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Why is Mueller deviating to such an extreme degree? Because he has found evidence of crimes that have led to guilty pleas so obviously there were crimes committed. Again you are suggesting an investigator simply overlook that? That's not how it works, they find info on a crime they follow it. Why on Earth would you want crooks to get away with illegal activity? As a tax payer are you suggesting we simply allow Paul Manafort to escape punishment for swindling American tax payers out of millions of unpaid taxes? That's crazy.

As for your claim on Mueller, which matches Trump when he Tweeted "Why isn’t Mueller looking at all of the criminal activity and real Russian collusion on the Democratic side; Podesta dossier?”

Well Mueller is doing exactly that as he investigates Padesto, the brother of Hillary's campaign manager. Again he found info unrelated to the original investigation and is follow up on it. Both ways.


Brother of Hillary Clinton’s campaign manager UNDER INVESTIGATION in Trump-Mueller probe

TONY Podesta and a number of high profile officials are facing legal inquiries following a referral from special counsel Robert Mueller, who is investigating collusion between US individuals and the Russian government in connection to the 2016 presidential election.


Mr Podesta, a former lobbyist, along with former Republican congressman from Minnesota Vin Weber, and Greg Craig, a former White House counsel in the Obama White House, are facing an investigation by the US Attorney’s Office for the Southern District of New York, according to sources.

It was previously reported Mr Mueller was looking into Mr Podesta and his Democrat-leaning lobbying firm, Podesta Group, in relation to his wider investigation into the finances of Donald Trump’s former campaign manager, Paul Manafort.

Brother of Hillary Clinton’s campaign manager UNDER INVESTIGATION in Trump-Mueller probe

Actually, when you are investigating a crime, you aren’t really supposed to go digging for other crimes on people just because of relation.
 

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You need to research more and understand who is on His team . Also learn what people were convicted of and how they were entrapped . Flynn case is about to be overturned .

Again you are looking at Robert Mueller and Donald Trump and have concluded that it's Mueller with his impeccably credentials who is the crooked one. Utter nonsense. Newt Gingrich is a huge Trump guy, here is his tweet when Mueller took over:


Robert Mueller is superb choice to be special counsel. His reputation is impeccable for honesty and integrity. Media should now calm down



So we have 2 possibilities.

1. Robert Mueller, a man with stellar credentials that even a guy like Newt acknowledges that has been built over decades of public service suddenly decided to become corrupt and attempt to take down a President with illegal tactics when he knew every move he would make would be under a microscope.

2. Mueller has found a whole lot of troubling things as he investigates a group that has already had multiple guilty please because, well, they were guilty.

I think anyone with common sense can see which one is much more likely

The right always, and I mean ALWAYS, claims the left is being brainwashed by the biased MSM. It's kind of funny to me that this group is unable to look in the mirror and acknowledge that they too are having their opinions formulated by the equally biased right wing sources. 4 minutes with Hannity or Rush should tell anyone that.
 
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Actually, when you are investigating a crime, you aren’t really supposed to go digging for other crimes on people just because of relation.

Simply not true. I'm not the one to make up the line "an investigation goes where the evidence takes it". It's pretty much common knowledge. You on the other continue to make the case that if the investigators find evidence of felonies they should just look the other way and let the offenders off the hook.

That is insane to me and not how law enforcement works. When they find evidence of a crime is is their duty to follow up, not to look the other way.
 
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Again you are looking at Robert Mueller and Donald Trump and have concluded that it's Mueller with his impeccably credentials who is the crooked one. Utter nonsense. Newt Gingrich is a huge Trump guy, here is his tweet when Mueller took over:


Robert Mueller is superb choice to be special counsel. His reputation is impeccable for honesty and integrity. Media should now calm down



So we have 2 possibilities.

1. Robert Mueller, a man with stellar credentials that even a guy like Newt acknowledges that has been built over decades of public service suddenly decided to become corrupt and attempt to take down a President with illegal tactics when he knew every move he would make would be under a microscope.

2. Mueller has found a whole lot of troubling things as he investigates a group that has already had multiple guilty please because, well, they were guilty.

