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Alvin Kamara - B grade. Kamara is one of the best receiving backs in the NFL at the moment, and has very little wear on his body. While $15M per is steep for a runningback, he's young, and with Brees likely heading out in 1-2 years it will be a TREMENDOUS help for a young/new QB. I can't give this an A grade as $15M per is not a bargain, but it warrants a higher end grade given Kamara's upside, and the fact that the Saints will likely have a CHEAP QB position for the majority of his contract.

Dalvin Cook - F grade. I rarely give out Fs, but this is just a stupid signing. Dalvin Cook has missed almost 20 games in just 3 years. He's very talented, but outside of last year he couldn't stay healthy (and he STILL missed games last year). The Vikings had a decent draft, but it's not like their window is closing and San Fran, Seattle, New Orleans, Tampa are all better teams on paper at the moment. Again, why the HELL are you giving Dalvin Cook that much money? I know he came about $2.5M cheaper than Kamara, but this was the reason I did NOT want Seattle to sign Clowney long term who had a dubious injury history and took plays off. There was quite a bit of locker dissatisfaction from Minny's offense next year so who knows if Cook will just mail it in, I'm willing to bet he does given the past injury issues.

Cooper Cupp - B- grade. I don't think Cooper Kupp deserves $16M per year, but he's clearly a crutch for Jared Goof (yes we went from Goff back to Goof) and rebounded after his injury. Kupp is not what I'd consider an elite talent, but this is only a 3 year contract and again he's a target that Goof is comfortable with and works fine in McVay's offense. I certainly can't give this an A because it's nowhere near a bargain and the Rams are going to be cap starved again, but I can't go in the C range because it's only 3 years. It would've made more sense for the Rams to spend money on OL help instead of Kupp as Goff is not a good QB under pressure and it showed in 2019.
 

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I agree. All are overpaid imo. You find weapons especially RB’s. Kupp and Cook are injury prone and Kamara is a great player but not worth the top 3 money. In a couple years these numbers might look good but it depends on the player. A RB like Zeke or CM I am up for paying but that is rare.
 

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The Vikings had a decent draft, but it's not like their window is closing and San Fran, Seattle, New Orleans, Tampa are all better teams on paper at the moment.

Debatable....Sea was basically an 8 win team last year that lucked out to 11 wins.
 

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Alvin Kamara - B grade. Kamara is one of the best receiving backs in the NFL at the moment, and has very little wear on his body. While $15M per is steep for a runningback, he's young, and with Brees likely heading out in 1-2 years it will be a TREMENDOUS help for a young/new QB. I can't give this an A grade as $15M per is not a bargain, but it warrants a higher end grade given Kamara's upside, and the fact that the Saints will likely have a CHEAP QB position for the majority of his contract.

Dalvin Cook - F grade. I rarely give out Fs, but this is just a stupid signing. Dalvin Cook has missed almost 20 games in just 3 years. He's very talented, but outside of last year he couldn't stay healthy (and he STILL missed games last year). The Vikings had a decent draft, but it's not like their window is closing and San Fran, Seattle, New Orleans, Tampa are all better teams on paper at the moment. Again, why the HELL are you giving Dalvin Cook that much money? I know he came about $2.5M cheaper than Kamara, but this was the reason I did NOT want Seattle to sign Clowney long term who had a dubious injury history and took plays off. There was quite a bit of locker dissatisfaction from Minny's offense next year so who knows if Cook will just mail it in, I'm willing to bet he does given the past injury issues.

Cooper Cupp - B- grade. I don't think Cooper Kupp deserves $16M per year, but he's clearly a crutch for Jared Goof (yes we went from Goff back to Goof) and rebounded after his injury. Kupp is not what I'd consider an elite talent, but this is only a 3 year contract and again he's a target that Goof is comfortable with and works fine in McVay's offense. I certainly can't give this an A because it's nowhere near a bargain and the Rams are going to be cap starved again, but I can't go in the C range because it's only 3 years. It would've made more sense for the Rams to spend money on OL help instead of Kupp as Goff is not a good QB under pressure and it showed in 2019.
Clearly goffs crutch? Did u watch the second half of last season where he spent more time blocking? While
Higbee and woods were the apple of goffs eye? Come on brah’ can’t give grades without knowing what’s up!
 

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Clearly goffs crutch? Did u watch the second half of last season where he spent more time blocking? While
Higbee and woods were the apple of goffs eye? Come on brah’ can’t give grades without knowing what’s up!

He had 5 TDs in his last 5 games... the Rams had him block a bit more because the Rams offensive line sucks ass and Seattle/Arizona/Dallas (and to a lesser extent San Fran) who they played 4 times out of the last half of the season were basically the worst tight end defenders in the entire league. Tight ends dominated all 3 of those teams which is why Seattle spent so much to acquire Adams and draft Brooks.

