politics thread

[gkekoa]

I think what's listed there is inhumane regardless of whether humans somewhere in the world live in worse conditions. If you wanna defend him go for it but I think it's pretty clear he did what he could to make a specific group of peoples lives hell. And for that Trump pardoned him.

Really? You believe it is cruel (the definition of inhumane) to live in conditions that much of the world lives in and almost all of history?

I am not defending him. I am defending all of those you believe are beneath you because they live in squalor. You believe what Americans are blessed with is humane. Do some traveling and see the happiness of people with far less than you have. I am currently in Guyana, a country with mostly darker skinned people, and I love these people far more than almost every American I meet on the street. I love these people because they are appreciative, greatful, and genuine. They have less than me, but they bless me, and I am greatful for them.

It isn’t inhumane to live in a tent and wear a pink shirt. It isn’t inhumane to work hard in the heat. It is humbling and honorable. Do I agree with Arpaio for targeting illegals, if that is in fact what he did? Yes and no. They have no right to be in this country and they committed offenses that put them in jail beyond that. I don’t have a lot of sympathy for them.

 

[Toadman005]

The people giving the awards are political animals more concerned with making things better for themselves in most cases. Look I get WHY you feel you have to defend him at this point. Because to admit he is a racist you either have to admit you support a racist, or stop supporting him.

Wrong all around.

 

[gkekoa]

So new question...

How many of you abortion rights activists believe in the new new laws being enacted by the likes of NY with abortion being legal up until birth?

How many believe in the new liberal idea of abortion after birth?

 

[reptec101]

Second time on since early December and I see nobody is changing minds or agreeing with anyone who sees things differently. I'll just say this.

.Anyone who thinks a person is a rapist today for feeling up a girl in high school 30 plus years ago... is an idiot.
.Anyone who thinks a person is a racist for a ill advised costume from 1984 or even at anytime from 2 years back... is an idiot.
.Anyone who thinks killing a newborn after birth is OK... is a despicable human being.
.Anyone who thinks wanting a wall under one prez but then "not" wanting it from another is OK ... is a political pawn following fool.
.Anyone who believes their network of choice is speaking only truths... is an idiot.
.Anyone condemning whites of today for slave ownership of yesterday... are they themselves racist.
.Anyone who thinks MAGA slogan was intended for whites only... is an idiot beyond definition.
.Anyone who thinks white police officers wake up wanting to kill blacks, or really anyone... is an idiot.
.Anyone who thinks the N word is only a despicable word if spoken by a white man only... is an idiot (imo)
.Anyone who thinks rap has not hurt the black population in society (in some degree)and blames whites for all their ills... is probably a racist.
.Anyone who thinks white privilege is not real in todays world in some degree... probably shouldn't be taken serious.
.Anyone who puts all their money on one political party and the world as they see it... is an idiot.
.Anyone who thinks religion is not the reason for 90 percent of the worlds troubles... Is blinded by faith and a threat to mankind.... oops.. people kind.
.Anyone who is offended by everything simply because it's the flavor of the day... is a scary non thinking person.

Listen, I don't expect anyone to see the world my way or me changing any ones views on anything. I'm sure some of you will even think anyone who post a list like this... is an idiot. It's all good,, not offended.

 

[Toadman005]

So new question...

How many of you abortion rights activists believe in the new new laws being enacted by the likes of NY with abortion being legal up until birth?

How many believe in the new liberal idea of abortion after birth?

Abortion...after birth?

You mean, literal definition murder?

 

[Skins2021]

See it's really simple...

Racism is disgusting. People like northam and Trump are disgusting. They deserve to be called out on their bullshit and shamed for it.

It's weird how some of you only have a problem with racism when it's from one side...

dont throw rocks at crack houses

 

[Toadman005]

OK, my long awaited return lol

Unlike some on here claim, Trump has been accused of racism for YEARS.