I think anyone with common sense can see which one is much more likely

The right always, and I mean ALWAYS, claims the left is being brainwashed by the biased MSM. It's kind of funny to me that this group is unable to look in the mirror and acknowledge that they too are having their opinions formulated by the equally biased right wing sources. 4 minutes with Hannity or Rush should tell anyone that.
You need to research mueller
 

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The term “lying” in Flynn’s case—as in so many of these cases of federal targeting—means nothing more than hours upon hours of interrogation in which the government then produces an alleged contradiction. Boom! Send him to prison! Is this justice?

This from the “honorable “ mueller

Sticking a man in solitary. Confinement to get. Him to “ flip “. Is honorable ?

How about getting witnesses to lie to support your “ claim “ and threatening with more jail time ? More honorable shit , eh ?

And just becAuse. You put an “ R” behind someone’s. Name. Doesn’t make them conservative .

In fact a legit invetstigator doesn’t have an “ r “. Or “ d “. Behind their name
 

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  • The FBI has released a summary that James Comey used in a briefing with President-Elect Donald Trump and President Obama regarding the Steele dossier
  • The document is sure to grab the attention of Republicans who have accused the FBI of relying too heavily on the unverified dossier for its investigation of possible collusion between the Trump campaign and Russian government
  • The summary shows that the FBI claimed Steele was working for “private clients,” when he was actually working for the DNC and Clinton campaign. It also noted that Steele relied on “identified and unidentified subsources” to fill out the dossier
The FBI on Friday released a two-page document that sheds some light on what former FBI Director James Comey briefed to President-Elect Donald Trump and President Obama regarding the infamous Steele dossier.

The document, first reported by Politico, asserts that Christopher Steele, the former British spy who compiled the dossier, was working “on behalf of private clients” in his investigation of Trump’s possible ties to Russia. His dossier contained “highly politically sensitive information,” according to the summary.
Steele, who is not identified by name in the heavily-redacted document, is also described as collecting information “from a layered network of identified and unidentified subsources, some of which has been corroborated in the past.”

Those characterizations are likely to draw the attention of Republicans, many of whom have accused the FBI of relying too heavily on Steele’s unverified reporting in its investigation of collusion between the Trump campaign and Russian government.


Steele was ultimately working for the Clinton campaign and DNC, not a private client. And Steele’s use of some “unidentified” sources could raise questions about his collection methods.

A former MI6 officer, Steele was hired in June 2016 to investigate Trump’s ties to Russia. His immediate employer was Fusion GPS, an opposition research firm that was working for Perkins Coie, the law firm that represented the Clinton campaign and the DNC. Steele, who is unable to travel to Russia because of his past work there, relied on intermediaries to obtain information about Trump and his advisers.

Republicans have blasted the FBI for failing to disclose who hired Steele to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court in applications to conduct surveillance on former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page.

The applications for the warrants note that Steele was working for someone who opposed Trump’s campaign, but did not identify Fusion GPS, the Clinton team or DNC. Comey and Democrats have argued that it was only important for surveillance court judges to know that the information about Trump was coming from someone who opposed his campaign.


The two-page summary, which Politico obtained through a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit, is heavily redacted and does not reveal many details about what Comey told Trump during their now-infamous Jan. 6, 2017, meeting at Trump Tower.

Comey visited Trump with three other intelligence community chiefs, but stayed behind to speak with the president-elect about Steele’s report. Comey has said that he told Trump about Steele’s claim that the Kremlin had blackmail material on Trump. The dossier claims that the Russian government has video of Trump with prostitutes at a Moscow hotel in 2013. Trump has vehemently denied it, and no evidence has come forward supporting the allegation.

Trump was only in Moscow for one night during the trip in question. People with him on the trip have said that he had a very narrow window of opportunity to engage in the conduct alleged by Steele because he was in his hotel room for only around five hours. (RELATED: Rob Goldstone On Dossier’s ‘Golden Shower’ Claim: ‘Well, When Would It Have Happened?)

The FBI document also reveals that Steele had been compensated by the bureau “for previous reporting over the past three years.”

