Has LeBron been surpassed?

[PEOPLESCHICKEN]

You really don't think Giannis has surpassed LeBron? He is about equal to LBJ offensively, but much better defensively.

You are being a little generous as LeBron barely makes an attempt to play defense

 

[tlance]

Westbrook is a great around player, he can play defense better that Harden. IMO Westbrook is a better around player than George.

I agree with both those statements.

Which is why I think it is silly people keep pushing for PG13 in MVP talks.

Also though, Russ' shooting has been miserable. He doesn't belong in the same tier with Harden, Curry, Giannis, KD, and LeBron because of it.

 

[GNG]

Until Giannis gets a consistent jump shot then he won't be better

I disagree.

 

[PEOPLESCHICKEN]

Lonzo Ball is BETTER!!!!!!

 

[GNG]

 

[The Oldtimer]

Lonzo Ball is BETTER!!!!!!

LOL, better at what?

 

[FaCe-LeE-uS]

Lebron is still at the top. The gap is definitely a lot more narrow than it used to be though.

Until Harden learns to play defense he is not going to come close. Hell, maybe if he even TRIED to play defense he'd be more discussed in this topic.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

Until they do it when it matters, players like Giannis and Harden can't pass LeBron and Durant.

 

[tlance]

Until they do it when it matters, players like Giannis and Harden can't pass LeBron and Durant.

See, this is silly.

Because KD didn't do it until he joined the ultimate super team.

And LeBron is getting older.

 

[The Oldtimer]

I agree with both those statements.

Which is why I think it is silly people keep pushing for PG13 in MVP talks.

Also though, Russ' shooting has been miserable. He doesn't belong in the same tier with Harden, Curry, Giannis, KD, and LeBron because of it.

I was also talking about defense in my comment. People don't realize how good of a defensive player Westbrook is.

 

[PEOPLESCHICKEN]

LOL, better at what?

I am not sure. And I don't think LaVarr does either

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

See, this is silly.

Because KD didn't do it until he joined the ultimate super team.

And LeBron is getting older.

Maybe silly to you.
If the title is on the line, tie game, 5 minutes to go, Ill take LeBron or Durant.

You’d roll with the others over them?

 

[dtgold88]

This is probably the best argument for LeBron on this thread yet.

And I could be wrong, but I think most of you will be singing a different tune come May and June.

Remember, this isn't about who has the best resume. It is who is the best player right now.

Easy one for me to make as I watched 4 seasons with him where at best the regular season was painful to watch. All year it was "you cannot just turn it on and off". Then they would go from off to on in the playoffs. and they would do it by beating top seeds on the road, including GS once.

 

[SU Nittany Tide]

I don't think Harden is the best. But he may have surpassed LeBron anyway. LeBron isn't exactly a lock down defender either.

No he hasn't. Lebron is a douche but he's a good defender in the playoffs. Harden never is. Lebron is a winner. Harden is a stat guy.

 

[tlance]

No he hasn't. Lebron is a douche but he's a good defender in the playoffs. Harden never is. Lebron is a winner. Harden is a stat guy.

I thought that too.

But his teams have done a lot better than I expected each of the past 2 years.

If not for the Warrior dynasty, Harden has a ring right now.

 

[SU Nittany Tide]

I thought that too.

But his teams have done a lot better than I expected each of the past 2 years.

If not for the Warrior dynasty, Harden has a ring right now.

I think they would have lost to the cavs but who knows.

 

[tlance]

I think they would have lost to the cavs but who knows.

No way.

Cavs were not good last year. THey barely snuck by Boston. Weren't going to beat Houston.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

Easy one for me to make as I watched 4 seasons with him where at best the regular season was painful to watch. All year it was "you cannot just turn it on and off". Then they would go from off to on in the playoffs. and they would do it by beating top seeds on the road, including GS once.

Thats why guys like Harden win regular season MVP and players like LeBron win Finals MVP.

 

[dtgold88]

I thought that too.

But his teams have done a lot better than I expected each of the past 2 years.

If not for the Warrior dynasty, Harden has a ring right now.

Maybe....or the Cavs have 4.

 

[DorianRo]

Lebron isn't even top 5 in the league now. Top 6-7 at best. If Leonard put some real effort in in previous years, Lebron wouldn't have been the best in the game for the past 3-4 years.