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Mr. Friscus
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In today’s tennis landscape, players are defined by the number of majors they win. It might not be 100% fair, but that’s the bottom line. As I’ve aged, I’ve seen numbers that used to be high become not so high anymore. For example.. John McEnroe having 7 majors, Andre Agassi having 8, and Pete Sampras getting to 14 used to be a lot… but not compared to Roger’s 20, Nadal’s 22, and Novak’s 24.
There can be discussion on generational differences, but my focus is Andre in this post, and let me be clear about a few things:
1987 Australian ranked #93
1988 Aussie ranked #18
1988 Wimbledon ranked #6 (#3 Edberg def. #7 Becker)
1989 Aussie ranked #3 (#2 Lendl def #9 Mecir)
1989 Wimbledon ranked #4 (#3 Becker def. #2 Edberg)
1990 Austrailian ranked #8 (#1 Lendl def #3 Edberg)
1990 Wimbledon ranked #4 (#3 Edberg def. #2 Becker)
1991 Austrailian ranked #4 (#2 Becker def.#3 Lendl
1992: Australian ranked #11 (#2 Courier def. #1 Edberg)
1993 Australian ranked #9 (#1 Courier def #2 Edberg)
1993 French ranked #7 (#10 Bruguera def. #2 Courier)
1994 Australian ranked #32 (#1 Sampras def #9 Martin)
1997 Australian ranked #12 (#1 Sampras def. Moya)
1997 French ranked #29
1997 Wimbledon ranked #31
2002 Australian ranked #5 (#16 Johansson def #9 Safin)
2004 Wimbledon ranked #9 (#1 Federer def. #2 Roddick)
2005 Wimbledon ranked #6 (#1 Federer def. #2 Roddick)
2006 Australian ranked #9 (#1 Federer def. Baghdadis
2006 French Open ranked #9
So let’s rank these:
VERY LIKELY: 2002 Australian no doubt, he had won in 2001 and then won in 2003. Neither Thomas Johansson or Marat Safin would threaten Agassi at this point in his career.
PROBABLE or POSSIBLE: One of the the 3 Wimbledons he skipped due to being a rebel and not wanting to adhere to the dress code. While neither is obvious, I think it’s quite possible one of those years he could have one, as he was either 6th or 4th in the world in those years. He would have had to go through Edberg and Becker while those were dominating. And when he finally returned to play, he won it immediately in 1992.
ALSO POSSIBLE: One of these 2: the 1989 Aussie open or the 1993 French Open.
UNLIKELY, BUT MAYBE: The 1997 Aussie Open. While Agassi was beginning his Brook Shields Descent, he and Sampras had established the rivalry (primarily in 1995) in which Agassi was able to match Pete.
So what does this all mean? Andre was a complicated dude who harmed his own career, and there’s no excuses. But if we play “what if” for a moment, based on his clearly god-given skill at the game… I think had he maintained a professional dedication to the sport, I would feel comfortable saying he could have won 11-12 majors by the end of his career instead of of just 8. Of course, there’s no way to know, and I don’t have some crazed desire to demand the acknowledgment of a what-if. But, it's fun to look back and consider.
What do you guys think?
There can be discussion on generational differences, but my focus is Andre in this post, and let me be clear about a few things:
- Andre is my favorite player
- I’m not making any excuses for him, or taking away from any player who won in his absence.
1987 Australian ranked #93
1988 Aussie ranked #18
1988 Wimbledon ranked #6 (#3 Edberg def. #7 Becker)
1989 Aussie ranked #3 (#2 Lendl def #9 Mecir)
1989 Wimbledon ranked #4 (#3 Becker def. #2 Edberg)
1990 Austrailian ranked #8 (#1 Lendl def #3 Edberg)
1990 Wimbledon ranked #4 (#3 Edberg def. #2 Becker)
1991 Austrailian ranked #4 (#2 Becker def.#3 Lendl
1992: Australian ranked #11 (#2 Courier def. #1 Edberg)
1993 Australian ranked #9 (#1 Courier def #2 Edberg)
1993 French ranked #7 (#10 Bruguera def. #2 Courier)
1994 Australian ranked #32 (#1 Sampras def #9 Martin)
1997 Australian ranked #12 (#1 Sampras def. Moya)
1997 French ranked #29
1997 Wimbledon ranked #31
2002 Australian ranked #5 (#16 Johansson def #9 Safin)
2004 Wimbledon ranked #9 (#1 Federer def. #2 Roddick)
2005 Wimbledon ranked #6 (#1 Federer def. #2 Roddick)
2006 Australian ranked #9 (#1 Federer def. Baghdadis
2006 French Open ranked #9
So let’s rank these:
VERY LIKELY: 2002 Australian no doubt, he had won in 2001 and then won in 2003. Neither Thomas Johansson or Marat Safin would threaten Agassi at this point in his career.
PROBABLE or POSSIBLE: One of the the 3 Wimbledons he skipped due to being a rebel and not wanting to adhere to the dress code. While neither is obvious, I think it’s quite possible one of those years he could have one, as he was either 6th or 4th in the world in those years. He would have had to go through Edberg and Becker while those were dominating. And when he finally returned to play, he won it immediately in 1992.
ALSO POSSIBLE: One of these 2: the 1989 Aussie open or the 1993 French Open.
UNLIKELY, BUT MAYBE: The 1997 Aussie Open. While Agassi was beginning his Brook Shields Descent, he and Sampras had established the rivalry (primarily in 1995) in which Agassi was able to match Pete.
So what does this all mean? Andre was a complicated dude who harmed his own career, and there’s no excuses. But if we play “what if” for a moment, based on his clearly god-given skill at the game… I think had he maintained a professional dedication to the sport, I would feel comfortable saying he could have won 11-12 majors by the end of his career instead of of just 8. Of course, there’s no way to know, and I don’t have some crazed desire to demand the acknowledgment of a what-if. But, it's fun to look back and consider.
What do you guys think?