The summary also noted that Steele’s dossier “appears to have been acquired by multiple Western press organizations starting in October.”

Steele and Fusion GPS met at least as early as September 2016 with reporters from several news outlets. Page, the former Trump campaign aide who is discussed throughout the dossier, has said he first received a media request about the dossier’s allegations on July 26, 2016. The reporter, who worked for The Wall Street Journal, asked Page whether he met in Russia earlier that month with Igor Sechin and Igor Diveykin, two Kremlin insiders.

Unknown to Page at the time, the claim about the two Igors is made in a memo that Steele added to the dossier on July 19, 2016. Steele has repeatedly claimed he has never met Sechin or Diveykin.

The FBI officially cut ties with Steele on Nov. 1, 2016, over his contacts with the press. He was a source for an Oct. 31, 2016, article published by Mother Jones. The FBI continued receiving information from Steele, however, through Justice Department official Bruce Ohr. Ohr, whose wife worked for Fusion GPS, met numerous times with Steele after the 2016 election. He briefed the FBI on his interactions with Steele at least a dozen times.

This should end any BS about who funded it
 

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The Special Counsel’s Office released key documents related to former National Security Advisor Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn Friday. Robert Mueller’s office had until 3 p.m. to get the documents to Judge Emmet Sullivan, who demanded information Wednesday after bombshell information surfaced in a memorandum submitted by Flynn’s attorney’s that led to serious concerns regarding the FBI’s initial questioning of the retired three-star general.

The highly redacted documents included notes from former Deputy Director Andrew McCabe regarding his conversation with Flynn about arranging the interview with the FBI. The initial interview took place at the White House on Jan. 24, 2017.

The documents also include the FBI’s “302” report regarding Flynn’s interview with anti-Trump former FBI Agent Peter Strzok and FBI Agent Joe Pientka when they met with him at the White House. It is not, however, the 302 document from the actual January, 2017 interview but an August, 2017 report of Strzok’s recollections of the interview.


Flynn’s attorney’s had noted in their memorandum to the courts that the documents revealed that FBI officials made the decision not to provide Flynn with his Miranda Rights, which would’ve have warned him of penalties for making false statements.

“The agents did not provide Gen. Flynn with a warning of the penalties for making a false statement under 18 U.S.C. 1001 before, during, or after the interview,” the Flynn memo says. According to the 302, before the interview, McCabe and other FBI officials “decided the agents would not warn Flynn that it was a crime to lie during an FBI interview because they wanted Flynn to be relaxed, and they were concerned that giving the warnings might adversely affect the rapport.”

McCabe, who has since been fired for lying to the DOJ’s Office of Inspector General about leaking information to the media, also asked Flynn not to have his lawyer present during the initial meeting with the FBI agents.
The July 2017 report, however, was the interview with Strzok. It described his interview with Flynn but was not the original Flynn interview.

Apparent discrepancies within the 302 documents are being questioned by may former senior FBI officials, who state that there are stringent policies in place to ensure that the documents are guarded against tampering.

On Thursday, FBI Supervisory Agent Jeff Danik told SaraACarter.com that Sullivan must also request all the communications between the two agents, as well as their supervisors around the August 2017 time-frame in order to get a complete and accurate picture of what transpired. Danik, who is an expert in FBI policy, says it is imperative that Sullivan also request “the workflow chart, which would show one-hundred percent, when the 302s were created when they were sent to a supervisor and who approved them.”
He stressed, “the bureau policy – the absolute FBI policy – is that the notes must be placed in the system in a 1-A file within five days of the interview.” Danik said that the handwritten notes get placed into the FBI Sentinel System, which is the FBI’s main record keeping system.

“Anything beyond five business days is a problem, eight months is a disaster,” he added.

In the redacted 302 report Strzok and Pientka said they “both had the impression at the time that Flynn was not lying or did not think he was lying.” Information that Flynn was not lying was first published and reported by SaraACarter.com.

Flynn was found guilty by Mueller on one count of lying to the FBI. Supporters of Flynn have questioned Mueller’s tactics in getting the retired three-star general to plead guilty to this one count of lying.

