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Harold Baines! ... H.O.F.!

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I don’t think he belongs in but I’m not going to bitch. Great player and classy dude
 

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The fact he got in before Edgar is ridiculous...
 

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al kaline was a shoo in for the hall (selected in his first year of eligibility). is harold really be all that far behind?

baines and kaline both played 22 years. kaline had 208 more ab's than baines
harold had 384 home runs, al kaline had 399 (kaline had .7 more home runs per year)
harold had 2866 hits, kaline had 3007 (kaline had 6 more hits per year)
harold had 1628 rbi's. kaline had 1582
harold batted .289, kaline .297

baines had more rbi's and a better batting average than mike schmidt, harmon killebrew, andre dawson, willie mccovey, willie stargell, billy williams, ralph kiner (just among outfielders)

out of 260 h.o.f. players baines is 24th in rbi's, 114 in average, 34th in home runs, 93rd in ops.

maybe people forget how good harold really was?
 

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Haaaa rold

Haaaa rold

Haaaa rold

Haaaa rold

God damn I loved going to White Sox games in the 80s with my old man. It was a joy that I was able to tell him about this and hear his happy reaction. Baines was the greatest. Can't wait to watch his acceptance speech. :)

LaRussa and Reisndorf were on the 12 man committee and I'm sure were the powers that be that made this come to fruition. Hat tip to them both.
 

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al kaline was a shoo in for the hall (selected in his first year of eligibility). is harold really be all that far behind?

baines and kaline both played 22 years. kaline had 208 more ab's than baines
harold had 384 home runs, al kaline had 399 (kaline had .7 more home runs per year)
harold had 2866 hits, kaline had 3007 (kaline had 6 more hits per year)
harold had 1628 rbi's. kaline had 1582
harold batted .289, kaline .297

baines had more rbi's and a better batting average than mike schmidt, harmon killebrew, andre dawson, willie mccovey, willie stargell, billy williams, ralph kiner (just among outfielders)

out of 260 h.o.f. players baines is 24th in rbi's, 114 in average, 34th in home runs, 93rd in ops.

maybe people forget how good harold really was?


umm... yes... very far behind.... Don't forget, milestones.... If you are a compiler, you better hit a milestone...
 

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Baines is 313th all-time in OPS behind the likes of Mike Napoli, Keith Hernandez (who actually has a case for being in the HOF), Carlos Lee, Luke Scott, Hideki Matsui and Boog Powell. His 121 OPS+ is tied for 340th all-time with Jason Bay, Jeff Burroughs, Mike Greenwell, Mike Hargrove and Chili Davis.

38.7 WAR in over 11000 PA. He averaged 1.8 per season.

nice player with a very long career, but an absolute joke he's in the HOF.
 

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as far as former ChiSox players go, Minoso and Pierce had much better cases
 

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al kaline was a shoo in for the hall (selected in his first year of eligibility). is harold really be all that far behind?

baines and kaline both played 22 years. kaline had 208 more ab's than baines
harold had 384 home runs, al kaline had 399 (kaline had .7 more home runs per year)
harold had 2866 hits, kaline had 3007 (kaline had 6 more hits per year)
harold had 1628 rbi's. kaline had 1582
harold batted .289, kaline .297

baines had more rbi's and a better batting average than mike schmidt, harmon killebrew, andre dawson, willie mccovey, willie stargell, billy williams, ralph kiner (just among outfielders)

out of 260 h.o.f. players baines is 24th in rbi's, 114 in average, 34th in home runs, 93rd in ops.

maybe people forget how good harold really was?




Baines played in a more offensive era than many of the guys you listed, so it's not really a straight up numbers comparison. Hitting .300 or 20 HR in 1996 is not the equivalent of hitting .300 or 20 HR in 1965 for instance...



I mean, in Kaline's day, hitting 25-30 home runs put you in the top 10 in the league. For a large chunk of Baines' career, many (if not most) teams had at least one 25-30 home run guy. In 1996 for instance, 20 of the 28 MLB teams had at least 2 players with 25+ homers.
 