The fuck are you on about Steelers?
 

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Debatable....Sea was basically an 8 win team last year that lucked out to 11 wins.

San Fran was basically a division runner up last year until they lucked out into the NFC Championship because half of Seattle's offense went down in the final 3 games of the season.

See how that works?
 

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San Fran was basically a division runner up last year until they lucked out into the NFC Championship because half of Seattle's offense went down in the final 3 games of the season.

See how that works?
It doesn't work that way. Sea last year was +7 in point differential for the entire year. That isn't an 11 win team...not even close. SF was +179. Don't give me this stupidity about injuries....there were a lot of missed games for Niner player last year. They were CLEARLY better, and it's not even debatable.

Besides....this ain't about SF...it's about Minny....and you couldn't even respond to that.
 

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He had 5 TDs in his last 5 games... the Rams had him block a bit more because the Rams offensive line sucks ass and Seattle/Arizona/Dallas (and to a lesser extent San Fran) who they played 4 times out of the last half of the season were basically the worst tight end defenders in the entire league. Tight ends dominated all 3 of those teams which is why Seattle spent so much to acquire Adams and draft Brooks.

The fuck are you on about Steelers?
YeH he caught some touchdowns....

Weeks 11-16
higbee had 62 targets
Woods had 68 targets
Kupp had 40.... little more to it. The rams switched the schemes up a bit, found success. So yes kupp caught the tds but became the 3–4 in the pecking order. Wasn’t just the opponent. It was the fact that Mcvay went to 12 personnel and boom ,goff Could play again.
 

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YeH he caught some touchdowns....

Weeks 11-16
higbee had 62 targets
Woods had 68 targets
Kupp had 40.... little more to it. The rams switched the schemes up a bit, found success. So yes kupp caught the tds but became the 3–4 in the pecking order. Wasn’t just the opponent. It was the fact that Mcvay went to 12 personnel and boom ,goff Could play again.

They scored 34 more points in the first half of the season than the second half and went 5-3 vs. 4-4. They switched up their scheme a bit and found success? I think you need a 'didn't' in there (at least referring to the offense).
 

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It doesn't work that way. Sea last year was +7 in point differential for the entire year. That isn't an 11 win team...not even close. SF was +179. Don't give me this stupidity about injuries....there were a lot of missed games for Niner player last year. They were CLEARLY better, and it's not even debatable.

Besides....this ain't about SF...it's about Minny....and you couldn't even respond to that.

Quite a few analysts and sites along with all Vegas odds have Seattle as a better team to start this year, which was what I wrote (on paper, and the Saints/Bucs/49ers/Seahawks are all ON PAPER and by odds, a better team).

Your original post critiquing Seattle and saying they were a mediocre team and got lucky last year and are 'debatable' as to being a worse team than Minnesota is just troll fuel as basically nobody with an IQ over 70 thinks that. Typical of you 9er fans, completely off point and just looking to stir up drama.

You done being a douche?
 

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They scored 34 more points in the first half of the season than the second half and went 5-3 vs. 4-4. They switched up their scheme a bit and found success? I think you need a 'didn't' in there (at least referring to the offense)
Ahhh box scores. They always tell the whole story....

what’s different first half to second half? In regards to opponents, and passing numbers....
 

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Ahhh box scores. They always tell the whole story....

what’s different first half to second half? In regards to opponents, and passing numbers....

I already told you non-box score information penis face. Basically LA went up against 3 teams (AZ TWICE) 4 times in the second half that ranked the WORST against tight ends (literally top 3 worst coverage against tight ends in the NFL - SEA/DAL/ARZ), so ZERO surprise Higbee would be the target those times.

Kupp is a better blocker than Woods, so to your point it made sense to keep him blocking since Jared Goof had a terrible blocking unit last year and is below average against pressure to allow the tight end to run free because the teams LA was going against were atrocious against defending that position. Even then, Kupp still found a way to be productive (hence the TDs).

It's not like I gave it some A+ grade... I really don't know what your point is at this time.
 

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Alvin Kamara - B grade. Kamara is one of the best receiving backs in the NFL at the moment, and has very little wear on his body. While $15M per is steep for a runningback, he's young, and with Brees likely heading out in 1-2 years it will be a TREMENDOUS help for a young/new QB. I can't give this an A grade as $15M per is not a bargain, but it warrants a higher end grade given Kamara's upside, and the fact that the Saints will likely have a CHEAP QB position for the majority of his contract.

