Discussion in 'Cincinnati Bengals' started by Be Weary of Query, Jan 13, 2020.
Put Burrow in bubble wrap
So what did you guys think of our shiny new QB?
I've been a fan of his for awhile now - but man, this season was other wordly.
I don't think he has an "elite" arm in terms of strength. Honestly, I think his arm is only slightly better than Dalton's, but Burrow has the ability to see the WR coming open, get the ball out, put it on the spot. His anticipation on his throws, and the ability to drop those deep throws to the WR in stride are amazing.
You can talk about the scheme they ran this year, and this and that, but Burrow puts the ball ON. The. Money. Period.
I'd still listen to calls - if someone is willing to put up a 1999 Saints like offer for an entire draft - I'd listen. Not sure I'd take it, unless something crops up that makes anyone think that Burrow can't win at a high level in the NFL.
I am not sure you do that even. Normally, yes, you jump all over it, but the opportunity to get a kid from this neck of the woods, who is this good and a real potential future franchise QB, you don't let that go. Franchise QB's change the trajectory of a franchise for 12 to 15 years. Brady, Brees, Montana, Manning, Elway, Aikman, Kelly, etc. You just don't give that up for anything.
Anyone still want Chase Young?
I think its like Cincy said, the guy puts the ball on the money. He's not afraid in the pocket, he stands tall and throws great passes. He's also a lot more mobile than a lot of quaterbacks in the league.
At this point the Bengals have one mission that is critical for success. They need to bring that offensive line at least up to league average. They have some okay pieces, but should add some more. You have to give the kid some chance at success next season.
Totally agree - was just saying, I'd listen.
Bottom line, as I've been saying, if the Bengals feel that he is that top tier NFL franchise QB, then you have to take him. The need fits the pick 100%.
The NFL is now, more than ever, a QB driven league. Your QB, no matter who they are, cannot be consistently good if you do not protect them.
They should absolutely look at getting at least 2 OL in F/A. One top tier Guard - and a Tackle that can push for a starting gig.
What if we have that guy in Johnson? Don't want to drop a dime on a RT when you potentially have one in Johnson. However, you don't want to have complete faith in Johnson panning out after only 82 snaps either. I get the point.
My favorite part of this Championship game, though, is listening to all the buckeye homers melt down still, 2 weeks later, about how they should be in this game, and that they would have beaten LSU.
GTFOH! All the hand-wringing and bellyaching about the officials - You had 4 opportunities to put that game away in the first 20 minutes - and scored just 1 TD. The Ref did not make Dobbins drop a TD pass, nor did they stop the offense in the red-zone. They also had nothing to do with allowing Clemson to march 94 yards in 5 plays to score the go-ahead TD.
Allowing a team like Clemson to hang around came back to bite them in the ass. I love all the wallowing in self-pity these guys are doing.
I'd rather pay now, and worry later. If Johnson turns out to be good, then we have depth for cheap. Or, there is some trade-bait for another team. But, if you are serious about protecting your QB, you build up the OL, pay guys, and then deal with what happens down the road. Better to be safer than sorry when it comes to protecting the QB.
Not sure OSU would have beat LSU, but they had beat Clemson. The refs bailed them out. There were moments Clemson played really well and they shut parts of the Buckeye's game down. Clemson is a damn good team. But that targeting call was bullshit that changed the entire trajectory of the game. Then the REVERSAL on the fumble/TD was crazy too. That was a TD. With all that said, as jobbed as OSU got from the SEC refs calling that game, they still had a chance to win, but Olave broke off his route right as Fields was going to hit him across the goal line for a TD and it was picked to seal the game. Clemson will go down as winning that game on paper, but in reality, they were helped tremendously in that game by the refs.
Lawrence did have a good game though. And Clemson's defense stepped up when they needed it.
I'm scared how good the Bengals can be if Joe pans out to be as great as I think he can be. Build an OL for him should be their first priority and you can put any weapons around him (Cincy already has some very nice weapons for him).
His key traits are amazing accuracy, leadership, very high confidence level and mobility. He doesn't have the strongest arm but that isn't needed, he can make every throw and like others have said his mobility is better than the majority of the QB's in the NFL.