In the 70s he was sued for racial discrimination by the DOJ

1973 | Meet Donald Trump

In the 80s he pushed for the death penalty for 4 black men and a hispanic man who turned out to be wrongly accused and convicted. In 2016 when Trump was running for president years after the conviction was overturned he STILL claimed they were guilty.

In the 90s he was quoted in a book as saying that he hates that he has black accountants and that "laziness is a trait in blacks".

When asked about the book years later he said it was probably true. Years after THAT he denied ever saying it.

In the 2000s trump was heavily involved in pushing the birther movement which argued obama was not actually born in the US. He continued this conspiracy theory for years in spite of the evidence to the contrary (a theme with trump) and it took until 2016 for him to finally admit that obama was born in the us - though i dont know that he believes it).

Trump has retweeted the twitter account @whitegenocideTM twice. He has also retweeted images showing blatantly incorrect statistics about black on white violence and has retweeted at least 75 tweets from users associated with the #whitegenocide movement.

While running for president trump claimed a judges couldnt be trusted to hear his case because he was of mexican heritage and claimed that we should ban all muslims from entering the us

When asked by a black reporter if he would meet with the congressional black caucus he responded asking if the reporter would setup the meeting. She clarified that she was a reporter, and he then asked her if they were friends of hers.

As president he pardoned joe arpaio who as sheriff, used "extreme racial profiling and sadistic punishments that involved the torture, humiliation, and degradation of Latino inmates"

After the charlottesville rally he made several questionable comments that appear to defend the white supremacists and earned him praise from the KKKs david duke.

Trump also backed an ad that was later pulled by even fox news during the 2018 midterms that suggested an undocumented immigrant who killed several policeman was representative of the migrants currently immigrating.

I think thats a pretty damning list. Sorry but...you dont constantly do and say all those things if you arent racist. The best argument for him not being racist is that hes simply really freaking stupid and ignorant which...thats not great for the president either...

And I left things out for crying out loud. There are MORE things that could be on here.

Despite this trump claims he is "the least racist person".

OK, my long awaited return lol



Unlike some on here claim, Trump has been accused of racism for YEARS.



Yes, and accusations are merely that. Accusations. The number of them don’t matter if none are ever proven to be true.



In the 70s he was sued for racial discrimination by the DOJ



Successful businessman sued? Unheard of. Did he lose the case?



In the 80s he pushed for the death penalty for 4 black men and a hispanic man who turned out to be wrongly accused and convicted. In 2016 when Trump was running for president years after the conviction was overturned he STILL claimed they were guilty.



So? You are assuming he was pushing for their deaths because of their race(s), not because of what they were accused of, and acquitted of….and as Trump felt they were guilty, THAT was why he’d have wanted them executed. Not because of their race. Maintaining they’re guilty doesn’t make him racist either. Most everyone accepts OJ was guilty of murder and yet he was acquitted. Does believing him guilty make one racist? No? Exactly.



In the 90s he was quoted in a book as saying that he hates that he has black accountants and that "laziness is a trait in blacks".



Finally an example of an actual RACIST comment. And with a bear minimum of research, citing liberal/leftist leaning slopes no less, the example falls apart. That statement comes from a book written by John R. O’Donnell, a disgruntled former employee of Trump Plaza Hotel & Casino, and neither the statement nor the sentiment behind it has been corroborated elsewhere.



When asked about the book years later he said it was probably true. Years after THAT he denied ever saying it.



Even if I accept that as true without a source, knowing Trump, a snarky sarcastic reply or even an answer taken out of context. Bottom line it’s still a heresy accusation that borders on libel. There is no evidence he ever said it.



In the 2000s trump was heavily involved in pushing the birther movement which argued obama was not actually born in the US. He continued this conspiracy theory for years in spite of the evidence to the contrary (a theme with trump) and it took until 2016 for him to finally admit that obama was born in the us - though i dont know that he believes it).



And, again, that doesn’t make him a racist. If he believed, as many did, Obama was not a native born American, that has nothing to do with racism or bigotry. It was questioning wether he could, legally, be President. NOTHING TO DO WITH RACE. Are you suggesting even questioning (a relatively unknown Obama’s) background is racist?



