politics thread

[gkekoa]

And this right here is why IM against new structures of any kind. Because many of you have shown a willingness and probably a hope to escalate to the next level and start killing people. Because is YOUR country damn it, and if you cant keep it the way you want, you are willing to kill people to try.

Let’s see...should we have defeated the NAZIs, because they tried to change Germany? If the country is changing into what you don’t want because you are opening your borders to anybody who crosses, you stop the crossings.

The two bombs we dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki probably saved lives in the long run. Over 7000 bodies have been recovered on our side of the border through immigrants dying. How many more do you think are on the other side. If a couple people were to die over an illegal crossing (unwanted entry is invasion), wouldn’t it save lives in the long run?

Oh...this is OUR country. Not THEIRS. We are here legally; they are not.

 

[gkekoa]

I'm for existing structures because they present us with having to fix why they don't work. New ones merely creates more of the same issues. I know that you get this, so stop twisting what I'm clearly stating to fit some nonsensical narrative.

With drones we wouldn't have to man the entire border but just enough to respond to spaces along the border. The drones or electronic fences sends the alert and a team responds to that alert. simple. Your killing comment isn't worth responding to.

Except the data says they do work. Dad has been posting it continuously.

With drones plus a wall, we can actually apprehend those crossing illegally because the wall will slow their crossing dramatically if they try to scale it. It will create a choke point if they attempt to go around.

I know it isn’t...but it would be effective.

 

[gkekoa]

NOt really

Virginia newspaper calls for Northam to resign

“Leaders are called to a higher standard, and the stain of racism should have no place in the halls of government. The Governor of Virginia should step aside so the public can heal and move forward together,” tweeted Sen. Kamala Harris (D-Calif.), one of two African-Americans running for president in 2020.

Left pressures Ralph Northam to resign after blackface, KKK picture


I havent found a single defender of him in fact. BUt lots from the "Left" urging him to resign

Well, I will defend his past. It was nearly forty years ago. How many on here have changed their views in forty years?

This is also nothing like Kavanaugh because there was ZERO evidence on Kavanaugh.

 

[eaglesnut]

So even the CIA's and Amazon's newspaper is sick of the Democrat's games.

The truth is, the vast majority of Republicans are ready to make this deal, and are ready to provide a route for the dreamers. But Democratic leaders are not ready to make this or any deal. Sure, the Democrats have voiced support and cast votes for border security in the form of physical barriers in the past, but they won’t do so now because of their hatred of the president of the United States.

Hate is bad that way; it clouds your judgment. As former senator Alan Simpson said at the funeral for former president George H.W. Bush, “Hatred corrodes the container it’s carried in.” That’s the predicament that Democratic leaders find themselves in now. They hate President Trump so much that they cannot behave in a rational manner.

 

[Rowdy]

This week Dems tried to remove God from witness oaths, advocated killing babies after they’re born, voted to give sexual predators a taxpayer funded pay raise, & attempted to give fed govt massive power over all Americans’ free speech. And that was all before Friday.

Also, stated that the world will end in twelve years if we don’t quit using fossil fuels, 70 to 90% tax increase on businesses. Like I’ve said total proof liberalism is a mental disorder

 

[Sharkinva]

Let’s see...should we have defeated the NAZIs, because they tried to change Germany? If the country is changing into what you don’t want because you are opening your borders to anybody who crosses, you stop the crossings.

The two bombs we dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki probably saved lives in the long run. Over 7000 bodies have been recovered on our side of the border through immigrants dying. How many more do you think are on the other side. If a couple people were to die over an illegal crossing (unwanted entry is invasion), wouldn’t it save lives in the long run?

Oh...this is OUR country. Not THEIRS. We are here legally; they are not.

Fact.. we did not bother with Hitler as a country or as the world community until after he went all kill all Jews world wide and take over the world. So you will forgive me if I dont think following in those particular footsteps is a prudent move.

 

[ehb5]

Sigh.

The problem is people "choosing" their truths. Not taking the truth and forming an opinion, but selecting what is and isn't fact.

But again, lets unpack it. Cite your evidence/proof/examples.

OK, my long awaited return lol

Unlike some on here claim, Trump has been accused of racism for YEARS.

In the 70s he was sued for racial discrimination by the DOJ

1973 | Meet Donald Trump

In the 80s he pushed for the death penalty for 4 black men and a hispanic man who turned out to be wrongly accused and convicted. In 2016 when Trump was running for president years after the conviction was overturned he STILL claimed they were guilty.

