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Notre Dame, why I HATE the Fighting Irish. Snowflakes should avoid this thread.

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I was thinking 500 would be around how fast the WORLDS FASTEST MAN traveled, but it was closer to 635 miles per hour, lol.
 

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I do. I'll give you credit for acknowledging this.

ND sucks in tons of donations from idiot Catholics donating out of pure loyalty to Catholicism or love of the fb team?

UMn has to EARN the money they bring in.
You’re the epitome of a pseudo intellectual. You think you’re learned with valued and informed opinions. But at the end of the day, you don’t know fuck all about what you’re talking about. Donations that come ND’s way are just like every other university out there. They come from alumni or families of alumni. I knew very few Catholics that make a donation to Notre Dame. Most Catholics keep their charity money locally in parishes or is directed towards the less fortunate. “Earn their way”? Bwahahaha! You’re talking about public grant money that is available to them just by the nature of being a land grant institution that the government chooses to subsidize. It’s delusional to think that is earned 100% much of that is being propped up by a system that’s been in place that has little to do with the quality of Minnesota. Hey look at that! It’s kind of like Big Ten membership. No one gives a fuck about Minnesota sports. But they ride the coattails of what Michigan OSU PSU etc have built with their brands at the negotiating table like little Communists. Sure some are better than others but they all get equal shares. “Earn their way” hahaha. You say some stupid and funny shit but this nonsense stands out amongst a sea of stupid shit you say.
 

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LOL, I was never rejected by the Univ of Minnesota, lol. I would have had to apply to be rejected.

Before I could or did apply to any college, I joined the military, they tested me and soon after I got an invite to West Point.
So the point still stands…you are doing some academic masturbation for a school that you never attended. This raises another question. Are you a beta cuck? Do you enjoy watching another man take your wife and give her the pleasure you can not? Do you regularly live vicariously through the experiences of others?
 

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So the point still stands…you are doing some academic masturbation for a school that you never attended. This raises another question. Are you a beta cuck? Do you enjoy watching another man take your wife and give her the pleasure you can not? Do you regularly live vicariously through the experiences of others?

You are making a bold assumption to think FDF has ever had the company of a woman.
 

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TRIGGER ALERT, if you are a snowflake, I, personally, hope you move along and go to some other thread. This is America so as far as I'm concerned, anyone here can do whatever they want. But I'd prefer this thread be somewhere that harsh things can be posted and brought up and discussed without people running off and complaining or whining or crying about bullies saying mean things. I can't control how the admins choose to censor or not censor posts in this thread, but I can hope they will try to avoid censoring anything unless absolutely necessary.

We can do our part by keeping our negative remarks as NON personal as possible. Attacking a religion should be allowed. Attacking religious leaders should be allowed, same as attacking politicians should be allowed. But Catholics are people. I have friends and family and co-workers who are Catholic and I like all of them, too. I'll try to remember that, and hopefully anyone else coming in here to contribute keeps that in mind as well.




I have tons of issues with Notre Dame, some of them are not very serious at all, from just hating their stupid football team, to not wanting them in the B1G Conference as some seem to want, to some issues that are very serious, including having some responsibility in the child sex abuse scandals that have been rocking the RCC in general over the years and lots inbetween.

I'm inviting all who HATE ND to come in here and say why, and I don't care if it's silly petty shit like you don't like the color of their uniforms or you are offended by their choice of mascot or because their fb coach is a jerk, or if it's that you believe Notre Dame is where the Devil himself has set up his throne, share those thoughts and opinions here.



And for any and all Catholics, you are welcome as well to defend your school and your religion if you are Catholic as I am very sure ND's being Catholic will be brought up as one of the reasons people don't like ND. But be warned, I'll encourage a ZERO TOLERANCE for censorship rule in this thread. I'm not a site admin, so they may choose to do some censoring, but I'd hope they won't. I'm hoping they will just leave this thread alone. But that may depend on us. I encouraged non-Catholics to try to avoid personal attacks, so same goes for any of you Catholics coming in here, try not to take attacks of your religion as personal attacks. The RCC has murdered at least one human being during it's existence for disagreeing with it, so that alone qualifies it as not perfect and hence deserving of SOME criticism at least.
Jealous are you?
 

