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Thanks for posting that pretty funny article.

The CBA provision to limit spending in the drafts is a joke.
 

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The other question will be now that Doumit signed and was a type B. The old CBA they would have received end of 1st round pick. Now I bet these will be later and hurt the Pirates strategy even more.
 

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Oh wilbur. I feel bad for him sometimes. He seems to be a malcontent at times but at other times he has struck me as an apologist.
Well hes hit the nail on the head this time at least.
 
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I think getting rid of the comp picks helps the pirates, have to see what the tax is before we see how much it hurts our overslot draft strategy.
 

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The other question will be now that Doumit signed and was a type B. The old CBA they would have received end of 1st round pick. Now I bet these will be later and hurt the Pirates strategy even more.

I think it is still up in the air for this year, but I would think they would let the current system stand for this free agency season, then switch fully next year. At least that would be the logical thing to do, Selig and his crew are mentally handicapped when it comes to making logical decisions, though.
 
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Watched MLB network after the signing of the cba.

Gammons paraphrased, This year the pirates signed Cole for 8 and Bell for 6(I know it was 5) so now since they cant spend big money on elite amateurs, they signed Barmes to a 2yr 10.5 million dollar contract. They have to do something with the revenue sharing money.

Then, some guy from si forget his name said the draft pool will be high enough that it wont make that big of an impact. I guess we have to see the numbers to see whats really going to happen.

On the bright side, we get a 60% chance of getting a comp pick in between the 1st and 2nd round every season for being a small market team(bottom 10 teams in revenue have a lottery for 6 picks). I think thats right I'm sure it will be written somewhere soon.
 

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I see a lot of people who are ready to cut their wrist over this but i think those people are crazy. That is to include some big name journalists who couldnt stop their knee from jerking. Im working off my phone so i wont bother with copy pasta or links but heres how i feel about what ive heard:
There will be very little benefit for a player not to sign. Basically we can draft the bpa every time and give him the slot + 4.99 %. If he thinks as a number one player that hell convince next years drafting team to give him more than that then hes crazy. The only players who wont sign are the ones who think that they can significantly improve their draft position. Because of this i think most teams are going to avoid high school players. The quality of college baseball will improve dramatically and after a three year shake-out period youll see a new equilibrium. The pirates will lose out on guys like josh bell of course but what you should keep in mind is that it was only a matter of time before the yankees and red sox increased their draft budget to 20 million. Our supposed 'advantage' was going to go away regardless of what was decided in this cba. In the bargain weve arranged to have either 2 or 3 of the top 40 picks instead of our typical 2 out of the top 60. We will also be able to sign every player we pick since the penalties are applied on a pick by pick basis rather than the rumored first ten rounds deal.
 

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Yea, I don't know. I don't think it is Armageddon, although at first glace that was my reaction. But I do think this will drive some kids away from baseball, especially two-sport athletes, as it is a much quicker path to the highest level in almost every other sport. I don't think we will see many Bubba Starlings signing anymore.

But I think the implications as far as baseball only high schoolers willing to sign is completely up in the air. It might be a huge impact, and everyone goes to college, or no impact at all. The real winner is college baseball though, shame more kids will have their arms ruined by college coaches.
 

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Yeah it was a good article. At face value it does hurt the Pirates but like Illinest stated when do the RedSox and Yankees start over spending on drafts?

The international spending cap I really don't get they should just make the players enter a supplemental draft or be part of the regular draft.
 

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element, that was a good article, possibly the most glaring thing out of the whole article though was the picture. Notice the way all 3 are dressed? Two men wearing red ties looking professional and smiling, the other guy has no tie and looks like he just got screwed, and guess what, he did. At least now I can place blame on two people instead of just one. Can someone please force Bud Selig out before he degenerates this game any more. Michael Weiner needs to find a new profession as well.

While I am at it, if I were a college or high school baseball player with enough talent to be drafted, ie the top 200 prospects, I would petition and form a new union and get fair representation and fight this crap.

Hell, even the two things Weiner mentions as being points that he fought for and won seem to doom the Pirates in the long run, the increased super two means actual talented players will reach a point where the Pirates can't pay them a year earlier, meaning we get to see one less year of them, and the drop in compensation picks if we can keep them means that our chances from more picks also goes away.

For those who don't think this CBA is going to doom the Pirates forever, please explain to me how exactly it doesn't hurt them, long term or short term.
 

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That's what I was saying though. It changes things for the worse but it really only codifies things that I expected to happen anyways. The big market clubs weren't going to let us have a competitive advantage either way. I don't blame the CBA. It still relates at it's heart to the fact that the big market teams are in some cases racking up 4 times (or more) revenue than the Pirates.