Trump has retweeted the twitter account @whitegenocideTM twice. He has also retweeted images showing blatantly incorrect statistics about black on white violence and has retweeted at least 75 tweets from users associated with the #whitegenocide movement.



Again, so what? Are you someone who feels the concept of “white genocide” is a conspiracy/myth, and, inherently racist? Otherwise, Trump merely did something 99% of Twitter users has done…retweeted something he was without researching who he was retweeting or whether it was 100% accurate. As for the incorrect statistics, you’d have to provide the actual tweets and then show where they were shown to be inaccurate before I’d even begin to lend any credibility towards it as an example of racism. Like if he tweeted a meme that said “10 out of every 7 black men r*pe white women”, well, no shit, that’s fucking racist. If he retweeted something that is seemingly credible but not 100% accurate, that makes him guilty of nothing save inaccuracy.



While running for president trump claimed a judges couldnt be trusted to hear his case because he was of mexican heritage



Source? Even if true, for argument sake, that’s still not RACISM. It’s an asshole thing to assume that just because someone’s family descended from mexico, they might be biased, but it’s not racist. Mexico is a country….not a race.



and claimed that we should ban all muslims from entering the us



This is an exaggerated talking point the media purposely misconstrues to this day. It was clear Trump was referring to unvetted immigration or taking in of refugees from areas of the world where radical islam is problematic. With ANY common sense and benefit of the doubt understood he didn’t mean “all muslims”. Insisting otherwise is a LIE. It’s saying things like that that cost you credibility and make your entire list (most of which is broad accusations)



When asked by a black reporter if he would meet with the congressional black caucus he responded asking if the reporter would setup the meeting. She clarified that she was a reporter, and he then asked her if they were friends of hers.



Okay? That makes him, what, an asshole? Not a racist.



As president he pardoned joe arpaio who as sheriff, used "extreme racial profiling and sadistic punishments that involved the torture, humiliation, and degradation of Latino inmates"



And, who is that quote attributed to? Arpaio was a hard ass. But this little quote is opinion. Racial profiling, for example, on traffic stops when he was a crack down on illegals cop is “extreme”? It was also effective, but, hey don’t let that little fact get in the way. Sadistic punishments like work programs, for criminals. How terrible.



After the charlottesville rally he made several questionable comments that appear to defend the white supremacists and earned him praise from the KKKs david duke.



Again, rather than broadly say that, provide his actual QUOTE that “appears” to defend white supremacists. As I recall, he drew the outrage of the leftist media because he refused to condemn only one side, and his criticism of the violence of both - which was TRUE - is what chaffed progressive asses. Thats NOT RACISM. Even if Duke and Spencer etc liked it - because obviously, it benefitted them in the smallest sense, it doesn’t make Trump racist. Even if racists support Trump, doesn’t make him racist, any more than anti-whites who loved Oabama don’t reflect badly on Obama. One cannot control who does or doesn’t endorse them.



Trump also backed an ad that was later pulled by even fox news during the 2018 midterms that suggested an undocumented immigrant who killed several policeman was representative of the migrants currently immigrating.



Again, so what? That isn’t racist! It’s a criticism of homicidal foreign culture invading illegally.



I think thats a pretty damning list.



It’s not. It was a list of unverified claims, skewing things to make them appear racist that are more policy issues, opinions, or examples of Trump just being crass, which again, isn’t racist.



Sorry but...you dont constantly do and say all those things if you arent racist.



You still haven’t shown ONE thing he’s said or done that’s LEGITIMATELY racist. The 90’s book quote about blacks being lazy is the only one that would qualify, and it is a claim by someone with a vendetta who can’t substantiate it. Criticizing Obama isn’t racist. wanting secure borders isn’t racist. Backing tough cops isn’t racist. Criticizing violent white nationalists no more scathingly than violent members of BLM, antics, communists, etc isn’t racist.