Dalvin Cook - F grade. I rarely give out Fs, but this is just a stupid signing. Dalvin Cook has missed almost 20 games in just 3 years. He's very talented, but outside of last year he couldn't stay healthy (and he STILL missed games last year). The Vikings had a decent draft, but it's not like their window is closing and San Fran, Seattle, New Orleans, Tampa are all better teams on paper at the moment. Again, why the HELL are you giving Dalvin Cook that much money? I know he came about $2.5M cheaper than Kamara, but this was the reason I did NOT want Seattle to sign Clowney long term who had a dubious injury history and took plays off. There was quite a bit of locker dissatisfaction from Minny's offense next year so who knows if Cook will just mail it in, I'm willing to bet he does given the past injury issues.

Cooper Cupp - B- grade. I don't think Cooper Kupp deserves $16M per year, but he's clearly a crutch for Jared Goof (yes we went from Goff back to Goof) and rebounded after his injury. Kupp is not what I'd consider an elite talent, but this is only a 3 year contract and again he's a target that Goof is comfortable with and works fine in McVay's offense. I certainly can't give this an A because it's nowhere near a bargain and the Rams are going to be cap starved again, but I can't go in the C range because it's only 3 years. It would've made more sense for the Rams to spend money on OL help instead of Kupp as Goff is not a good QB under pressure and it showed in 2019.
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I already told you non-box score information penis face. Basically LA went up against 3 teams (AZ TWICE) 4 times in the second half that ranked the WORST against tight ends (literally top 3 worst coverage against tight ends in the NFL - SEA/DAL/ARZ), so ZERO surprise Higbee would be the target those times.

Kupp is a better blocker than Woods, so to your point it made sense to keep him blocking since Jared Goof had a terrible blocking unit last year and is below average against pressure to allow the tight end to run free because the teams LA was going against were atrocious against defending that position. Even then, Kupp still found a way to be productive (hence the TDs).

It's not like I gave it some A+ grade... I really don't know what your point is at this time.
well ok if you're gonna be a dick...thought we were gonna have a discussion but you went all asshat........you went with the TE argument, then went with total points and record....neglecting teams player, passing statistics etc.....

but ok. You win.
 

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well ok if you're gonna be a dick...thought we were gonna have a discussion but you went all asshat........you went with the TE argument, then went with total points and record....neglecting teams player, passing statistics etc.....

but ok. You win.

Oh Jesus Steelers, you know I generally enjoy conversations with you but I really have no idea what you are talking about at this point (and I mean that as respectfully as possible as that might sound).

To further elaborate:

I went with the TE argument? Well you blasted me for looking at stats, and then you blasted me again for ignoring stats and saying the teams the Rams were playing against had defenses that could barely defend against tight ends (even San Fran was middle of the road). You brought up a great point that Higbee was a staple in the offense and highly utilized in the second half. It's a VERY valid point but Higbee was the best choice. As was Woods who was on par with Kupp but with Kupp being the better blocker and LAs deteriorating and atrocious line last year (which is one reason they ranked so poorly this year) that makes sense they kept him in to block a bit more.

I mean what do you want me to say at this point? Again I never really understood your opposition to my post to begin with. I gave a B- grade, said Kupp is not worth the money, but the saving grace is it's 3 years and Kupp seemed to be a decent crutch for Goff as he still accumulated over 1,000 yards and 10 TDs... and because it's ONLY 3 years, I was grading it slightly above average.
 

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Oh Jesus Steelers, you know I generally enjoy conversations with you but I really have no idea what you are talking about at this point (and I mean that as respectfully as possible as that might sound).

To further elaborate:

I went with the TE argument? Well you blasted me for looking at stats, and then you blasted me again for ignoring stats and saying the teams the Rams were playing against had defenses that could barely defend against tight ends (even San Fran was middle of the road). You brought up a great point that Higbee was a staple in the offense and highly utilized in the second half. It's a VERY valid point but Higbee was the best choice. As was Woods who was on par with Kupp but with Kupp being the better blocker and LAs deteriorating and atrocious line last year (which is one reason they ranked so poorly this year) that makes sense they kept him in to block a bit more.

I mean what do you want me to say at this point? Again I never really understood your opposition to my post to begin with. I gave a B- grade, said Kupp is not worth the money, but the saving grace is it's 3 years and Kupp seemed to be a decent crutch for Goff as he still accumulated over 1,000 yards and 10 TDs... and because it's ONLY 3 years, I was grading it slightly above average.
ok, welll considering i made 3 comments prior to you not understanding what im talking about at this point.......one being the original comment that kupp was used more as a blocker the second half of the season and was not clearly goffs crutch(you understood that post)........Second one listed targets the last 6 games and mentioned 12 personnel....im not sure how it got so long winded that you couldnt understand. I also never "blasted you"........good day sir.
 