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Baines is 313th all-time in OPS behind the likes of Mike Napoli, Keith Hernandez (who actually has a case for being in the HOF), Carlos Lee, Luke Scott, Hideki Matsui and Boog Powell. His 121 OPS+ is tied for 340th all-time with Jason Bay, Jeff Burroughs, Mike Greenwell, Mike Hargrove and Chili Davis.

38.7 WAR in over 11000 PA. He averaged 1.8 per season.

nice player with a very long career, but an absolute joke he's in the HOF.

Some people refuse to understand anything but numbers...but this is a joke of a statement.
 

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Some people refuse to understand anything but numbers...but this is a joke of a statement.


He's right, it is a joke that he's in... Be honest, how many great seasons did Baines have in his career?
 

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He's right, it is a joke that he's in... Be honest, how many great seasons did Baines have in his career?

That's bullsh*t. I grew up watching Baines. He was every bit as popular and as important as the Big Hurt to this franchise...and was the heart and soul of the team for well over a decade. There is no statistical criteria that can measure some things...and his stats are perfectly fine and to call them a joke is a joke in and of itself. The fans love/loved Harold. The players love/loved Harold. The coaches love/loved Harold. If that's not being famous...I don't know what is. I'm only 40...but he would only be second to Thomas for the White Sox franchise during my lifetime.
 

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That's bullsh*t. I grew up watching Baines. He was every bit as popular and as important as the Big Hurt to this franchise...and was the heart and soul of the team for well over a decade. There is no statistical criteria that can measure some things...and his stats are perfectly fine and to call them a joke is a joke in and of itself. The fans love/loved Harold. The players love/loved Harold. The coaches love/loved Harold. If that's not being famous...I don't know what is. I'm only 40...but he would only be second to Thomas for the White Sox franchise during my lifetime.



Great, so put him in the White Sox hall of fame, but not the baseball HOF....if he wasn't really a great/top tier player, why does he belong in baseball's HOF?
 

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That's bullsh*t. I grew up watching Baines. He was every bit as popular and as important as the Big Hurt to this franchise...and was the heart and soul of the team for well over a decade. There is no statistical criteria that can measure some things...and his stats are perfectly fine and to call them a joke is a joke in and of itself. The fans love/loved Harold. The players love/loved Harold. The coaches love/loved Harold. If that's not being famous...I don't know what is. I'm only 40...but he would only be second to Thomas for the White Sox franchise during my lifetime.
cool, and the Big Hurt was 1000x better at hitting.
 

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you know a player doesn't have a good argument when fans discount stats and say "he was the heart and soul" of the team. lmao
 

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you know a player doesn't have a good argument when fans discount stats and say "he was the heart and soul" of the team. lmao

I said "his stats are fine." 34th all time on the RBI list is pretty f*cking impressive. And, I'm sure unlike you, I witnessed him play in person in a very, very non-hitter friendly old Comiskey Park many, many times.

And yes, he was the heart and soul of the team. That's a good thing. Really, one of the most important things. He WAS the White Sox.

If he played for the Red Sox, Cubs or Yankees he would have already been in the hall of fame by now. Guaranteed.
 

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I said "his stats are fine." 34th all time on the RBI list is pretty f*cking impressive. And, I'm sure unlike you, I witnessed him play in person in a very, very non-hitter friendly old Comiskey Park many, many times.
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And yet, he only finished in the top 10 in the AL in RBI a whopping 2x during his entire career (that's not in MLB - that's just the AL)....so what does that tell us about his RBI totals? That he was a big-time run producer, or that he just was a solid run producer who played for a long time?
 

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And yet, he only finished in the top 10 in the AL in RBI a whopping 2x during his entire career (that's not in MLB - that's just the AL)....so what does that tell us about his RBI totals? That he was a big-time run producer, or that he just was a solid run producer who played for a long time?

So wait...Longevity is a detriment to fame? That's news to me. You're gonna slice it how you like. Good for you. But, in the end, a veterans committee of long-time baseball people that know a sh*t ton more about baseball than you and I see it my way...unless you're trying to make the argument that they put Harold Baines in for publicity and not merit...which makes absolutely no sense considering the dude is one of the most soft-spoken athletes of all-time.

Haters gonna hate. Step on ye of little consequence. Harold is in the hall forevermore.

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