The best argument for him not being racist is that hes simply really freaking stupid and ignorant which...thats not great for the president either...



I’d say you can make a far greater argument he’s stupid than racist, but your argument to this point is poor, so perhaps you couldn’t.



And I left things out for crying out loud. There are MORE things that could be on here.



Well, that was foolish, because what you’ve listed here hasn’t shown any racism. Do you know what racism is? Honest question. Like, criticism of someone of a different race isn’t racism. If you look, for example, at Trump being critical of a criminal, and the race of a criminal is a POC, and you then attribute Trump’s criticism TO that persons race, rather than them being a criminal, it’s on you….it’s not an example of racism. Seems to me you just listed a bunch of “stuff” in the hopes the appearance of many example would win you the argument, but it’s a house of cards. Basically, your list was he was once sued on grounds of racial discrimination, a guy made an unverified claim of a racist epitaph, and trump has strong opinions about criminals and border security.



Despite this trump claims he is "the least racist person".



Okay? That’s a good thing right? A true racist wouldn’t shy away from it. This is, if anything, arguing against your point.

 

[gkekoa]

Abortion...after birth?

You mean, literal definition murder?

No no no...haven’t you heard the new liberal push? It isn’t murder. It is simply abortion and you shouldn’t take away a woman’s rights to abortion.

 

[reptec101]

OK, my long awaited return lol



Unlike some on here claim, Trump has been accused of racism for YEARS.



Yes, and accusations are merely that. Accusations. The number of them don’t matter if none are ever proven to be true.



In the 70s he was sued for racial discrimination by the DOJ



Successful businessman sued? Unheard of. Did he lose the case?



In the 80s he pushed for the death penalty for 4 black men and a hispanic man who turned out to be wrongly accused and convicted. In 2016 when Trump was running for president years after the conviction was overturned he STILL claimed they were guilty.



So? You are assuming he was pushing for their deaths because of their race(s), not because of what they were accused of, and acquitted of….and as Trump felt they were guilty, THAT was why he’d have wanted them executed. Not because of their race. Maintaining they’re guilty doesn’t make him racist either. Most everyone accepts OJ was guilty of murder and yet he was acquitted. Does believing him guilty make one racist? No? Exactly.



In the 90s he was quoted in a book as saying that he hates that he has black accountants and that "laziness is a trait in blacks".



Finally an example of an actual RACIST comment. And with a bear minimum of research, citing liberal/leftist leaning slopes no less, the example falls apart. That statement comes from a book written by John R. O’Donnell, a disgruntled former employee of Trump Plaza Hotel & Casino, and neither the statement nor the sentiment behind it has been corroborated elsewhere.



When asked about the book years later he said it was probably true. Years after THAT he denied ever saying it.



Even if I accept that as true without a source, knowing Trump, a snarky sarcastic reply or even an answer taken out of context. Bottom line it’s still a heresy accusation that borders on libel. There is no evidence he ever said it.



In the 2000s trump was heavily involved in pushing the birther movement which argued obama was not actually born in the US. He continued this conspiracy theory for years in spite of the evidence to the contrary (a theme with trump) and it took until 2016 for him to finally admit that obama was born in the us - though i dont know that he believes it).



And, again, that doesn’t make him a racist. If he believed, as many did, Obama was not a native born American, that has nothing to do with racism or bigotry. It was questioning wether he could, legally, be President. NOTHING TO DO WITH RACE. Are you suggesting even questioning (a relatively unknown Obama’s) background is racist?



Trump has retweeted the twitter account @whitegenocideTM twice. He has also retweeted images showing blatantly incorrect statistics about black on white violence and has retweeted at least 75 tweets from users associated with the #whitegenocide movement.



