Holy shit, you guys got Trumbo!

[CatsTopPac]

Wow, solid pick-up. Gave up Eaton and Skaggs, but... fuck it! Nice bat for Goldy!

 

[FORKWDEVIL]

Wow, solid pick-up. Gave up Eaton and Skaggs, but... fuck it! Nice bat for Goldy!

anything to secure Goldy! Trumbo will give us 40 HRs per year!

Yea!

 

[Arizona_Sting]

I know people will probably disagree with me on this but he reminds me too much of Mark Reynolds back when he was hitting 35-40 HR's per year. Really hate that we gave up both Skaggs and Eaton to get him too. I'm one of the few AZ fans that doesn't like this trade.

 

[johnson]

I like it (don't love it). Eaton is really over-rated and very replaceable. Skaggs has been disappointing and terrible when given a few chances in the majors. He's young and has been dubbed one with great "potential" so who knows...but I'm not crying over losing him like some.

I agree Trumbo resembles Reynolds a bit, but I think with the right lineup, that's okay. AZ is desperate for power and he provides that. I'm just hoping we don't see too many defensive miscues from him.

 

[DweeberAZ]

Will have to see how Skaggs does... I would not be surprised to see Trumbo hit after Montaro instead of Goldy but what do I know??

Won't know about Trumbo defense for a while but I think he will do okay.

Eaton didn't impress me. Both Skaggs and Bower were a bit of a fizzout when they showed up.

 

[Jonas_steven]

Will have to see how Skaggs does... I would not be surprised to see Trumbo hit after Montaro instead of Goldy but what do I know??

Won't know about Trumbo defense for a while but I think he will do okay.

Eaton didn't impress me. Both Skaggs and Bower were a bit of a fizzout when they showed up.

It is rather laughable to think about some of these up-and-coming pitchers we have had who did not pan out. Bauer and Skaggs were supposed to be rotation guys by now but have failed to reach expectations. I wish we could get a mulligan on the Parker trade though...

 

[Arizona_Sting]

I know people will probably disagree with me on this but he reminds me too much of Mark Reynolds back when he was hitting 35-40 HR's per year. Really hate that we gave up both Skaggs and Eaton to get him too. I'm one of the few AZ fans that doesn't like this trade.

im always right

 

[johnson]

You appear to be right so far, but it's still too early. We could sure use Skaggs now. He'd probably be our ace.

We also have to evaluate the trade on a larger scale. When I was somewhat positive about it, I guess I had assumed (wrongly) that KT would assemble a somewhat competitive rotation. Then Corbin went down (not his fault). And then Cahill and McCarthy continued to be awful (his fault), Arroyo was a terrible pick-up (his fault), and the team is struggling to find one pitcher that can pitch competently in the major leagues for two games in a row (his fault).

 

[Arizona_Sting]

Agreed. But just because you can't predict injuries doesn't mean you shouldn't anticipate them. It happens every year to just about every team. My biggest problem with KT is that he always sells low on prospects. Worst thing you can do when making trades in baseball.

And I've always been a Skaggs fan. He showed signs of being pretty dominant vs the Rockies and Rangers (he threw a couple gems) and he did have his struggles but we gave up on him wayyyyy too soon.

 

[CatsTopPac]

Yeah, I don't know. I think you got another power hitter, which is what you needed. He does lead the team in HRs and RBIs. He could get his BA up about .050, but I wouldn't expect too much more than that. He is a supplement to Goldy, and I think he is fulfilling that role. He has yet to make an error, and has less strikeouts than either Goldy, or Hill.

As far as Skaggs goes, stop. He never had better than a 5.12 ERA for AZ. He didn't pitch much, but it's clear that he is pitching better for Anaheim. That doesn't necessarily mean that he would have done the same for AZ. Different pitching coach, different teams, different divisions, hell, different leagues. Who's to say that he's not just more comfortable not having to hit? I think it's a stretch to say that Skaggs would all of a sudden shave 2 ERs off, with really no other changes, had he stayed. Seems far more plausible that he's just needed to throw somewhere else. And Eaton is doing pretty much what he did last year. So it's not even like you can look back at him and point to a dramatic improvement, like Skaggs. Again, I don't think it was nearly as bad of a trade as it is portrayed. I think that the problems with AZ are much deeper than getting Trumbo and losing Skaggs and Eaton. Losing Corbin was huge, but having Prado, Hill, and Campana all hitting .050 or worse than they normally do is really killing you. And really, combine that with 19 starts by pitchers who have an ERA above 5.00 (which Skaggs fell into last year, and the year before). Those are the the issues.

