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Odds to win the SB

Did Vegas get this right?

  • About right

    Votes: 6 31.6%
  • Way off

    Votes: 10 52.6%
  • Pretty close except...

    Votes: 1 5.3%
  • Who has the best potato salad in LV?

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Across The Field

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that would be a healthy Travis Fredrick at center, the trade for Quinn to play opposite of Lawrence, a much better yards after catch slot receiver, Jaylon Smith another year more healthy, and Connor Williams adding 15 lbs of muscle this offseason. We'll see but Dallas on paper is a better team than 2018
Well sure, you'd always hope you're improving. That said, I'd say Cleveland is significantly better than in 2018, especially going into the season with Hue Jackson/Todd Haley coaching and Tyrod/Carlos Hyde starting on offense instead of Baker and Chubb.

I think both teams are top 10 in the NFL, and it'd be a hell of a matchup.
 

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Well sure, you'd always hope you're improving. That said, I'd say Cleveland is significantly better than in 2018, especially going into the season with Hue Jackson/Todd Haley coaching and Tyrod/Carlos Hyde starting on offense instead of Baker and Chubb.

I think both teams are top 10 in the NFL, and it'd be a hell of a matchup.
No question Cleveland had a great offseason.

I was just responding to your question asking what Dallas has right now that make them better teams in 2019?
 

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Chicago is good but I think 4th on the list is too high.

Browns still arent that good

Patriots shouldn't be #1 but I guess never say never with them until Brady and Bellichick are done.
 

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Baker is in prove it mode, last year he got demolished by Chiefs/Chargers/Texans put up some garbage points at the end. Ravens he split with, lost on the road and won before their qb change. Steelers kicked his tail too. So he won no big games on the road nor his rivalry game, and won just one game vs playoff team that had a qb issue
 

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bears browns packers all that high, no wayyyyyyyyyy same with colts, seahawks 49ers wtf
 

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in no way are the steelers superbowl favs, but the 49'ers have 2-1 odds on the steelers , gtfo
 

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I knew right away you were like many posters who just cannot man up and say their logic was offbase so this is probably futile on my part. But here goes.......

"All those weapons"? Had a solid WR in Landry and? His #2 was Callaway who was a 4th round pick and not played in a year. His #3 was Higgins, a 5th rounder who had never done much of anything. did have a solid runner in Chubb (who only started half the year).

Yes, I get many grade QBs on stats (or counting stats), but you have been told and hopefully know Baker is smart, makes quick decisions, is deadly accurate AND has a strong arm. Those are all the traits you want in a QB. are you actually trying to discredit him because he has those traits AND put up good numbers?

where we agree is he needs to do it again.....but no reason to think he wont or that he can't do it better.
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Baker showed several of the traits of an elite QB last year - 2nd in the league in RZ QB rating, 1st in the league in deep ball completions and completion %, and once Hue was fired he was near the top of the league in QB rating when facing pressure. All of this as a rookie is extremely promising. I expect him to certainly take another step forward this year.
Oh, so now it matters???
Know who was #2 in the NFL last year in this stat for the whole year and not just for a cherry picked part of the year?
 

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No question Cleveland had a great offseason.

I was just responding to your question asking what Dallas has right now that make them better teams in 2019?
Ohh, no I know they're better than they were in 2018. I was asking was specifically makes them better then Cleveland.
 

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Oh, so now it matters???
Know who was #2 in the NFL last year in this stat for the whole year and not just for a cherry picked part of the year?
Looks like it wound up being Phillip Rivers.
 

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Ohh, no I know they're better than they were in 2018. I was asking was specifically makes them better then Cleveland.
really? Didn't seem as if that was your point...oh well

to the question.....if nothing else, lack of ego and overall better talent thoughout their roster.

bottom line....paper means nothing, gotta play the games and as always health will have a say for all teams. I do think the Browns could have serious ego issues if things turn south early, which isn't the case in Dallas as shown last season.

nothing wrong with being a homer....Cleveland has been one of my favorite teams over the decades. Not a big fan of OBJ, nor Baker's antics. Time will tell
 

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What would you call the numbers I listed? Would you not call deep ball accuracy and red zone efficiency signs of elite QBs? Would you not say the elite QBs remain calm under pressure and complete passes?

Pick and choose all you want. Baker didn't show Elite traits.
Funny Daks numbers are right there with Baker and now he's has elite traits and in your opinion Dak is mediocre.

You need to lay off what ever shit you're smoking.
 

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You mean the one that has not taken place yet, so all we can go by is what has actually happened?

and I was right. You are "that guy".
 

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LMAO at the ELITE take.

He has shown traits of a Franchise QB, there is a big difference between Elite and Franchise QBs.

You're starting to have Traits of a few Eagles posters.
agreed, but are the traits he listed not those you'd think an elite QB must have? Simply put, he's deadly accurate, makes quick decisions and has a very strong arm.

Wants to say let's see him do it again? I can buy that. But he does have the traits of an elite QB....and he shoed them as a rookie.
 

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Pick and choose all you want. Baker didn't show Elite traits.
Funny Daks numbers are right there with Baker and now he's has elite traits and in your opinion Dak is mediocre.

You need to lay off what ever shit you're smoking.
He wasn't accurate? He didn't make quick decisions? Doesn't have a strong arm? Needs to do it again, sure, and improve.....but no reason to think he cannot at this point.
 

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He wasn't accurate? He didn't make quick decisions? Doesn't have a strong arm? Needs to do it again, sure, and improve.....but no reason to think he cannot at this point.

Funny Daks rookie numbers blow Bakers away and no same person tried labeling him elite. The defenses will now take a lot of what Baker did away. Let readdress this next April.
 

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these odds havbe the 49'ers as a top 10 team
bears as top 4

packers as top 6
 

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Funny Daks rookie numbers blow Bakers away and no same person tried labeling him elite. The defenses will now take a lot of what Baker did away. Let readdress this next April.
you're not wrong. But its clear baker is more of a "passer" and dak is more of a "gamer". not saying thats bad......but in terms of passing, daks never gonna be in the top half of the league
 

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Funny Daks rookie numbers blow Bakers away and no same person tried labeling him elite. The defenses will now take a lot of what Baker did away. Let readdress this next April.
Fair points, guess we'll wait and see.

Though I don't think Dak took over an 0-16 team and 1-31. His team was a year removed 12-4. sure 4-12 the previous season, but only because Romo went down.
 
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