Again, so what? Are you someone who feels the concept of “white genocide” is a conspiracy/myth, and, inherently racist? Otherwise, Trump merely did something 99% of Twitter users has done…retweeted something he was without researching who he was retweeting or whether it was 100% accurate. As for the incorrect statistics, you’d have to provide the actual tweets and then show where they were shown to be inaccurate before I’d even begin to lend any credibility towards it as an example of racism. Like if he tweeted a meme that said “10 out of every 7 black men r*pe white women”, well, no shit, that’s fucking racist. If he retweeted something that is seemingly credible but not 100% accurate, that makes him guilty of nothing save inaccuracy.



While running for president trump claimed a judges couldnt be trusted to hear his case because he was of mexican heritage



Source? Even if true, for argument sake, that’s still not RACISM. It’s an asshole thing to assume that just because someone’s family descended from mexico, they might be biased, but it’s not racist. Mexico is a country….not a race.



and claimed that we should ban all muslims from entering the us



This is an exaggerated talking point the media purposely misconstrues to this day. It was clear Trump was referring to unvetted immigration or taking in of refugees from areas of the world where radical islam is problematic. With ANY common sense and benefit of the doubt understood he didn’t mean “all muslims”. Insisting otherwise is a LIE. It’s saying things like that that cost you credibility and make your entire list (most of which is broad accusations)



When asked by a black reporter if he would meet with the congressional black caucus he responded asking if the reporter would setup the meeting. She clarified that she was a reporter, and he then asked her if they were friends of hers.



Okay? That makes him, what, an asshole? Not a racist.



As president he pardoned joe arpaio who as sheriff, used "extreme racial profiling and sadistic punishments that involved the torture, humiliation, and degradation of Latino inmates"



And, who is that quote attributed to? Arpaio was a hard ass. But this little quote is opinion. Racial profiling, for example, on traffic stops when he was a crack down on illegals cop is “extreme”? It was also effective, but, hey don’t let that little fact get in the way. Sadistic punishments like work programs, for criminals. How terrible.



After the charlottesville rally he made several questionable comments that appear to defend the white supremacists and earned him praise from the KKKs david duke.



Again, rather than broadly say that, provide his actual QUOTE that “appears” to defend white supremacists. As I recall, he drew the outrage of the leftist media because he refused to condemn only one side, and his criticism of the violence of both - which was TRUE - is what chaffed progressive asses. Thats NOT RACISM. Even if Duke and Spencer etc liked it - because obviously, it benefitted them in the smallest sense, it doesn’t make Trump racist. Even if racists support Trump, doesn’t make him racist, any more than anti-whites who loved Oabama don’t reflect badly on Obama. One cannot control who does or doesn’t endorse them.



Trump also backed an ad that was later pulled by even fox news during the 2018 midterms that suggested an undocumented immigrant who killed several policeman was representative of the migrants currently immigrating.



Again, so what? That isn’t racist! It’s a criticism of homicidal foreign culture invading illegally.



I think thats a pretty damning list.



It’s not. It was a list of unverified claims, skewing things to make them appear racist that are more policy issues, opinions, or examples of Trump just being crass, which again, isn’t racist.



Sorry but...you dont constantly do and say all those things if you arent racist.



You still haven’t shown ONE thing he’s said or done that’s LEGITIMATELY racist. The 90’s book quote about blacks being lazy is the only one that would qualify, and it is a claim by someone with a vendetta who can’t substantiate it. Criticizing Obama isn’t racist. wanting secure borders isn’t racist. Backing tough cops isn’t racist. Criticizing violent white nationalists no more scathingly than violent members of BLM, antics, communists, etc isn’t racist.





The best argument for him not being racist is that hes simply really freaking stupid and ignorant which...thats not great for the president either...



I’d say you can make a far greater argument he’s stupid than racist, but your argument to this point is poor, so perhaps you couldn’t.



And I left things out for crying out loud. There are MORE things that could be on here.



