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McCovey, please!!

Discussion in 'MLB Baseball Forum' started by Montalban, Dec 29, 2017.

  1. Montalban

    Montalban Well-Known Member

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    calsnowskier Sarcastic F-wad

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    WHOA!!! Willie McCovey is right, Barry Bonds does belong in the Hall!! I would agree that Bonds is an asshole, but he may have been the most feared player of all time. As far as steroid use, if Bonds was using (and he was) then I would have to believe a lot of players (the vast majority) were using. It is unfair to pick on a couple.
     
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  4. Montalban

    Montalban Well-Known Member

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    When you intentionally cheat you get no credit. he was good enough to get in without cheating but he chose to and now he's paying the price.
     
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    Voltaire26 Detroit Born and Raised

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    I believe people in the minors juiced as well as the majors .... baseball looked the other way,
     
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    JohnU Aristocratic Hoosier

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    It's not something that I will learn more about with continued discussion.
    If he gets into the Hall, fine.
    If not, we know why.
     
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    I blame fellow roiders Sammy Sosa and Mark McGwire, if they don't do what they did in 98 i'm not sure Barry roids up to get his day in the sun, he was already a lock first ballot HOFer. Sure he's an ass hole but he's the best player most of us have ever seen play.
     
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    Same excuse for murderers? Because everyone else did it its OK? Bonds got caught and now he's paying the price.
     
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    dougplayer D Back and ranger fans are GAF....

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    Yes Bonds cheated. Lot did. I like to see more exposed.
    But. McCovey made a good point. Always players were cheating. Taking speed pills back in 30s and 40s...always taking some thing. People laugh that off. I think the speed ballers just as dirty as the steroid users it is all PEDs
     
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    Zooky Who's this chucker?

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    If Rose is not in,neither should Barry,Sammy,Roger,Mark and a few others I can think of right off.........he cheated,he knows it and therefore you will not hear a peep out of him......Its kinda like Barry and rest of the guys I named sold their souls to the Devil years ago.......
     
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    How is this so hard for people to understand?

    There was no rule in baseball against PEDS until 2003. Giammotti mentioned in a memo in 1993 that players should not use them, but no rule was instituted and no testing or punishment was spelled out until ‘03.

    While no one doubts Bonds used, he never failed a legit MLB test.

    Rose broke the cardinal rule. He was not even the first player to get the lifetime ban.

    The two situations are not even comparable.
     
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    Also, it's pretty ironic that he says they "sold their souls" when Pete Rose gambled.
     
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    I actually agree with this. He could have been a first ballot HOFer but instead he gets in in the 7th or 8th year. That's a legit slap in the face, which he deserves. But he will, and must, get in.
     
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    Everybody knew Bonds was juicing and he was having great success, do people believe that many others were not considering the success that Bonds was having. MLB turned away because they were reaping the benefits. They advertised the McGwire and Sosa battle.
     
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    That excluded Pete Rose..........Sorry........my bad.
     
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    I don`t think Rose bet on his own team tho...........I would tend to think that would be more forgivable than taking peds to give yourself a better edge..........So your right,its two different things........

    And do they make something to mask that like my co-workers use to pass piss tests.....?.....You can but that stuff at your local drug stores...........
    And besides,I really think these guys do not care if they make the HOF,they made what they intended and that was money.........
     
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    Everyone was hoping it was a legit race that was fun to watch.........not even thinking about the use......
     
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    Voltaire26 Detroit Born and Raised

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    It was fun to watch ... Slammin' Sammy was awesome as was McGwire ... but we all knew ... to be fair though, they were batting against roided up pitchers.

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    I always suspected Sosa,but never thought McGwire used.Always thought he was a legit player.......And as far as pitchers,such as Clemens,does it really help them throw a ball faster...........?

    Btw.............nice pic.:thumb: