - because obviously, it benefitted them in the smallest sense, it doesn’t make Trump racist. Even if racists support Trump, doesn’t make him racist, any more than anti-whites who loved Oabama don’t reflect badly on Obama. One cannot control who does or doesn’t endorse them.

No? You're free to post his quote with full context if you like - there was nothing wrong with what I said though.

He drew the outrage of far more than leftist media.

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This is a really common defense of racism and other trumpisms - "the leftists and leftist media were outraged".

Trump is extremely unpopular DESPITE a strong economy. People of many walks of life, races, and political beliefs think he's a racist and an idiot and a sexist and on and on.

For one - everybody you refer to as "leftists", as though that should be some insult, makes up a massive portion of the country.

But plenty of independents and conservatives feel the same way. Some people still care more about country than party.
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If it were just that he were supported by a few racists you'd have a point. But thats not the situation.

Instead, he frequently says things that draw their outright praise and excitement. He retweets them. He struggles to criticize them without qualifying the statement by saying something positive about them or something negative about "the other side".

Its not supposed to be hard to disavow racism. Its damn concerning that Trump struggles with it so much.


Again, so what? That isn’t racist! It’s a criticism of homicidal foreign culture invading illegally.

It is racist. Its not a homicidal foreign culture invasion. Sheesh.

It’s not. It was a list of unverified claims, skewing things to make them appear racist that are more policy issues, opinions, or examples of Trump just being crass, which again, isn’t racist.

No. It was a series of deeply concerning actions and words by Trump.

Several of them are pretty damning on their own - as a whole their completely inexcusable.


You still haven’t shown ONE thing he’s said or done that’s LEGITIMATELY racist. The 90’s book quote about blacks being lazy is the only one that would qualify, and it is a claim by someone with a vendetta who can’t substantiate it. Criticizing Obama isn’t racist. wanting secure borders isn’t racist. Backing tough cops isn’t racist. Criticizing violent white nationalists no more scathingly than violent members of BLM, antics, communists, etc isn’t racist.

Who said criticizing Obama was racist? Nice straw man ya got there.

You could want secure borders without being racist, I agree. I have a hard time saying the same about demanding a wall, presenting immigrants in the worst possible light, tearing families apart, and making things as difficult as possible for innocent people just to reach that goal.

Ahh another straw man. Backing tough cops isnt racist. Good thing thats not what I said.

Backing and pardoning racist discriminatory cops is racist. Big difference.


I’d say you can make a far greater argument he’s stupid than racist, but your argument to this point is poor, so perhaps you couldn’t.

Well I agree, the man makes a case for his own stupidity damn near every day. But that doesnt make him not racist.



Well, that was foolish, because what you’ve listed here hasn’t shown any racism. Do you know what racism is? Honest question. Like, criticism of someone of a different race isn’t racism. If you look, for example, at Trump being critical of a criminal, and the race of a criminal is a POC, and you then attribute Trump’s criticism TO that persons race, rather than them being a criminal, it’s on you….it’s not an example of racism. Seems to me you just listed a bunch of “stuff” in the hopes the appearance of many example would win you the argument, but it’s a house of cards. Basically, your list was he was once sued on grounds of racial discrimination, a guy made an unverified claim of a racist epitaph, and trump has strong opinions about criminals and border security.

Who said criticism of someone of a different race was automatically racism?

Why are you making up things to argue against?

If my arguments are so fragile then argue against them - you should have no problem. Don't lie about what they are and argue those points.


Okay? That’s a good thing right? A true racist wouldn’t shy away from it. This is, if anything, arguing against your point

A true racist doesnt always declare to the world that he is in fact a racist. Racism comes in many forms.

There is far more racism being perpetrated upon whites right now, and it's not only happening, it's being encouraged, by academia, by Hollywood, by the MSM, by Antifa and BLM and other far Leftist Fascist groups and by the Democrat Party as well.

 

[ehb5]

I wonder , should I buy this poll that serves my purpose or should I take it with a grain of salt as I do with ALL. Polls ? Ebb care to give me s hand ? ( i say it’s crap )

Yes? This is easy dude, you shouldnt need my help.

Weird that it serves "your purpose" though.

 

[ehb5]

Can't wait to rip this bullshit apart tomorrow.

You might wanna rip my original post apart first.

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

You know that racists dont like publicly advertise their racism right?

That actually explains a lot though. You seem to be under the impression that nobody is a racist unless they publicly declare themselves to be one. But thats not how that works.

Maybe if you simply opened your eyes and recognized the racism on the left, you would see how blatantly they advertise their racism.

 

[ehb5]

There is far more racism being perpetrated upon whites right now, and it's not only happening, it's being encouraged, by academia, by Hollywood, by the MSM, by Antifa and BLM and other far Leftist Fascist groups and by the Democrat Party as well.

Oh yes, poor white people.

Such a struggle it is.

Good lord.

 

[Toadman005]

You might wanna rip my original post apart first.

Already did. You didn't cite one single credible example.

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

Oh yes, poor white people.

Such a struggle it is.

Good lord.

I can sense your racism oozing out of your posts.


IF, and that is a big IF, but IF certain white people have privilege, first of all I would confirm whether or not they are in fact Jewish and not white.

Ask any Jew and they will tell you that they are not white.



If they are not Jewish, then my next guess is they EARNED IT, or their parents or grandparents EARNED IT through hard work or high intelligence or high creative ability, etc..

Because, despite whites having a higher average IQ than blacks or Hispanics in this country and throughout the world, that is only AN AVERAGE, so that means there are still lots of whites with lower IQs than some of their black and Hispanic counterparts, YET, whites are still held to a higher standard when it comes to getting into college and in some cases when trying to get a job, too, because of racial quotas. There are a lot of poor white people out there who have no clue what this "white privilege" thing is you are talking about.


But if there is any "white privilege", it is simply that whites, in general, are far less likely to take on any kind of victim mentality.

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

Oh yes, poor white people.

Such a struggle it is.

Good lord.

My guess is you are not white. But if you are, I dare you to go to South Africa and see how far your white privilege gets you.

 

[gkekoa]

Theres a damn good chance yea. If your counterargument to the racism is...

"Yea that was me my bad...wait jk it wasnt me, i just did that some other time and got it mixed up lolllzz - im still gonna be governor though thats cool right"

Then uhh yea.

I think its true hes an asshole to people he doesnt give a damn about. He just gives more of a damn about white people.

So what has the guy in VA done in the last twenty years that is racist?

Oh Trump is definitely as asshole. You are mistaken about him caring more about white people though. He cares about himself, maybe his family, and not so much about others. Even if he did care more about white people, that doesn’t make him racist. A racist believes a race is inferior...it isn’t about caring.

 

[gkekoa]

Yes? Thats not a weird claim.

Which part? Be specific.

 

[Skins2021]

WATCH: Nick Sandmann's lawyer releases powerful video showing truth behind the Covington controversy

Just want to get Trump out of office ! Very telling . Don’t care who you smear just get him out .

This needs to continue to get attention.

What a joke. Basically sums up what is wrong