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Hate of a college is a big step. Wonder what ND ever did to you, other than possibly rejecting you application.
It's what ND did to Catholicism and to America that bothers me most. If all I cared about was college football I could adore ND, as their history is beyond compare. But colleges/universities are far more than their football programs. And Notre Dame has done great harm to Christianity and to America and the whole world.
 

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It's what ND did to Catholicism and to America that bothers me most. If all I cared about was college football I could adore ND, as their history is beyond compare. But colleges/universities are far more than their football programs. And Notre Dame has done great harm to Christianity and to America and the whole world.
No more than the vast majority of colleges that have shifted so far to the left that some don't even allow conservative views to be presented on campus (ND included). The need for "safe spaces" is such a stupid and ignorant position. Talk about safe spaces to any combat veteran and they will laugh in your face.
The Catholic religion is just as hypocritical as most other religions except for Islam which is the runaway leader in that category.
 

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No more than the vast majority of colleges that have shifted so far to the left that some don't even allow conservative views to be presented on campus (ND included). The need for "safe spaces" is such a stupid and ignorant position. Talk about safe spaces to any combat veteran and they will laugh in your face.
The Catholic religion is just as hypocritical as most other religions except for Islam which is the runaway leader in that category.
Well, I agree that the vast majority of colleges have shifted way too far to the left, including Minnesota, and so it may seem like I am being unfair when criticizing Notre Dame as I do, but two things, UMn is a public university and Leftists make up a large percentage of the population of Minnesota, where as Notre Dame is supposed to be, not only "a" Catholic University, but it's President has claimed it's "the most catholic university", so I don't think as a Christian that it's wrong for me to hold Notre Dame to a higher standard.

Second, when you trace the history of the Social Justice Movement, it seems Notre Dame was like the main proponent and influencer promoting the movement, and totally ignoring and/or misinterpreting and manipulating the Bible to dress it up as a Biblically supported movement. This is significant as the Church going demographic in America is a large percentage of the population and could have a huge influence on elections at all levels, not just local elections and not just national elections but all the way around. They could have huge influence in a lot of towns and counties and even entire states and of course on the national level.

So when the Christian demographic is as divided as the country is, and Notre Dame is arguably more to blame for this than any other university in the country, in part because Notre Dame was arguably the leader of the movement from further back than any other school can claim and has been the #1 producer of SJW leaders and SJWs in general and they have been arguably the leading supporter of the Social Justice movement in the country. An entire religion sees what Notre Dame does and can be influenced by it's actions, such as honoring people like Barack Obama and Joe Biden.
 

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Well, I agree that the vast majority of colleges have shifted way too far to the left, including Minnesota, and so it may seem like I am being unfair when criticizing Notre Dame as I do, but two things, UMn is a public university and Leftists make up a large percentage of the population of Minnesota, where as Notre Dame is supposed to be, not only "a" Catholic University, but it's President has claimed it's "the most catholic university", so I don't think as a Christian that it's wrong for me to hold Notre Dame to a higher standard.

Second, when you trace the history of the Social Justice Movement, it seems Notre Dame was like the main proponent and influencer promoting the movement, and totally ignoring and/or misinterpreting and manipulating the Bible to dress it up as a Biblically supported movement. This is significant as the Church going demographic in America is a large percentage of the population and could have a huge influence on elections at all levels, not just local elections and not just national elections but all the way around. They could have huge influence in a lot of towns and counties and even entire states and of course on the national level.

So when the Christian demographic is as divided as the country is, and Notre Dame is arguably more to blame for this than any other university in the country, in part because Notre Dame was arguably the leader of the movement from further back than any other school can claim and has been the #1 producer of SJW leaders and SJWs in general and they have been arguably the leading supporter of the Social Justice movement in the country. An entire religion sees what Notre Dame does and can be influenced by its actions, such as honoring people like Barack Obama and Joe Biden.
You keep zeroing on the fact that ND is a Catholic school. I grew up Catholic, went to Catholic grade and high schools but by the time I started college I already had no use for any religion. My reasons are many, but I will state one. Churches of all denominations seem to always being asking members to pray for a cure (insert your favorite disease). Must not be praying hard enough since according to their beliefs God created everything and that would include said disease. If God wanted to get rid of the disease he would.
In addition, the Catholic church's hierarchy around the world usually support socialist causes (including the current pope,, at least until the socialist and/or communist takeover and they find themselves on the outside looking in.
Church's often have a prayer for the "dearly departed". I thought about that for a while until I realized what I was thought. If you die you either go to heaven or hell. If the 'dearly departed" went to hell it is too late for them and if they went to heaven, it is a waste of time.

