More trivia

[obxyankeefan]

In-between Righetti's and Abbott's no hitters the Yankees had a no hitter thrown by Andy Hawkins. That was later disallowed because of a rule change in what a no hitter is. Hawkin's No-No was only 8 innings in a game the Yankees lost.

 

[Cedrique]

I'm not a "unwritten rules" guy but the 9th inning bunt attempt by lofton against the one-hand pitcher seems pretty Bush League.

 

[calsnowskier]

I'm not a "unwritten rules" guy but the 9th inning bunt attempt by lofton against the one-hand pitcher seems pretty Bush League.

I TOTALLY disagree. If the opponent has a hole in their game, you best attack that hole. Hack-a-Shaq worked because Shaq REFUSED to work on his free throw shooting. The other teams should not allow someone to have a flaw that isn’t attacked.

 

[Cedrique]

I TOTALLY disagree. If the opponent has a hole in their game, you best attack that hole. Hack-a-Shaq worked because Shaq REFUSED to work on his free throw shooting. The other teams should not allow someone to have a flaw that isn’t attacked.

So you wanted Abbott to work on growing another hand?

JK, I know what you're saying and I agree with you 99% of the time. But looking at the totality of this situation (down 4-0 in the 9th, eliminated from the playoffs, batting against a guy with one hand who has a no-hitter going) I didn't like the bunt attempt. Just my feeling on it. I guess what I'm saying is, I get the fans booing in this instance.

 

[calsnowskier]

So you wanted Abbott to work on growing another hand?

JK, I know what you're saying and I agree with you 99% of the time. But looking at the totality of this situation (down 4-0 in the 9th, eliminated from the playoffs, batting against a guy with one hand who has a no-hitter going) I didn't like the bunt attempt. Just my feeling on it. I guess what I'm saying is, I get the fans booing in this instance.

Fans will boo. They boo throws to first to keep the runner “honest”. You can’t apply any logic to the mob.

But they need base runners, so bunting to get a base runner is absolutely kosher. I have no problem with bunting to break up a no-hitter, ever.

 

[navamind]

That was also Jamie Moyer's rookie year

 

[Cedrique]

Fans will boo. They boo throws to first to keep the runner “honest”. You can’t apply any logic to the mob.

But they need base runners, so bunting to get a base runner is absolutely kosher. I have no problem with bunting to break up a no-hitter, ever.

I hear you. Like I said, I'm with you 99% of the time. I guess this is where my opinion becomes more of a gray area.

Anyway, here's something interesting that came up regarding "unwritten rules" or maybe just how we look at records and feats as being sacred. Coming into this season there were like 18 players who had hit 4 home runs in a game. One was Mike Schmidt. Schmidt is an occasional broadcaster for the Phillies and earlier this season a guy (I think it was Eugeno Suarez) had hit 4 in a game and was coming up to bat in the 8th or 9th against a position player. Schmidt, who is normally pretty laid back on a broadcast seemed visibly annoyed that he would have a chance to hit his 5th against a non pitcher. I don't remember exactly what he said or what he wanted to happen (walk the guy?) but it was pretty funny.

I'm not sure what my point is or if it warrants discussion but it is interesting since 3 players hit 4 homers in a game this year and 2 of them that I know of faced a position player going for their 5th, so I could see it happening again.

 

[calsnowskier]

I hear you. Like I said, I'm with you 99% of the time. I guess this is where my opinion becomes more of a gray area.

Anyway, here's something interesting that came up regarding "unwritten rules" or maybe just how we look at records and feats as being sacred. Coming into this season there were like 18 players who had hit 4 home runs in a game. One was Mike Schmidt. Schmidt is an occasional broadcaster for the Phillies and earlier this season a guy (I think it was Eugeno Suarez) had hit 4 in a game and was coming up to bat in the 8th or 9th against a position player. Schmidt, who is normally pretty laid back on a broadcast seemed visibly annoyed that he would have a chance to hit his 5th against a non pitcher. I don't remember exactly what he said or what he wanted to happen (walk the guy?) but it was pretty funny.

I'm not sure what my point is or if it warrants discussion but it is interesting since 3 players hit 4 homers in a game this year and 2 of them that I know of faced a position player going for their 5th, so I could see it happening again.

The regularity of position players taking the mound the last few years is an evolution of the game I am not fond of. However, I am more against the rules that have been implemented to curb it than I am of its occurrence in the first place. I don’t like that players are now officially designated as a “pitcher” or a “non-pitcher”. Players should just be “players”. I don’t like that there is a different IL for pitchers and non-pitchers. I don’t like that are restrictions for how many pitchers can be on the 26.

See the slippery slope that the DH got us on?

 

[Cedrique]

The regularity of position players taking the mound the last few years is an evolution of the game I am not fond of. However, I am more against the rules that have been implemented to curb it than I am of its occurrence in the first place. I don’t like that players are now officially designated as a “pitcher” or a “non-pitcher”. Players should just be “players”. I don’t like that there is a different IL for pitchers and non-pitchers. I don’t like that are restrictions for how many pitchers can be on the 26.

