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Kyler Murray Entering NFL Draft

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  1. countryroads316

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    The San Francisco Chronicle reports 2018 Heisman Trophy Winner and 2018 Oakland A's first-round draft pick Kyler Murray will enter the NFL draft.
    In and of itself, entering the draft would not necessarily mean Murray was foregoing his baseball career, but A's beat writer Susan Slusser reports he would be expected to focus on football if he did so. Super agent Scott Boras had previously insisted that Murray planned to report to A's spring training next month. Now that appears to be up in the air. We will gain more information in the coming days. Were Murray to commit to football, he would have a shot at coming off the board on Day 1.
    Source: San Francisco Chronicle
    Jan 9 - 10:14 PM

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    He's going to attempt to do both. That said, give this young man a year on somebody's bench and you're looking at a much smaller far faster version of Patrick Mahomes. I know that there are plenty of naysayers around but look around at what's happening in the NFL gang and you might notice that the ultimate copycat league is quickly instituting the college game.
     
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    Yes I mentioned several weeks ago that the NFL game is morphing into the college game … in some ways. Don't want a part time QB.
     
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    NO way a QB can be a part time player in today's NFL. Sorry, but as talented as this kid is, I pass on him unless he commits to football full time.
     
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    I believe that declaring for the NFL draft makes that commitment, however, how do we determine that a QB can't successfully can't do both? It's never been tried and the only reliable perspective we have is based in tradition and old school conservative thought. (conservative is not used in the political sense here.)
     
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    If Kliff Kingsbury does take Murray #1 overall, I wonder what the asking price for Rosen will be.
     
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    So if he is there at 15, do you take him knowing that he will be unavailable to you from February until October, at least on a part time basis? He has already taken a $4.6M signing bonus to play MLB in Oakland. He can probably pay that back and get out of his contact (I assume a good lawyer could work that out), but its been my experience that once money is received, it rarely comes back.

    I'm not questioning if the talent is worth the pick, I'm questioning if the mechanics of sharing a player with another team (across the country) is realistic, especially for this franchise.
     
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    I question all of it. I don’t even think about him at 15...with or without baseball.

    I don’t take him in second with baseball.
     
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    Report: Kyler Murray will have to pick MLB or NFL

    No way he plays both & certainly not at the same time early in his career (perhaps in different years if he fails at one sport or later in life as kind of a gimmick). I can't recall anyone doing this on an extended basis in the modern era. Sure you had the gimmicky setup for Deion & Bo Jackson playing baseball basically after his NFL career was over.

    As tough as this would be in general in the NFL this certainly will be next to impossible & highly frowned upon (if not outright not allowed) by the A's & whoever drafts this guy. Learning QB in the NFL (which is much different than college & we know this all too well) is tough enough on it's own. If you combine this with trying to make it in another sport & the inevitable commercials & other off field crap - well - this is a recipe for failure.

    No idea if this kid makes it in either sport, but he is going to have to choose one - at least for the short term.
     
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    Before I get to the heart of your question, let me make it clear that I believe that based on reports that's it's looking more and more like he's going to choose football, forgo baseball (for now) return the 4+million signing bonus and enter the NFL draft. That said...

    Even if he chooses to continue a pursuit of his baseball career, I still take him, especially at 15, a little earlier if it doesn't cost too much to move up. Why? well, because this guy is a very, very special talent. To put him in proper perspective, think Allen Iverson and all that was said about him as he declared for the NBA draft, sans the legal stuff. He's too small, too light, too this negative and too that negative, then remember what Iverson became in the NBA, the greatest pound for pound player to ever play the game. That's Kyler Murray, NFL style!

    This young man is highly intelligent, and it may be his dream to attempt playing both baseball and football but I guarantee you, he won't do both if it means not being the best at either of them. I suspect that we are getting these stories relating to his desire to enter the NFL draft because he has figured out the long term economics in baseball versus the immediate economics that comes with an NFL career. Realistically, he stands to make much more in baseball after spending some time riding minor league buses and hopefully latching onto a show roster as a starter while being comforted by that 4+million signing bonus. His contract as an early(ish) selection in the NFL draft, and subsequent commercial contract, will quickly make him forget about that paltry 4+ million. One more thing, if he plays to his talent, by the time he get on a MLB roster, he most likely will be signing his second NFL contract which for QB's is, well, enormous!
     