So, I look at any university for two things, does it give students a good education and head start in the world. ND does that better than the majority of schools. Intelligent college students will dismiss the "social indoctrination" when they leave school and face the real world. The less intelligent go into politic as democrats.
 

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You keep zeroing on the fact that ND is a Catholic school. I grew up Catholic, went to Catholic grade and high schools but by the time I started college I already had no use for any religion. My reasons are many, but I will state one. Churches of all denominations seem to always being asking members to pray for a cure (insert your favorite disease). Must not be praying hard enough since according to their beliefs God created everything and that would include said disease. If God wanted to get rid of the disease he would.
In addition, the Catholic church's hierarchy around the world usually support socialist causes (including the current pope,, at least until the socialist and/or communist takeover and they find themselves on the outside looking in.
Church's often have a prayer for the "dearly departed". I thought about that for a while until I realized what I was thought. If you die you either go to heaven or hell. If the 'dearly departed" went to hell it is too late for them and if they went to heaven, it is a waste of time.

So, I look at any university for two things, does it give students a good education and head start in the world. ND does that better than the majority of schools. Intelligent college students will dismiss the "social indoctrination" when they leave school and face the real world. The less intelligent go into politic as democrats.
We definitely don't agree about everything, but we do agree about a lot of things. Those last 2 sentences I absolutely agree with. The stuff about the Catholic hierarchy supporting Socialism rings very true and that baffles me, it doesn't make sense, especially in light of what you ended that thought with, that they always end up finding themselves on the outside looking in. And you make a great point about the praying for the dearly departed thing. I know that way back in the day Catholics used to teach or believe or maybe they just sold the idea of purgatory, and that you could pray or pay for your relatives to get out of purgatory and into heaven. Always figured that just a total scam. Also, the whole thing about people praying for cures and/or for people to heal and such, I get your point. I can see and understand where most of your doubts about religion/Christianity come from and I don't fault you for having them. I have some very particular and personal things that have led me to still believe and if you are curious, I can tell you sometime, if I don't get banned from this site first, lol. I am trying to stay on topic in threads but my haters try hard to get me to go off topic. They are obsessed, it's frustrating to others, to me I think it's both hilarious and sad. I'd bet that all of them are Leftists or at least left leaning politically, and I think it's telling that so many Leftists won't admit to being Leftists or are so unaware that they possibly don't even realize it?

Where I do disagree with you is on the quality of education that schools like ND and UMn are giving. ND is primarily an undergraduate education center and UMn is to a large degree as well, and because of both of their far leftist leanings are doing those undergrads more of a disservice than anything. The only positive is the stupid piece of paper they get for graduating and the system has been designed in the past for those degrees to open doors that otherwise wouldn't be opened to them. And a ND degree a bit more than a UMn degree opens a lot of doors, but that is all those degrees do really. Those graduates have more information stuffed into their brains but their indoctrination by the leftist professors have them thinking and reasoning so badly it's got to hold them back from reaching their potential. Once you get beyond the undergraduate level, then I think UMn is much better than ND at producing quality graduates, and the post grad educations they get are more focused and precise and hence more able to not be negatively affected by the Leftist tilt of the professors, imo. They still think badly, but just not as much and they get in their own ways less. But my opinion could be biased of course, lol. I grew up loving the Gophers and the things I've learned about both Catholicism and then Notre Dame just turn my stomach and so my loathing of ND is a feeling I just can't shake. And I do zero in on ND's being Catholic, because there are a lot of Catholics out there in the world that I do respect. I still disagree with them about religious specifics, but back in the 80s, the Catholics were leaders in the Pro-Life movement and conservative minded Catholics today are a force for positive things and so I choose not to quarrel with them about those religious specifics in general as we need to join together and fight against the Leftists trying to screw up the whole world. So I stick to picking on left leaning Catholicism, which ND, in my mind, sort of represents.

So as you grew up Catholic, I don't fault you for being a ND fan, same as me, though the Univ of Minnesota keeps moving further and further left, I find it hard to stop being a Gopher fan, so we are in a similar boat in that regards.
 