In the 90s he was quoted in a book as saying that he hates that he has black accountants and that "laziness is a trait in blacks".

When asked about the book years later he said it was probably true. Years after THAT he denied ever saying it.

In the 2000s trump was heavily involved in pushing the birther movement which argued obama was not actually born in the US. He continued this conspiracy theory for years in spite of the evidence to the contrary (a theme with trump) and it took until 2016 for him to finally admit that obama was born in the us - though i dont know that he believes it).

Trump has retweeted the twitter account @whitegenocideTM twice. He has also retweeted images showing blatantly incorrect statistics about black on white violence and has retweeted at least 75 tweets from users associated with the #whitegenocide movement.

While running for president trump claimed a judges couldnt be trusted to hear his case because he was of mexican heritage and claimed that we should ban all muslims from entering the us

When asked by a black reporter if he would meet with the congressional black caucus he responded asking if the reporter would setup the meeting. She clarified that she was a reporter, and he then asked her if they were friends of hers.

As president he pardoned joe arpaio who as sheriff, used "extreme racial profiling and sadistic punishments that involved the torture, humiliation, and degradation of Latino inmates"

After the charlottesville rally he made several questionable comments that appear to defend the white supremacists and earned him praise from the KKKs david duke.

Trump also backed an ad that was later pulled by even fox news during the 2018 midterms that suggested an undocumented immigrant who killed several policeman was representative of the migrants currently immigrating.

I think thats a pretty damning list. Sorry but...you dont constantly do and say all those things if you arent racist. The best argument for him not being racist is that hes simply really freaking stupid and ignorant which...thats not great for the president either...

And I left things out for crying out loud. There are MORE things that could be on here.

Despite this trump claims he is "the least racist person".

 

[ehb5]

Your question is small-minded and your defensive posture is evident, but I will answer anyway. No. Some are straight raw data of actually representative samples and some are manipulated in a variety of ways.

Polling is as weak as the questions and as weak as each specific respondee. It's also, and this is important so read it twice, as weak as the reporting of it. The weaknesses would be obvious to you if you didn't have so much emotional investment in the validity of a concept as broad and as general as "polling." Notably, your defenses went up because you were socially engineered to react that way.

But you are moving the goal posts now anyway. The point is that a wall would benefit this country and the military builds it for national security reasons either way.

So which polls do you buy and which dont you? And why do you not believe the specific polls showing most americans dont want the wall? And what evidence do you have to suggest most do want the wall?

No theres no goalpost moving here. Im fighting through your obsession with claiming anybody who disagrees with you is "small minded" and "socially engineered" to react a certain way to keep you very on topic.

Can you have a legit discussion without insults and conspiracy theories?

 

[ehb5]

Just some non violent asylum seekers

i have gone through this before there isnt any corrections i need to make at all but ok you chase down the questions i didnt answer

i can start with the fake russian collusion probe and the numerous sources i gave directly for the horses mouth from transcripts and video to border security . to illegal immigration

now what source for what video ?

There are many.

I also give many sources. So where does that leave us?

This video btw.

 

[ehb5]

It’ll probably be when he’s able to get back to school and ask his liberal professor.

Just out of curiosity... are you in college?

 

[ehb5]

I doubt any statistic that says more drugs enter the USA. Through MI for numerous logistical reasons

"I only believe the statistics that I like and that confirm my beliefs"

If you have a legitimate criticism of a statistic somebody posted I would be genuinely interested. But dont just shut out numbers you dont like.

 

[skinsdad62]

"I only believe the statistics that I like and that confirm my beliefs"

If you have a legitimate criticism of a statistic somebody posted I would be genuinely interested. But dont just shut out numbers you dont like.

well first of all the poster offered no source . lets start there

 

[ehb5]

Sorry but polling data is intentionally skewed and misreported to push a narrative. I know you will find it frustrating (I do too, as it becomes harder to genuinely discuss issues) but chances are any cited poll you provide will be highly debatable/suspect, and the reporting on it even moreso.

Whats your justification for that?

Which polls do you believe?

And why is that poll in particular worthy of being dismissed?

 

[ehb5]

No, they are blaming PEOPLE who are guilty.

Some Mexicans, not all of them, are guilty of "their part" of the problem. And some Americans, not all of them, are guilty of "their part" of the problem.

Both ends of the problem need to be addressed.