In the report, the two agents describe Flynn as being very open and noted said Flynn “clearly saw the FBI agents as allies.” Flynn is described as discussing a variety of “subjects.” The report includes his openness regarding Trump’s “knack for interior design,” the hotels he stayed at during his campaign, as well as other issues.

“Flynn was so talkative, and had so much time for them, that Strzok wondered if the national security adviser did not have more important things to do than have a such a relaxed, non-pertinent discussion with them,” it said.

The documents turned over by Mueller also reveal that other FBI personnel “later argued about the FBI’s decision to interview Flynn.”

Flynn is set to be sentenced on Dec. 18. Mueller’s office has asked Sullivan to not give Flynn any jail time because of his “substantial” cooperation.
 

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I would run. I don’t give a damn. I am squeaky freakin’ clean.

Well, you’re not a politician or billionaire, I assume, but point taken. If trump gets impeached, I think it really should be done. I’m serious. Regardless wether you’re clean, it’s still not fun having people all up in your business, and maybe those around you aren’t so clean. Further to my point maybe that will lead us to the perfect candidate
 

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Well, you’re not a politician or billionaire, I assume, but point taken. If trump gets impeached, I think it really should be done. I’m serious. Regardless wether you’re clean, it’s still not fun having people all up in your business, and maybe those around you aren’t so clean. Further to my point maybe that will lead us to the perfect candidate
No way. He gets impeached and convicted my senate
 

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Comey testified before Congress on Friday behind closed doors and then went out and had a press conference about it and said any number of things, including that a transcript of his testimony has been released (or leaked or whatever). In no particular order here, James Comey last night told the denizens of New York’s Upper West Side at the 92nd Street Y that Americans must “‘use every breath we have’ to oust Trump in 2020,” expend every bit of energy we have!

Comey is famously nonpartisan. Remember that? He “begged Democrats to set aside their ideological differences” between themselves “and nominate the person best suited to defeating Trump in an election.” This is a quote: Democrats “‘have to win. They have to win.'” He said that impeaching Trump “‘would muddy'” the water, “and potentially leave a third of the country feeling like their chosen leader had been removed in a ‘coup.'” Mr. Comey, I think it’s more like half the country voted for Trump, and a large number of them will consider this a coup.



In fact, Mr. Comey, they think you’re already been part of a coup! If the truth be known, Mr. Comey, millions and millions of Americans think that you are one of the ringleaders of a silent coup that’s been going on for two years to get rid of Donald Trump. “Comey said he hoped that Trump would be swept out of office without being impeached. Framing the rise of Trumpism as a political ill the country needed to exorcise at the ballot,” meaning get rid of. “[H]e expressed a hope that Americans would ‘in a landslide rid ourselves of this attack on our values.'”

And there it is again. Every time I hear a Democrat say this… I grew so weary of Barack Obama talking about anything he disagreed with as being “an attack on our values.” What values are those, Mr. Comey? What values are you representing and standing up for? I mean, this guy does believe that he is the paragon of modern moral virtue. So what the hell are his values that he would help direct an FBI effort to meddle in our elections and then a coup to remove a duly elected president? Do you people realize who has been meddling in elections here?

Let’s start with Hillary Clinton and Christopher Steele and the dossier and Fusion GPS and the Perkins Coie law firm, and then let’s go to the FBI and the Department of Justice. Let’s go to the various intelligence agencies all the way up to the FISA court. Do you realize they were meddling in an election by planting spies in the Trump campaign? Six of them! Who is it here that actually meddled in an election? Who is it that tried to affect the outcome of the election outside standard campaign norms?
Why, that would be the FBI-led James Comey. That would be Peter Strzok and Lisa Page and McCabe and Bruce Ohr and his wife, Nellie, and any number of others. Rod Rosenstein. Any number of others. Robert Mueller. Who is it that’s actually tried to meddle in the outcome of an election? And then when they failed, who is it that has been meddling in the day to day comings and goings of an existing and elected presidential administration for the purposes of unseating it? Why, it’d be the same people. The irony of this is overwhelming.

Whereas Trump didn’t meddle with anybody! Trump did not collude with anybody! Certainly not with Russians! Trump hasn’t had any involvement that’s criminal in anything with anybody, and yet look at the criminal activity being ignored and overlooked that was undertaken alone by the Clinton campaign! And it is James Comey who is throwing out the term “Trump is ‘certainly close’ to being an unindicted co-conspirator.”
There’s a Devin Nunes memo here that was redacted. This is Comey: “Because of the sensitivity of the matter, the FBI did not notify congressional leadership about this investigation during the FBI’s regular counterintelligence briefs.” In other words, the FBI was investigating Trump and didn’t tell Congress! And let’s not forget the Trump campaign was not given a heads-up. All this time, the FBI, the DOJ, particularly the FBI thought the Russians might be tampering.

The FBI worried that the Russians might have spies in the Trump campaign. Did they tell the Trump campaign? Did they call Trump or anybody else and warn him, “Be on the lookout! We think Russians may have tried to infiltrate your campaign”? No! They put people in the campaign to pretend to be Russians or to pretend to try to collude with Russia. Six different spies were implanted or attempted to be implanted in the Trump campaign.The transcript from the first James Comey interview with the joint House committee is rather revealing … One of the more interesting aspects surrounds Comey claiming the FBI never investigated the Trump campaign; and yet also claiming four Trump campaign officials had FBI investigative files opened on them simultaneously.” Now, we know who they are. They were Carter Page, George Papadopoulos, [Paul] Manafort,
There were four people. Their names were redacted except for Carter Page’s, but we know who they are now. “Comey wants everyone to believe it was a coincidence” that they had four people in the Trump campaign being investigated but that there was not an investigation of the campaign per se? “There are people who to this day that maintain that the FBI opened counterintelligence investigations into four Trump campaign associates in late July 2016, when George Papadopoulos…”

This has been debunked so many times and yet it continues to be reported that ) Papadopoulos was telling the Australian ambassador that he knew — as a member of the Trump campaign — that the Russians had 30,000 Hillary emails. Papadopoulos only knew that because the FBI were the ones that told him!
The FBI used an uncorroborated smear of Trump paid for by Hillary Clinton to get a warrant to spy on the Trump campaign.

Comey was then fired for his politicized incompetence by Trump. That triggered the hiring of Mueller. Do you know why the dossier was not verified before or after the FISA warrant? Because it couldn’t have been, because it was made up! There was no way the Steele dossier could be verified! It was made up. It was Hillary Clinton opposition research, and Comey is still testifying about it as though it is central to everything that’s happened here, even though they couldn’t verify it.
 

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“As more of the secret evidence used to justify the Russia probe becomes public, an increasingly dark portrait of the FBI’s conduct emerges. The bureau, under a Democratic-controlled Justice Department, sought a warrant to spy on the duly nominated GOP candidate for president in the final weeks of the 2016 election, based on evidence that was generated under a contract paid by his political opponent.

“That evidence, the Steele dossier, was not fully vetted by the bureau and was deemed unverified months after the warrant was issued. At least one news article was used in the FISA warrant to bolster the dossier as independent corroboration –” This is interesting. I don’t know if you remember this. But the FBI presents the dossier as part of the FISA warrant. They also included in their application for the warrant to spy a news story mentioning the dossier that they had leaked!

They didn’t tell the FISA judge they leaked the story. They tried to use the journalists who wrote the story as additional evidence for the Steele dossier being legit. “Hey, Judge, it’s not just us. Look at this. This news account appeared,” in whatever newspaper it was. They purposely leaked the dossier to a bunch of journalists who then wrote stories about it which then the FBI included in their application for the warrant to spy.

“The entire warrant, the FBI’s own document shows, was being rushed to approval by two agents who hated Trump and stated in their own texts that they wanted to ‘stop’ the Republican from becoming president.” That’s Strzok Smirk and Lisa Page.