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We definitely don't agree about everything, but we do agree about a lot of things. Those last 2 sentences I absolutely agree with. The stuff about the Catholic hierarchy supporting Socialism rings very true and that baffles me, it doesn't make sense, especially in light of what you ended that thought with, that they always end up finding themselves on the outside looking in. And you make a great point about the praying for the dearly departed thing. I know that way back in the day Catholics used to teach or believe or maybe they just sold the idea of purgatory, and that you could pray or pay for your relatives to get out of purgatory and into heaven. Always figured that just a total scam. Also, the whole thing about people praying for cures and/or for people to heal and such, I get your point. I can see and understand where most of your doubts about religion/Christianity come from and I don't fault you for having them. I have some very particular and personal things that have led me to still believe and if you are curious, I can tell you sometime, if I don't get banned from this site first, lol. I am trying to stay on topic in threads but my haters try hard to get me to go off topic. They are obsessed, it's frustrating to others, to me I think it's both hilarious and sad. I'd bet that all of them are Leftists or at least left leaning politically, and I think it's telling that so many Leftists won't admit to being Leftists or are so unaware that they possibly don't even realize it?

Where I do disagree with you is on the quality of education that schools like ND and UMn are giving. ND is primarily an undergraduate education center and UMn is to a large degree as well, and because of both of their far leftist leanings are doing those undergrads more of a disservice than anything. The only positive is the stupid piece of paper they get for graduating and the system has been designed in the past for those degrees to open doors that otherwise wouldn't be opened to them. And a ND degree a bit more than a UMn degree opens a lot of doors, but that is all those degrees do really. Those graduates have more information stuffed into their brains but their indoctrination by the leftist professors have them thinking and reasoning so badly it's got to hold them back from reaching their potential. Once you get beyond the undergraduate level, then I think UMn is much better than ND at producing quality graduates, and the post grad educations they get are more focused and precise and hence more able to not be negatively affected by the Leftist tilt of the professors, imo. They still think badly, but just not as much and they get in their own ways less. But my opinion could be biased of course, lol. I grew up loving the Gophers and the things I've learned about both Catholicism and then Notre Dame just turn my stomach and so my loathing of ND is a feeling I just can't shake. And I do zero in on ND's being Catholic, because there are a lot of Catholics out there in the world that I do respect. I still disagree with them about religious specifics, but back in the 80s, the Catholics were leaders in the Pro-Life movement and conservative minded Catholics today are a force for positive things and so I choose not to quarrel with them about those religious specifics in general as we need to join together and fight against the Leftists trying to screw up the whole world. So I stick to picking on left leaning Catholicism, which ND, in my mind, sort of represents.

So as you grew up Catholic, I don't fault you for being a ND fan, same as me, though the Univ of Minnesota keeps moving further and further left, I find it hard to stop being a Gopher fan, so we are in a similar boat in that regards.
When my daughter was picking schools in 2000, I wanted her to go to ND. They did not have her desired major at the time (Biomedical Engineering) and she went to Washington University in St. Louis.
As time passed, and from my business life experience, I determined that there are only three schools that are worth money. They are Harvard, Yale and Notre Dame. The logic of my reasoning is based on the "good ole' boy" network that kicks in after graduation on the local, regional, country and international level. Of all the great schools none (not Stanford, the other 6 Ivies, Rice, Northwestern, Vanderbilt, Wash U,, U of Chicago, Emory, Rochester, Johns Hopkins, Case Western, Carnegie Mellon, NYU) can match the tightness of that network.
 

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My complaint about Notre Dame is that they are a pretty good team that consistently is overrated, so they get championship / playoff berths that they have no business being in. They do reasonably well in bowl games against other pretty good teams, but in games for championships, their recent history is pretty dismal:
2020: Alabama 31 Notre Dame 14
2018: Clemson 30 Notre Dame 3
2012: Alabama 42 Notre Dame 14

How do you make a Notre Dame omelette?
Put them in a bowl that's too big for them and beat them soundly for three hours.
 

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My complaint about Notre Dame is that they are a pretty good team that consistently is overrated, so they get championship / playoff berths that they have no business being in. They do reasonably well in bowl games against other pretty good teams, but in games for championships, their recent history is pretty dismal:
2020: Alabama 31 Notre Dame 14
2018: Clemson 30 Notre Dame 3
2012: Alabama 42 Notre Dame 14

How do you make a Notre Dame omelette?
Put them in a bowl that's too big for them and beat them soundly for three hours.
They also beat Ohio State 52-24 in 2020 so yeah that Alabama team was smoking everyone.
 
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