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ok, welll considering i made 3 comments prior to you not understanding what im talking about at this point.......one being the original comment that kupp was used more as a blocker the second half of the season and was not clearly goffs crutch(you understood that post)........Second one listed targets the last 6 games and mentioned 12 personnel....im not sure how it got so long winded that you couldnt understand. I also never "blasted you"........good day sir.

I understand what you're talking about. Per you, Kupp spent more time blocking the second half and was not Goff's crutch and I also read your second comment saying that the Rams changed some things around and it worked better for them. I also read from you that I'm just quoting box scores which implies I didn't watch much of the Rams despite me actually watching quite a bit of them given LA is in Seattle's division and I owned Kupp in fantasy.

Kupp was clearly the most targeted in the first part of the season, had a higher reception rate than Woods, more TDs, etc. The Rams were a bit more successful doing this. IMO the fact he was kept in to block was probably done to help Goff actually stay on two feet for more than a few seconds, and ALSO didn't really work, because it removed a receiving threat and comfort level that led to a worse record than when they were sending Kupp out.

I clearly read your posts, understanding exactly what you're saying, but don't understand your general disagreement and 'without knowing what's up' comment.

@SJ76 @Retroram52 can you weigh in on this? I know it's a lot to read through but I need to know if I'm off base here.
 
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I understand what you're talking about. Per you, Kupp spent more time blocking the second half and was not Goff's crutch and I also read your second comment saying that the Rams changed some things around and it worked better for them. I also read from you that I'm just quoting box scores which implies I didn't watch much of the Rams despite me actually watching quite a bit of them given LA is in Seattle's division and I owned Kupp in fantasy.

Kupp was clearly the most targeted in the first part of the season, had a higher reception rate than Woods, more TDs, etc. The Rams were a bit more successful doing this. IMO the fact he was kept in to block was probably done to help Goff actually stay on two feet for more than a few seconds, and ALSO didn't really work, because it removed a receiving threat and comfort level that led to a worse record than when they were sending Kupp out.

I clearly read your posts, understanding exactly what you're saying, but don't understand your general disagreement and 'without knowing what's up' comment.

@SJ76 @Retroram52 can you weigh in on this? I know it's a lot to read through but I need to know if I'm off base here.

SJ is taking a break from the site. I think the rams were kind of strapped at this price range due to Brandin Cooks getting that much from the Texans. Im just glad he didn't want more because he's pretty much Goff's blanket.
 

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I understand what you're talking about. Per you, Kupp spent more time blocking the second half and was not Goff's crutch and I also read your second comment saying that the Rams changed some things around and it worked better for them. I also read from you that I'm just quoting box scores which implies I didn't watch much of the Rams despite me actually watching quite a bit of them given LA is in Seattle's division and I owned Kupp in fantasy.

Kupp was clearly the most targeted in the first part of the season, had a higher reception rate than Woods, more TDs, etc. The Rams were a bit more successful doing this. IMO the fact he was kept in to block was probably done to help Goff actually stay on two feet for more than a few seconds, and ALSO didn't really work, because it removed a receiving threat and comfort level that led to a worse record than when they were sending Kupp out.

I clearly read your posts, understanding exactly what you're saying, but don't understand your general disagreement and 'without knowing what's up' comment.

@SJ76 @Retroram52 can you weigh in on this? I know it's a lot to read through but I need to know if I'm off base here.
Shark I’m seriously just messing with you man.

I was just giving you shit.

kupp has been goffs guy.

I do disagree that they change to 12 personnel was merely matchup based. I think the line stinks, they found something in higbee , and kupp blocking more worked out. We will see though. I’m not the only one there is many articles out there posing the question of the rams going to more 12. But again, I very Well

I also think goffs numbers first half to second half are definitely different. First half total points was aided by some really bad teams.


Regardless, I was merely just giving you shit to begin with because, i Like you, and like BS’n with u.

seriously.....

i Would give u an I love you man emoji but it’s gone, so I gave you the finger
 

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Shark I’m seriously just messing with you man.

I was just giving you shit.

kupp has been goffs guy.

I do disagree that they change to 12 personnel was merely matchup based. I think the line stinks, they found something in higbee , and kupp blocking more worked out. We will see though. I’m not the only one there is many articles out there posing the question of the rams going to more 12. But again, I very Well

I also think goffs numbers first half to second half are definitely different. First half total points was aided by some really bad teams.


Regardless, I was merely just giving you shit to begin with because, i Like you, and like BS’n with u.

seriously.....

i Would give u an I love you man emoji but it’s gone, so I gave you the finger

Oh.... you... bastard...
 
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