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  1. gkekoa

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    The Conservative party hasn’t really changed. In what way did it change? I would say it appears to have changed because the liberals have changed their message to go for votes. Conservatives still believe in we are created equal and government should treat us as such.

    I would say we would be far better off if the nation’s conservative values had not changed. I would say the black community would be far better off if they remained conservative.

    I don’t blame the education system. The kids don’t put forth the effort because they lack in home parental guidance.

    You see the 50s and 60s as a time for blacks to be overlooked rather than freed and I think that is where you go wrong.
     



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    Sorry but when the leading Presidential Candidate for the conservative party ran and won on a platform of spreading fear, and another currently leading republican figure for office is a brothel owner, I cant really buy the whole party of values line any more. The 50-60 was a time many in this country would not have wanted to happen, not because of the violence but because of the outcome. While I detest the Democratic partys tendency to treat blacks as nothing more than voting pawns and feeding into the cycle of dependency. IM not buying the whole conservatives see us as equals.
     
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    Trump didn’t win on a platform of spreading fear. He won on a platform of economy, law and order, and anybody but the witch.

    Who is the brothel owner?

    You don’t have to buy it but history shows that is what republicans marched for and fought for. Now I know there are some that would like to forget history, Democratic Party.
     
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    I literally wrote that I was making an assumption hahaha

    dont become unhinged, its nothing personal. I just dont think you can form authentic political opinions until you experience more life.
     
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    They may both be trash. I wont dispute that.

    A major difference though is that Fox at least will report on and cover stories that goes against their agenda whereas CNN/MSNBC will often completely ignore or fail to cover a story that goes against theirs.
     
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    "the biggest problem" should be replaced with "the most annoying"

    I think they can all be annoying but that white guy who carries his white guilt like hes christ carrying the cross through jerusalem takes the cake.

    BTW I hope that cop in Texas sues Shaun King into oblivion.
     
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    well my lifetime is different then your lifetime haha but I agree.

    I do think it has gone so far left and so far right over the last 15 years though. Very noticeably in fact. I blame social media and the far left winged values of silicon valley
     
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    I dont care for Trump. I wish he wasnt on social media. I wish he didnt get involved with the NFL. I wish he wouldnt give out of touch hollywood celebrities and athletes a platform by responding to them.

    Calling Trump a racist and white supremacist is so grossly unfair and extreme. Its simply not true and dilutes the terms. People freely slandering the president of the united states with these terms without repercussions is why I believe there is so much discord and mud slinging between the 2 parties. I dont even like Trump but when people say or imply these gross inaccuracies I find myself defending him and maybe even some of his policies that I may not totally agree with, human nature.
     
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    People have been trying to dilute the meaning of racist, and white Supremist for years. Its usually the racists and white supremists wanting to dilute the terms. After all, if everything is racist, then nothing is racist. Once you make racism and white supremacy into just a part of the every day norm, well then it no longer becomes a problem to 70% of the country. Because thats just the way things are.

    As for speaking against the President, we had eight years of pissed off folks calling him the N-word President, #NotMyPresident, and a whole host of other things. The Current Presidents most important mission seems to be trying to erase or tarnish Obama's legacy, and half the yes RACIST base of his are cheering him on in this effort. So spare me the have some respect for the office line of bullshit, because thats what it is with Trump in there, just a line of BS.
     
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    The Brothel owner would be Dennis Hof, he is the leading GOP candidate for the Nevada State Legislature.

    Its Awesome to want to be historically accurate. Its rather dubious to only want to remember the parts of history that favor your platform and try to gloss over the crappy parts that lead to the culture that has been established. And as a human being, one would be rather callus to simply ignore the majority cultures long standing habitual behavior when it comes to marginalizing and dehumanizing other cultures in this country.

    And Trump most certainly did run on a platform of fear. Fear of the USA becoming too Diverse, too liberal.
     
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    statistics dont bare that out shark 72% of black children that have single parents end up in poverty . that stat goes for any race as it rises to 79 % overall

    the advice given should be on 3 things that william galston advisor to president clinton said
    1) finish high school
    2) dont have children till your 20
    3 )be married before you have children

    if you do those 3 things statistically onlly 8% of you will be poor . if you fail 79% of you will be poor

    he got that from a study by james q wilson UCLA

    this is good advice for people of all races

    now how does institutional /structural /systematic racism stop a person of color from following this formula ?

    85% of all educators are registered democrats . liberal methods have been in force since the late 60's . bush's no child left behind is more establishment BS .
     
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    Come on Shark. It is Nevada. What exactly do you expect? It is legal in Vegas.

    Show me the parts where it is crappy. Be specific and let’s talk about them. I don’t want to gloss over them. I want to learn from them.

    Majorities in all cultures dominate the mainstream and thus minorities “feel” marginalized. I am sorry but some cultures are better than other cultures.