Draft him #1 and never look back. Hit FA and the draft for OL and improve the defense some. They will be set.
I'm sorry - I just can't buy the officials jobbed them bullshit. Targeting call was 100% correct. That is the very definition of targeting. If you don't like the rule, that's fine, but that is THE RULE. You CANNOT lower your helmet and hit the QB, or WR, with the crown of you helmet. It doesn't matter if the offensive player drops his head/shoulder into the target area - if the defender doesn't lower his helmet, it's all a moot point. (as an aside, it was nearly 100% identical to last night's call, which also led to an ejection - 100% the right call).
The Fumble - I called it live, it was not a fumble. I still don't believe it was a fumble. That being said - I'm not sure they should have over-turned it. The issue I had with it being a fumble was that the defender hit the WR right at the same time he caught it - the WR never had a chance to establish any kind of momentum on his own, make any kind of actual move - not to mention, he was driven back 3 yards before he lost the ball - Forward progress (at worst) should have been considered if it were a catch, otherwise, it should have been incomplete.
However, NONE of that matters, because OSU had the lead late...and have up a 94 yard drive in FIVE PLAYS!! Forget the fact that the score probably should have been, at worst, 24-0, in the 1st quarter, and game all but over - instead it was just 16 - and then OSU slammed into the punter. 16-7. Then targeting - 16-14, and Clemson was back in the game. The only thing that let Clemson off the hook in that game was OSU not finishing - and that had been a theme all year long with them.
So, did the officials hurt - yeah, it hurt - but can you lay that blame at their feet? No way. OSU needs to look in the mirror and own up to their short-comings and figure out why they struggled all year long to close out games and finish.
I disagree with you, but that is fine, because I like you anyways. LOL
Hats off to LSU...
Regarding the officials.... The targeting call was correct. You can hate it, but it is the right call based on the rulebook. I thought the fumble/incompletion was a fumble, but I understand why it was overturned.
In general though I agree with Cincy... They didn't generate enough points to show for the early dominance in the game. Score touchdowns and the whole game is different. With OSU's pass rush and secondary, they would have been hard to beat with a 2+ touchdown lead.
Regardless of how that game came out, I think it is very clear that LSU was the best team this year. They beat Texas, Florida, Alabama, Auburn, Georgia, Oklahoma, and Clemson.... That is impressive anyway you slice it.
I don't want to gamble on the small sample size we have on the guy. I'd rather overspend this year on the OL to ensure success (even if we have injury). You'll have a franchise QB on a rookie contract for the next 5 years....That should open up some money to overspend on other parts of the roster.
The way I understood targeting is when the tackling player lowers his head and launches himself at the opposing player. Ward never left his feet, he just ducked his head at the point of impact the same as Lawrence and the top of his helmet grazed the ear of Lawrence. It is a natural instinct to cover and protect yourself when you are preparing for a violent hit. Ward never left his feet to make impact. The guy from Clemson last night did become horizontal and left his feet making contact with the crown of his helmet. There is a difference in that action.
I keep thinking of how the Bengals will screw this up.
here's my thinking.
Mike Brown will not pay Burrow what he's asking, so he basically sits out the entire first year of his contract while Dalton leads the team to mediocre 8-8, which makes our fan base go into a drunken frenzy as he passes for 400 yards against some crappy teams.
By year 2, Burrow's agent is insisting that we let him go or trade his rights to another team. finally, the NFL steps in and brokers a deal, and Burrow is in camp for his 2nd year as a Bengal.
he signs a 4 year deal, which includes the year he didn't play.
By the end of preseason 2021, he is injured, and we go to our backup QB (Ryan Finley I guess) who actually does ok, but not good enough for the playoffs. Burrow comes into the picture and leads a meaningless late season surge.
2022,2023: Burrow improves and makes the playoffs by 2023, we somehow lose to Houston's backup QB in OT, due to some suspect penalties.
2024: Burrow leads the Chargers to the Superbowl and bad mouths the bengals organizations in interviews.
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