I'm not happy with the CBA but I'm not freaking out about it either. Maybe I was the only one who was appropriately pessimistic? Frankly it's better than I expected it to be.
 

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element, that was a good article, possibly the most glaring thing out of the whole article though was the picture. Notice the way all 3 are dressed? Two men wearing red ties looking professional and smiling, the other guy has no tie and looks like he just got screwed, and guess what, he did. At least now I can place blame on two people instead of just one. Can someone please force Bud Selig out before he degenerates this game any more. Michael Weiner needs to find a new profession as well.

While I am at it, if I were a college or high school baseball player with enough talent to be drafted, ie the top 200 prospects, I would petition and form a new union and get fair representation and fight this crap.

Hell, even the two things Weiner mentions as being points that he fought for and won seem to doom the Pirates in the long run, the increased super two means actual talented players will reach a point where the Pirates can't pay them a year earlier, meaning we get to see one less year of them, and the drop in compensation picks if we can keep them means that our chances from more picks also goes away.

For those who don't think this CBA is going to doom the Pirates forever, please explain to me how exactly it doesn't hurt them, long term or short term.

I agree, I think the increased super two status is a big point, it should have actually been no more super two status for any players. But the MLBPA was so nice to "conceed" money of people who have no representation in the union, ie college, high school, and amatuer free agents, so they could get their increased super two status.

Anyway, I still think Selig is by far the worst of the comminsioners, and that the MLB is run even worse than the NBA, at least the NBA will take a stand for something, ie they want a cap, and are willing to fight for it. MLB just cruises through screwing any fan not located in New York, Boston, or LA along the way, then they pretend all is well because every once in a while a team defies the odds and doesnt' suck.

And the Pirates seemed to have been complicent in all of this, so they are as much to blame as anyone.
 

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That's what I was saying though. It changes things for the worse but it really only codifies things that I expected to happen anyways. The big market clubs weren't going to let us have a competitive advantage either way. I don't blame the CBA. It still relates at it's heart to the fact that the big market teams are in some cases racking up 4 times (or more) revenue than the Pirates.

I'm not happy with the CBA but I'm not freaking out about it either. Maybe I was the only one who was appropriately pessimistic? Frankly it's better than I expected it to be.

I was pessimistic, but the callous way the MLB talks about rampant spending in the draft is laughable and infuriating at the same time. Like they somehow conquered a demon that has been plaguing MLB, which they didn't they actually made it worse for most teams that are already at a disadvantage.

I'm glad Bud Selig is leaving, but hopefully they get someone with a vision in there. Even if there isn't a hard cap, they have to start sharing TV revenue in a more sane manner.
 
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Baseball America | Blog | Baseball America Draft Blog | Putting Draft Changes Under The Microscope

Competitive-balance lottery: In a new twist, the teams with the 10 lowest revenues and in the 10 smallest markets (there will be some overlap) will enter a lottery (weighted by winning percentage) for six supplemental picks immediately after the first round. Clubs that lose that lottery will go into a second lottery for six supplemental picks immediately after the second round. Also included in the second-round lottery will be any clubs that received money as part of baseball's revenue-sharing plan.

This gives less-advantaged teams the ability to grab an extra player and have a higher draft cap, though it doesn't come close to making up for no longer being able to spend as much as they want. By far the most interesting provision of the lottery is . . .


Hmm that means we will get a comp pick about every year. I wonder if we get 2 tickets in the lottery for being a double entry in the first round?

All the talking heads say they will look at it down the road and see if its working fairly, so maybe they can add a couple picks in the first 2 rounds of comp picks and add a "all 10/10 smallest" get a freebie at the end of the 3rd. That wouldnt be that big of a deal imo, and get us back about to the same place.
 

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I like the lottery... but it does not come close to going far enough... no teeth as it were...We need a luxury tax that has teeth... take the 7th or 8th highest salary in the game and make it the water mark... anything over that amount is taxable dollar for dollar over... So if the Yankees are 50 million over that mark they owe 50 million...

Never set it according to a dollar mark.. value of players has to change in a free market system of supply and demand. Making the top 7 or 8 teams pay in every year is about the only way to get a competitive balance....That money goes to the bottom 7 or 8 teams and you get a system that would actually make a difference.

Of course stipulations would have to be in place forcing those teams to spend the money .. on signing players.. the draft or maybe to help pay for their ball park if it is not publicly funded

This combined with the competitive draft lottery would go a long way towards making this happen.
 
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