And if what Q says is going to happen, happens, Big-Pharma WILL be dealt with. A lot of things are going to change for the better, if what Q says is true. Unless you are a Leftist who wants America to become a Socialist Nation, then you might not like the changes?

Why do you care what Q says? Do you believe that to be anything more than an insane conspiracy theorist?

 

[skinsdad62]

There are many.

I also give many sources. So where does that leave us?

This video btw.

thanks for the video , you question is where did it come from .? this comes from the caravan of alleged asylum seekers at the southern MEXICAN border not ours .

they were portrayed as poor non violent people fleeing an oppressive honduran govt . this video shows that , that wasnt the case and they continued their collective violence all the way to our ports of entry in which they had to be repelled with tear gas

now my question is why didnt these 10,000 people go to the socialist honduran capitol and demand change from their own govt instead of DEMANDING charity from mine

i didnt see you question EBB , sorry for that , but now its answered

 

[skinsdad62]

Whats your justification for that?

Which polls do you believe?

And why is that poll in particular worthy of being dismissed?

i dont buy any polls , they are wrong more often then not (or at least enough for me to question them )

 

[skinsdad62]

OK, my long awaited return lol

Unlike some on here claim, Trump has been accused of racism for YEARS.

In the 70s he was sued for racial discrimination by the DOJ

1973 | Meet Donald Trump

In the 80s he pushed for the death penalty for 4 black men and a hispanic man who turned out to be wrongly accused and convicted. In 2016 when Trump was running for president years after the conviction was overturned he STILL claimed they were guilty.

In the 90s he was quoted in a book as saying that he hates that he has black accountants and that "laziness is a trait in blacks".

When asked about the book years later he said it was probably true. Years after THAT he denied ever saying it.

In the 2000s trump was heavily involved in pushing the birther movement which argued obama was not actually born in the US. He continued this conspiracy theory for years in spite of the evidence to the contrary (a theme with trump) and it took until 2016 for him to finally admit that obama was born in the us - though i dont know that he believes it).

Trump has retweeted the twitter account @whitegenocideTM twice. He has also retweeted images showing blatantly incorrect statistics about black on white violence and has retweeted at least 75 tweets from users associated with the #whitegenocide movement.

While running for president trump claimed a judges couldnt be trusted to hear his case because he was of mexican heritage and claimed that we should ban all muslims from entering the us

When asked by a black reporter if he would meet with the congressional black caucus he responded asking if the reporter would setup the meeting. She clarified that she was a reporter, and he then asked her if they were friends of hers.

As president he pardoned joe arpaio who as sheriff, used "extreme racial profiling and sadistic punishments that involved the torture, humiliation, and degradation of Latino inmates"

After the charlottesville rally he made several questionable comments that appear to defend the white supremacists and earned him praise from the KKKs david duke.

Trump also backed an ad that was later pulled by even fox news during the 2018 midterms that suggested an undocumented immigrant who killed several policeman was representative of the migrants currently immigrating.

I think thats a pretty damning list. Sorry but...you dont constantly do and say all those things if you arent racist. The best argument for him not being racist is that hes simply really freaking stupid and ignorant which...thats not great for the president either...

And I left things out for crying out loud. There are MORE things that could be on here.

Despite this trump claims he is "the least racist person".

and i have shown numerous evidence that contradicts that

 

[ehb5]

thanks for the video , you question is where did it come from .? this comes from the caravan of alleged asylum seekers at the southern MEXICAN border not ours .

they were portrayed as poor non violent people fleeing an oppressive honduran govt . this video shows that , that wasnt the case and they continued their collective violence all the way to our ports of entry in which they had to be repelled with tear gas

now my question is why didnt these 10,000 people go to the socialist honduran capitol and demand change from their own govt instead of DEMANDING charity from mine

i didnt see you question EBB , sorry for that , but now its answered

I appreciate you answering now, but you seem to misunderstanding me.

I am not asking for where the video CLAIMS to be from or what it claims to be of. Hell maybe those claims are accurate.

I am asking you to provide the SOURCE for the video. Where does it come from? How do we know it as at all what it (and you) claim it to be?

 

[ehb5]

i dont buy any polls , they are wrong more often then not (or at least enough for me to question them )

What is your evidence of that?

They are actually frequently quite accurate.

 

[ehb5]

and i have shown numerous evidence that contradicts that

No youve shown moments where trump was not acting in a racist way.

Thats great - he isnt saying something racist 24 hours a day. Yayyyyy.

None of what you have posted, absolves him of what I showed or remotely makes him not racist.