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    Is he better than Baker Mayfield?
     
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    Iverson was way over-hyped. He was the quintessential me type player. He was the 42% shooting, pound the ball in the ground PG that gets love from some, but most know you don’t win with him.
     
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    Personally, I believe that it's unfair to compare in this manner because so much depends on where players end up and how those franchises build around or require a player to adjust. Here's what's known, the system that each played in at Oklahoma does translate into the NFL (Baker makes that case) and Murray was better than Baker in the same system. My fear as you know is drafting a QB and forcing the old "sink or swim" immediately mindset on them. Take note that Mayfield who was taken 1st by Cleveland didn't start immediately, and probably wouldn't have started when he did except that Tyrod Taylor was injured. Clearly the plan was to sit him and maybe those three games tempered that enormous ego and afforded him time to observe and work on his game.
     
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    I get what you're saying, but it misses the point. To be clear, Iverson gave his all to the 6'ers, he is well loved by the vast majority of their fans because of his will to win, take that clutch shot at crunch time and ofttimes deliver. Never mind, don't take it from me but how about the opinions of those who play/played and follow the game. You may not believe it and I get the skepticism, but if Murray comes here and has a career that has many testifying that pound for pound he is the greatest QB to ever play the game, I'll take it!!


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    Yep same system, similar size. Ummm Murray was not better than Mayfield and did not beat Mayfield out. Now Mayfield was in the system longer. Comparing is not exactly fair. I watched Mayfield a LOT more than I watched Murray so I can't comment too much. Kid had a very good season, no doubt about that. My only hesitancy is the baseball contract.
     
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    Here are the top 20 passing efficiency leaders of all time:

    1. Tua Tagovailoa, Alabama, 2018, 238.8

    2. Kyler Murray, Oklahoma, 2018, 224.9

    3. Baker Mayfield, Oklahoma, 2017, 198.9

    4. Baker Mayfield, Oklahoma, 2016, 196.4

    5. Russell Wilson, Wisconsin, 2011, 191.8

    6. Robert Griffin III, Baylor, 2011, 189.5

    7. Colt Brennan, Hawaii, 2006, 186.0

    8. Will Grier, West Virginia, 2018, 185.8

    9. Jameis Winston, Florida State, 2013, 184.8

    10. Logan Woodside, Toledo, 2016, 183.3

    11. Kellen Moore, Boise State, 2010, 182.6

    12. Cam Newton, Auburn, 2010, 182.0

    13. Marcus Mariota, Oregon, 2014, 181.7

    14. Stefan Lefors, Louisville, 2004, 181.7

    15. Mike White, Western Kentucky, 2016, 181.4

    16. Sam Bradford, Oklahoma, 2008, 180.8

    17. McKenzie Milton, Central Florida, 2017, 179.3

    18. Vernon Adams, Oregon, 2015, 179.1

    19. Shaun King, Tulane, 1998, 178.7

    20. David Johnson, Tulsa, 2008, 178.7
     
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    Through eight games, Murray’s numbers compare very favorably to Mayfield’s through the same number of games a year ago:

    • Mayfield: 2,628 yards, 23 touchdowns, three interceptions, 72.5 completion percentage (171-236); 52 carries, 190 yards, four touchdowns, 3.7 ypc
    • Murray: 2,329 yards, 28 touchdowns, three interceptions, 73.2 completion percentage (134-183); 71 carries, 474 yards, six touchdowns, 6.7 ypc
    While Murray’s passing yards lag behind Mayfield’s, so do his pass attempts. That leads to arguably the most impressive statistical edge he holds over his predecessor:

    • Mayfield: 11.1 yards per attempt
    • Murray: 12.7 yards per attempt
    The biggest edge Mayfield holds over Murray when comparing seasons? The No. 1 overall pick of the 2018 NFL draft had no one even remotely compared to Tagovailoa as part of the competition.
     
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    Primary stat, Mayfield started instead of Murray in 2017.
     
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