    As a sovereign nation, should we have laws? Should we control immigration? Should the POTUS enforce the laws created by Congress? It honestly sounds like you just want to see white people in the minority as some sort of revenge.
     
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    For somebody who claims to have no interest in my political opinions you sure do have a lot of interest in my political opinions.
     
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    I will say this, to a point Wilsons study was more about affirming a pre-established belief than finding a solution. Kind of like saying, dont drop a toaster in the bathtub to avoid getting electrocuted. Specifically option #3 there. There are plenty of MARRIED folks living in poverty even now. I agree that every one should finish high school, and should actually seek higher education. But our education system is viewed as an expense more than an investment, to me thats ass backwards thinking. But then it doesnt shock me with a government that looks at people as cost vs income potential commodities.

    As for how institutional racism causes poverty, it alone doesnt. But you cant simply deny its effects on poverty. The long standing practice in this country of paying women and people of color less than white males is part of the institutional/societal excepted norms that have alot to do with the poverty level in this country. More so in fact than single motherhood.

    I will also say that it should be very telling about the two different mindsets that mostly Liberals actually WANT to teach our children and attempt to create a better education system for every one, as apposed to the concept that the ability to get a good education should be based on your parents financial ability to pay for said education. The idea that you can only get your child a good education if you make enough to pay for it is an elitist concept that SHOULD have died out in this country 100 years ago, and quite frankly I think it harkens back to a time when education or the ability to even get an education was a by product of your families social status.
     
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    OK... I will show you correlations. What this country has historically done, and how they are strangely enough doing it now, just to a different group of people.

    When this country was being formed, and the Indians were declared the enemy, it was common practice to take the Indian Children away from their families, send them to christian schools where they were forbade from speaking their native tongue, stripped of their name and taught to be christians.

    During Slavery, it was common practice to sell children away from their families. When new slaves were brought in they were stripped of their name, forbidden from speaking in their native tongue, and once again introduced to christ. Bright side, they werent the enemy, they were just property.

    Welcome to 2018, where the Mexican is now the enemy. They have tried to enact laws that if you dont speak English, you need to. As we sit here there are children of Mexican heritage (some illegal, some not) being held in government sponsored concentration camps. Bonus though, Christianity is already the predominant religion in Mexico, so thats one less hurdle I guess.

    Now I dont know about you, but I see a history of crappy that has spanned over generations and the only thing that has really changed is the enemy.
     
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    I agree some cultures are better than others. As for the whole revenge concept, I can see whee that would be troubling. But reality is, I would much rather there be no real majority not out of some sense of revenge, but out of a sense of actual fairness and cooperation. As long as one group can simply say... well we out number you and out gun you, there will always be cases of inequality. Now i guess thats awesome if you happen to fall in that majority. BUt Im more in favor of balance, to where no one groups issues are marginalized. Where no group gets to feel they are superior because they have the numbers. And the only people I see clinging to the current way of things are those worried about some sort of social revenge if they ever should be out numbered. BUt again I could see as to where that might be a concern.

    Sure we should have laws, but those laws should be equal in practice and not just lip service. If they went door to door and said EVERY person currently living here had to show proof that they had a right to be here, I would have no problem with it. BUt I would be willing to bet a weeks pay, if they did that you would get more complaints from the conservative crowd than you would blacks, latinos or liberals in general.
     
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    Even if not married, how about both parents under the same roof? There are some married people in poverty but look at the percentage.

    Our education system in some instances, especially inner cities, is an expense. There are many schools with kids that just don’t want to be there. The kids choose to disrupt the entire class and refuse to do their job. No matter how much we spend on education, we can’t overcome people that won’t work. Some people are costs. If they are not working but are capable, they are a cost.

    Again, show me the black or female pay scale. It is bullshit TODAY.

    More bullshit. Liberals do not want to teach our children. They want to control our children’s thinking. You may want to go a little more in depth on paying for education. Are you talking college? Are you referring to inner cities education? Are you saying private school is wrong?

    To be very honest, everything you are spewing sounds rooted in envy.
     
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    Nearly every country in the history of the world has a national language. Most countries would kill the children, enslave them, or do the same thing.

    Now show me the “concentration camps.” I thought we were holding criminals until they are processed. Silly me.
     
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    So this is a case of you deciding your morals should work for everyone.. got it.

    And in many cases our schools dont have the resources to handle the class load. These are kids we are talking about after all. It has been shown that there is an optimal teacher to student ratio for the best learning environment.. most of your inner city schools are way over that optimal number.

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    They same could be said of the church.

    Education should be quality and affordable regardless of your parents social status. Getting a college education should not cost more than a house. The more educated skilled workers we have, the better for all of us, regardless of race. Private School is usually a privilege of wealth.

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    And you are starting to sound a bit defensive.
     
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