See the slippery slope that the DH got us on?

I didn't realize they had those limitations existed. It's a crazy new world

 

[calsnowskier]

I didn't realize they had those limitations existed. It's a crazy new world

There are restrictions on when a team is able to put in a “position player” to pitch. I think the lead needs to be 7 runs???

There are also these rule changes in the last few years that define a hard difference between a hitter and pitcher…

Hitter IL is 10 days while the pitcher IL is 15 days
There is a limitation on 26 roster configuration (I believe teams are restricted to no more than 14 pitchers??)
The Ohtani rule for the DH

Before about 5 years ago, there was no difference at all between a hitter and a pitcher. They were just bodies to be used however the team wanted to use them. And the DH position COULD be used for any of the 9 positions on the field (I don’t believe it was EVER used for a non-pitcher, but the option existed), where as now, the DH can only be used for the pitcher.

 

[Moab]

 

[calsnowskier]

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LOL

A ball lands in the “stands”, but is ruled a ground rule double.

The game was certainly different back then.

 

[PolarVortex]

The 2025 MLB season is on the verge of accomplishing something that has only been done in two other seasons in its 156 year history. When Shosei Ohgambli hits his next homerun, it will be number 50. That will give the 2025 MLB season three 50 homerun hitters. Only two other seasons have featured at least three players that hit 50 or more homeruns. Can you name the seasons? Bonus points if you can name the players that hit them. Super duper nerd points if you can name how many they hit.

Not so helpful hint: you don't have to look earlier than 1938. 1938 was the first season that featured more than one 50+ homerun hitter when Hank Greenburg and Jimmie Foxx both went yard 50 times or more.

 

[obxyankeefan]

The 2025 MLB season is on the verge of accomplishing something that has only been done in two other seasons in its 156 year history. When Shosei Ohgambli hits his next homerun, it will be number 50. That will give the 2025 MLB season three 50 homerun hitters. Only two other seasons have featured at least three players that hit 50 or more homeruns. Can you name the seasons? Bonus points if you can name the players that hit them. Super duper nerd points if you can name how many they hit.

Not so helpful hint: you don't have to look earlier than 1938. 1938 was the first season that featured more than one 50+ homerun hitter when Hank Greenburg and Jimmie Foxx both went yard 50 times or more.

2001 is the easy one Bonds had 73, Sosa had I believe 66 and Luis Gonzalez had 58. I would say a second one would be 1998 with McGwire, Sosa and I think Griffey

 

[PolarVortex]

2001 is the easy one Bonds had 73, Sosa had I believe 66 and Luis Gonzalez had 58. I would say a second one would be 1998 with McGwire, Sosa and I think Griffey

01 and 98 are correct.
Ruth was the first to hit 50+, in 1920.
Once the 50 homer barrier was conquered, the largest gap in 50+ homerun seasons was between 1977 (George Foster) and 1990 (Cecil Fielder).
50+ was only accomplished 18 times in the 75 years between 1920 and 1994.
In the last 30 years it has been accomplished 34 times.
It's been accomplished 16 times since players started being routinely tested for PEDs in 2005.
People do not tune into ESPN and other online sports networks to see bunts, place hitting, and small ball, and the evolution of baseball players has adjusted accordingly....even if we baseball purists hate it.

 

[calsnowskier]

01 and 98 are correct.
Ruth was the first to hit 50+, in 1920.
Once the 50 homer barrier was conquered, the largest gap in 50+ homerun seasons was between 1977 (George Foster) and 1990 (Cecil Fielder).
50+ was only accomplished 18 times in the 75 years between 1920 and 1994.
In the last 30 years it has been accomplished 34 times.
It's been accomplished 16 times since players started being routinely tested for PEDs in 2005.
People do not tune into ESPN and other online sports networks to see bunts, place hitting, and small ball, and the evolution of baseball players has adjusted accordingly....even if we baseball purists hate it.

I suspect…

 

[obxyankeefan]

01 and 98 are correct.
Ruth was the first to hit 50+, in 1920.
Once the 50 homer barrier was conquered, the largest gap in 50+ homerun seasons was between 1977 (George Foster) and 1990 (Cecil Fielder).
50+ was only accomplished 18 times in the 75 years between 1920 and 1994.
In the last 30 years it has been accomplished 34 times.
It's been accomplished 16 times since players started being routinely tested for PEDs in 2005.
People do not tune into ESPN and other online sports networks to see bunts, place hitting, and small ball, and the evolution of baseball players has adjusted accordingly....even if we baseball purists hate it.

The reason I give for Jordan and ESPN ruining basketball. All they showed was the dunks. Then all the
young kids coming up only wanted to dunk.

 

[Hunter Montana]

2001 is the easy one Bonds had 73, Sosa had I believe 66 and Luis Gonzalez had 58. I would say a second one would be 1998 with McGwire, Sosa and I think Griffey

Greg Vaughn also hit 50 in 1998.

 

[Moab]

 

[Moab]