Well, that was foolish, because what you’ve listed here hasn’t shown any racism. Do you know what racism is? Honest question. Like, criticism of someone of a different race isn’t racism. If you look, for example, at Trump being critical of a criminal, and the race of a criminal is a POC, and you then attribute Trump’s criticism TO that persons race, rather than them being a criminal, it’s on you….it’s not an example of racism. Seems to me you just listed a bunch of “stuff” in the hopes the appearance of many example would win you the argument, but it’s a house of cards. Basically, your list was he was once sued on grounds of racial discrimination, a guy made an unverified claim of a racist epitaph, and trump has strong opinions about criminals and border security.



Despite this trump claims he is "the least racist person".



Okay? That’s a good thing right? A true racist wouldn’t shy away from it. This is, if anything, arguing against your point.

All good points Toadman. A racist to me is somebody who doesn't like an entire race, and not just a few certain individuals. I have never seen any blatant racist intent shed by President Trump. He has said some ill advised things such as 'people crossing the borders are rapist and killers.' Anyone who literally thought he meant every single person when he was running for prez... well,, is an idiot imo who just wants to believe it true no matter the truth. No president is gonna satisfy everyone, but the unfair treatment that this president endures daily is by far the most of all presidents before combined... and he's still kicking ass. Good luck with the 20 plus dem candidates running in 2020 cuz each one has shed their ugly (and sometimes idiotic) colors as well.

 

[Toadman005]

No no no...haven’t you heard the new liberal push? It isn’t murder. It is simply abortion and you shouldn’t take away a woman’s rights to abortion.

When my wife brought this up last night, I laughed and actually was an asshole to her, because I thought she was completely full of shit and it was a misunderstanding that there were laws passed recently that allows late term abortion all the way up to dialysis. The fact that it was genuinely being talked about, the killing of a baby post birth astounds me! It is literal definition murder! That anyone would seriously entertain a discussion otherwise is truly unthinkable!!!

 

[gkekoa]

When my wife brought this up last night, I laughed and actually was an asshole to her, because I thought she was completely full of shit and it was a misunderstanding that there were laws passed recently that allows late term abortion all the way up to dialysis. The fact that it was genuinely being talked about, the killing of a baby post birth astounds me! It is literal definition murder! That anyone would seriously entertain a discussion otherwise is truly unthinkable!!!

I completely agree. It will not pass the litmus test of any person with actual power though, because it goes against every argument ever made for abortion rights. Hell, I hope they push to allow it and show their true colors. Hell, I hope they push to allow abortions up until 18.

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

Tunnels trump walls, so it's a waste to build them when your second move is to figure out ways that stop people from getting by them. We already have structures in place and they aren't working, why more of the same? address the reasons why they aren't working, and you'll find that new ones aren't necessary. New walls in 2019 is a complete waste of money.

Are you not aware that they have technology that can detect tunnels?

 

[ehb5]

here are some more

You do realize that all of those things can be done by a racist right?

 

[skinsdad62]

U

You do realize that all of those things can be done by a racist right?

you do realize these people should have easily spotted his racism if he were truly one

 

[skinsdad62]

MS -13. The group we shouldn’t worry about , just let illegals come on through

 

[skinsdad62]

WATCH: Nick Sandmann's lawyer releases powerful video showing truth behind the Covington controversy

Just want to get Trump out of office ! Very telling . Don’t care who you smear just get him out .

 

[skinsdad62]

I wonder , should I buy this poll that serves my purpose or should I take it with a grain of salt as I do with ALL. Polls ? Ebb care to give me s hand ? ( i say it’s crap )

 

[skinsdad62]

Interesting standard by the MSM

 

[skinsdad62]

So Wash Post, NBC, New Yorker, etc all ran allegations against Kavanaugh w/out evidence or witnesses but this is why the Post didn’t run the Justin Fairfax story: “Fairfax and the woman told different versions of what happened in the hotel room with no one else present...”

 

[Toadman005]

WATCH: Nick Sandmann's lawyer releases powerful video showing truth behind the Covington controversy

Just want to get Trump out of office ! Very telling . Don’t care who you smear just get him out .

Perfect video.

Sadly....America is fucked.