Is this Do-over, plus One, a mistake?

[skinsdad62]

he asked about talent at the WR position.

Certainly impacts WrS

 

[Skin'EmAll]

I expect the same outcome as last year.
Deebo's experience in the playoffs and improvements at DB will get us back to the NFCCG but we won't be able to beat whoever the opponent is.

We need an elite pass catcher and an elite pass rusher to get to the superbowl and win

 

[deanpet21]

Certainly impacts WrS

we had success last year with lesser WR talent. This is my point.

 

[deanpet21]

I expect the same outcome as last year.
Deebo's experience in the playoffs and improvements at DB will get us back to the NFCCG but we won't be able to beat whoever the opponent is.

We need an elite pass catcher and an elite pass rusher to get to the superbowl and win

I do too. pass rushing to going to be a problem. I disagree we need an elite WR to win.

 

[Stymietee]

I do too. pass rushing to going to be a problem. I disagree we need an elite WR to win.

I expect the same outcome as last year.
Deebo's experience in the playoffs and improvements at DB will get us back to the NFCCG but we won't be able to beat whoever the opponent is.

We need an elite pass catcher and an elite pass rusher to get to the superbowl and win

we had success last year with lesser WR talent. This is my point.

Exactly!! The hallmark of the elite is elite talents, although not necessarily at the WR position exclusively. Look at the Eagles offense right now... #1 Offensive line, an Elite WR1, a Terry level WR2, a top of the line TE, and arguably the best RB in the game. Would this GM trade all of that for what the Commanders have right now and have Daniels working with those guys? Absolutely, and anyone who says differently aren't being truthful.
This is the target lineup that every team wants and desires because despite the fact that you can find some measure of success with lesser talents, Philly just proved, to beat the best you have to be the best competitively. Btw; No GM worthy of the title ever says... "Good enough!"

 

[deanpet21]

Exactly!! The hallmark of the elite is elite talents, although not necessarily at the WR position exclusively. Look at the Eagles offense right now... #1 Offensive line, an Elite WR1, a Terry level WR2, a top of the line TE, and arguably the best RB in the game. Would this GM trade all of that for what the Commanders have right now and have Daniels working with those guys? Absolutely, and anyone who says differently aren't being truthful.
This is the target lineup that every team wants and desires because despite the fact that you can find some measure of success with lesser talents, Philly just proved, to beat the best you have to be the best competitively. Btw; No GM worthy of the title ever says... "Good enough!"

not the point sty. you are saying the 2025 wr room is not as talented as the 2024. I disagreed.

 

[Stymietee]

not the point sty. you are saying the 2025 wr room is not as talented as the 2024. I disagreed.

Where's the evidence that it's more talented than the 2024 room, as you suggest? Deebo?? C'mon, man, that dude is coming off an injury, having his worse season in a while, and being asked to be the full-time WR2 on a team stocked with WR2s. By the way, I never suggested that the WR room wasn't as talented. I clearly wrote about Brown being a valuable contributor down the stretch, and in doing so, I equated what Deebo brings to what he contributed. Also, the question remains... Is this a do-over, plus one, a mistake? (Riding Jayden for another season)

 

[deanpet21]

Where's the evidence that it's more talented than the 2024 room, as you suggest? Deebo?? C'mon, man, that dude is coming off an injury, having his worse season in a while, and being asked to be the full-time WR2 on a team stocked with WR2s. By the way, I never suggested that the WR room wasn't as talented. I clearly wrote about Brown being a valuable contributor down the stretch, and in doing so, I equated what Deebo brings to what he contributed. Also, the question remains... Is this a do-over, plus one, a mistake? (Riding Jayden for another season)

Deebo has talent. His production dropped b/c of injury. We had no one on the 2024 WR roster that was even close to his talent besides Terry. Brown's value can be easily replaced. The guy ran WR screens for the most part. That was how he was effective. I say do-over.

 

[Stymietee]

Deebo has talent. His production dropped b/c of injury. We had no one on the 2024 WR roster that was even close to his talent besides Terry. Brown's value can be easily replaced. The guy ran WR screens for the most part. That was how he was effective. I say do-over.

OK, I accept your perspective, but I don't see Deebo as more than a very effective multi-positional player, which to me means that they have answered a few more questions at RB than WR in general, and a few more questions at WR3 than WR2 or WR1.

I'm not suggesting that Deebo isn't a good player, I see him for what he has been and here's that...

 

[deanpet21]

OK, I accept your perspective, but I don't see Deebo as more than a very effective multi-positional player, which to me means that they have answered a few more questions at RB than WR in general, and a few more questions at WR3 than WR2 or WR1.

I'm not suggesting that Deebo isn't a good player, I see him for what he has been and here's that...

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He has to be accounted for by the defense when he is on the field. We did not have this type of player last year which should benefit the offense in 2025.

 

[Stymietee]

The point is, I still don't believe that they've done enough to take the heavy burden off of Daniels this year. I get it; there's a process and limited resources to do all of that, however, taking that "waiting to see what they have" approach in the first year likely costs them an SB entry and opportunities to sign better talent. Now that they've seen what some of us knew from the start, they have to play catch-up with 2025 and 2026, the last two seasons where that rookie contract works in their favor. Jayden is a very special talent, and I want him to end his career here after ten years or so of great play. My concern is what it will cost them to once again put so much on his shoulders?

 

[Stymietee]

He has to be accounted for by the defense when he is on the field. We did not have this type of player last year which should benefit the offense in 2025.

Okay, he has to be accounted for by defenses, and what else? Perhaps we don't see him in the same light, that happens, and we'll see how it all shakes out this year. Fingers crossed in hopes that Jayden won't have to add 800 yards running to the mix.

 

[deanpet21]

Okay, he has to be accounted for by defenses, and what else? Perhaps we don't see him in the same light, that happens, and we'll see how it all shakes out this year. Fingers crossed in hopes that Jayden won't have to add 800 yards running to the mix.

jayden shouldn't b/c the o line is better which should mean the RB running game will be better. Of course, KK is going to call designed QB runs and JD5 will scramble when the pocket breaks down or no one is open.

 

[Stymietee]

jayden shouldn't b/c the o line is better which should mean the RB running game will be better. Of course, KK is going to call designed QB runs and JD5 will scramble when the pocket breaks down or no one is open.

I hope you're right!

 

[Stymietee]

He has to be accounted for by the defense when he is on the field. We did not have this type of player last year which should benefit the offense in 2025.

...And right on time, there's this...

Analyst Not Sold On Commanders' Deebo Samuel Move​

6 hours ago · One analyst isn't sold on the Washington Commanders' signing of Deebo Samuel.

 

[deanpet21]

...And right on time, there's this...

Analyst Not Sold On Commanders' Deebo Samuel Move​

6 hours ago · One analyst isn't sold on the Washington Commanders' signing of Deebo Samuel.

the guy was hurt cut him some slack

 

[deanpet21]

I hope you're right!

im just saying on paper, it looks good

 

[skinsdad62]

This Commanders camp battle might be the fiercest one fans will see all summer

It's be fascinating to watch the dynamic unfold.

riggosrag.com

a rundown at wr

 

[gkekoa]

I am not and never have been a Deebo guy. He is still better than our #2 last season.

 

[deanpet21]

This Commanders camp battle might be the fiercest one fans will see all summer

It's be fascinating to watch the dynamic unfold.

riggosrag.com

a rundown at wr

Osborn has a legit shot IMO to make the team.