This and the above post point out everything about this BS investigation and I know some of you here simply don’t research it and buy MSM talking points and post old , outdated regurgitated crap. Thinking it’s fact
 

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Mueller’s Record Officer erased over 19,000 Stroyk Page texts after it was revealed he was asked to leave for texts showing that Stroyk had a plan(an insurance policy) to remove the President from office. They say DOJ policy but that policy does not cover destruction of evidence.

The honarable mueller at it again
 

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Mueller had Strzok and Page’s phones wiped clean, withheld exculpatory evidence demanded by Judge Sullivan, and now we know there’s an exculpatory memo in DIA’s custody.


Gen. Flynn’s plea should be vacated, his charges tossed, and Mueller shut down with his office sealed.

The honorable mueller. Eh people ?
 

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Well, you’re not a politician or billionaire, I assume, but point taken. If trump gets impeached, I think it really should be done. I’m serious. Regardless wether you’re clean, it’s still not fun having people all up in your business, and maybe those around you aren’t so clean. Further to my point maybe that will lead us to the perfect candidate

Nope...people I associate with are squeaky clean too.
 

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Simply not true. I'm not the one to make up the line "an investigation goes where the evidence takes it". It's pretty much common knowledge. You on the other continue to make the case that if the investigators find evidence of felonies they should just look the other way and let the offenders off the hook.

That is insane to me and not how law enforcement works. When they find evidence of a crime is is their duty to follow up, not to look the other way.

You are completely missing the point.
 

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Nothing personal Dad but this is the exact discussion I have been having on the politics board for 2 years, not really interested in going down this road here. When I read the poster blaming the MSM it's time I check out, heard this just too often to want to continue. I'll simply point out the MSM is no more biased than Feux News or other conservative sources.

Just a point for clarity's sake. Fox news is part of the MSN. In fact, most of the MSM is owned and controlled by people who call themselves conservative or Republican. (Rightfully so because of the finances involved) So anytime that someone wants to point at the MSM as too liberal, just smile and know that they know nothing about the MSM and/or its leanings.
 

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Good morning. I agree Trump is brilliant, Hell getting elected with all his baggage was nothing short of brilliant. Never would I have believed a man seen mocking the disabled and bragging about grabbing pussies would win the election after seeing Gary Hart going down the shitter for lying about an affair. There used to be a certain level of expected behavior from the Office of the President, Trump has somehow managed to turn that upside down and can behave as he wishes without ramifications. I have no idea how that is possible.

As for the collusion thing again we have not seen the evidence so nobody can be sure there was none. . The charges to date have nothing to do with collusion, this is true. However they were discover as part of the collusion investigation. Mueller worked deals on those charges for cooperation with regard to the collusion. Why would he do that if he has found nothing with regard to collusion? So naturally they are not being charged with collusion (more specifically conspiracy which is a crime) because those charges have not been filed yet. They are helping him build that case potentially. That does not mean there was no collusion.

Trump knows that by and large people in this country beyond their own fears, are not very bright. All he had to do was repeat what people said privately in the public forum and the cowards came running. In the city we call it running game!
 
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Good morning. I agree Trump is brilliant, Hell getting elected with all his baggage was nothing short of brilliant. Never would I have believed a man seen mocking the disabled and bragging about grabbing pussies would win the election after seeing Gary Hart going down the shitter for lying about an affair. There used to be a certain level of expected behavior from the Office of the President, Trump has somehow managed to turn that upside down and can behave as he wishes without ramifications. I have no idea how that is possible.

As for the collusion thing again we have not seen the evidence so nobody can be sure there was none. . The charges to date have nothing to do with collusion, this is true. However they were discover as part of the collusion investigation. Mueller worked deals on those charges for cooperation with regard to the collusion. Why would he do that if he has found nothing with regard to collusion? So naturally they are not being charged with collusion (more specifically conspiracy which is a crime) because those charges have not been filed yet. They are helping him build that case potentially. That does not mean there was no collusion.


Collusion is not a crime!! It is the method in which a crime or crimes are committed.
 

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You need to stop listening only to your right wing sources and their smear campaign.
You may be right, but is what Dad has posted about Mueller's actions not accurate? I wasn't aware of some of these things. How do Mueller's supports respond specifically?
 
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