 

[johnson]

Good points, and to add to that a bit...Trumbo, despite his bad average, was doing exactly what he was acquired for before he went down to injury. He led the leagues in HRs and his bombs were almost all timely ones.

The problem is if you have a minor league rotation, it doesn't matter if you have Trumbo in your lineup. He only helps a competent MLB team. I don't think adding Jose Bautista and Mike Trout could even save this team.

 

[Arizona_Sting]

All I'm saying is we gave Skaggs 13 total starts in his age 21 and 22 seasons and gave up on him even though he showed slight improvement in the majors last year and he definitely showed us flashes of how good he could be. I just don't agree with giving up on someone so quickly.

Same goes with Bauer. We only gave him 4 starts in the majors. FOUR. His ERA wasn't great but his strikeout rate was impressive and when he's that young (20 at the time) what do you expect?

I'd sure as hell rather ride out our young pitchers and let them develop than give horrible contracts to veterans like Arroyo and McCarthy (and Cahill via trade) and get the same results.

 

[navamind]

All I'm saying is we gave Skaggs 13 total starts in his age 21 and 22 seasons and gave up on him even though he showed slight improvement in the majors last year and he definitely showed us flashes of how good he could be. I just don't agree with giving up on someone so quickly.

Same goes with Bauer. We only gave him 4 starts in the majors. FOUR. His ERA wasn't great but his strikeout rate was impressive and when he's that young (20 at the time) what do you expect?

I'd sure as hell rather ride out our young pitchers and let them develop than give horrible contracts to veterans like Arroyo and McCarthy (and Cahill via trade) and get the same results.

I agree, though I think McCarthy's numbers will look a lot better at the end of the year than they do right now. Maybe he can turn it around quick enough and become decent trade bait?

Brandon McCarthy » Statistics » Pitching | FanGraphs Baseball

 

[tuffydahog]

Giving up on Trevor Bauer because he had a bad attitude and got into arguments with Montero is one thing. Giving up on Tyler Skaggs after less than 15 scattered starts over a couple seasons when he is only 22 is idiotic. There is no other way to put it. Towers once again threw away a potential star pitcher under team control for many years for a guy who's career batting average is less than .250. You cannot win in this game without great pitching.

If you have great pitchers, you always have a chance to win even if your offense is not that great. If you have bad pitching, you basically have no chance to win even if your offense is fantastic. I would take a great pitcher any day of the week over a great hitter.

The 2011 Diamondbacks won the division because of Kennedy, Hudson, Collmenter, and Joe Saunders giving the team quality starts over and over again. Upton had a really good year and Goldschmidt coming up gave the team an enormous boost. But the fact remains that Kennedy almost won the Cy Young that year and Hudson was dominant as well a lot of the time. Pitching was the biggest reason for the division title and being one win from the NLCS that year.

What starter is left from that team? Josh Collmenter. He is probably right now the best starter the Diamondbacks have. In 2011, he was the number three or four behind Saunders. Towers has destroyed this team with his horrible trades.

Mark Trumbo? Give me a break. He is awful defensively and cannot hit for average. He was batting .210 before he got injured. So what if he has a lot of home runs and RBI's. His strike out to walk ratio is worse than 4:1. Towers has absolutely no idea how to put together a team. Last year he had like five shortstops at one point. He is a joke. If Towers ends up being fired, this season will be a success, no matter the team's record is. This is worst Diamondbacks team I have ever seen. Pretty soon no one will be in the stands.

 

[Arizona_Sting]

I agree, though I think McCarthy's numbers will look a lot better at the end of the year than they do right now. Maybe he can turn it around quick enough and become decent trade bait?

Brandon McCarthy » Statistics » Pitching | FanGraphs Baseball

I could see that. He's been pitching better than his numbers have indicated this season... I'll admit he's been a bit unlucky. I hope he turns things around so we can deal him for something at the deadline.

 

[johnson]

Trumbo currently leads the D-backs in both HRs and RBIs. This despite being only 33 games into the season and him not having played for two weeks.

Go Snakes!