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Game #3 New Orleans Saints vs Patriots Sunday 9/26/2021 1:00 PM FOX

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Just a bit early bit I think this game will tell us all where the Patriots will be headed in 2021.

A win in Week 3 could set up a game plan for an exciting upset in Week 4
 

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Patriots shouldn't get "lucky" and get 4 easy picks regardless of who is the Saints QBs next week. Must be better in all phases of the game if they want to get the "w"
 

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Week 3 could go either way. NO could lay another egg or they could have a repeat of week 1?

NE has been steady for the first two games. Unfortunate loss week 1 and a gifted win in week 2. If Wilson doesn't continue to give the ball up this could've been a 9-6 game.

Lots of good things NE is doing but it will take time. If they don't fix the Oline and run D, settle in for a long year.
 

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SCOUTING THE MATCHUPS​

By Paul Perillo
Points figure to be at a premium when the Patriots and Saints go at it Sunday in Foxborough.
When the Patriots run - Edge: Saints
Heading into the season it was expected that the Patriots would rely heavily on the run and play behind their dominant offensive line. Through the first two games that hasn't exactly been the case. One reason for that was the loss of right tackle Trent Brown to a calf strain suffered on the first series of the opener. Without Brown the Patriots haven't been able to consistently generate yards on the ground. Damien Harris has run hard and been tough to tackle, but his production has been sporadic. He has managed a pair of long runs – a 35-yarder in the opener and an impressive 26-yard touchdown run Sunday at the Meadowlands. Otherwise it's been tough sledding. Taking out the 61 yards he picked up on those two attempts, Harris has carried 37 times for 101 yards. Those two carries count, however, and overall he's averaging 4.2 yards per carry for the season – solid if unspectacular. New Orleans is outstanding against the run, allowing 66 yards per game (third in the league) and just 2.8 yards per attempt (second). Those numbers include a solid effort against Carolina's Christian McCaffrey, who was limited to 72 yards on 24 carries (3-yard average) last week. The Saints front includes Cameron Jordan, Christian Ringo, Shy Tuttle and Carl Granderson in front of linebackers Demario Davis, Zack Baun and Andrew Dowell. That front seven has dominated despite the absence of defensive tackle David Onyemata, who won't play against the Patriots as he continues serving his suspension to open the season.
When the Patriots pass - Edge: Saints
Mac Jones has been quite efficient in his first two starts, completing nearly 74 percent of his passes. But his 6.2 yards per pass play ranks just 23rd in the league, and the Saints stingy secondary will make it tough to improve on that total. However, New Orleans is dealing with some significant health issues on the back end. Both Marshon Lattimore (hand) and C.J. Gardner-Johnson (knee) missed the Panthers game and will be playing at less than 100 percent if they return for the Patriots. Also, Marcus Davenport, one of the Saints best pass rushers, is on injured reserve with a shoulder injury. That could help give the Patriots passing game a boost. Nelson Agholor did not build off his strong opener and Kendrick Bourne has been limited to three catches on the season. Jakobi Meyers leads the wideouts with 10 catches but for just 82 yards. James White is Jones' favorite target with 12 receptions through two games. The Patriots might need to get tight ends Jonnu Smith and Hunter Henry more involved against the Saints tough pass defense. P.J. Williams, Paulson Adebo and newcomer Bradley Roby join Lattimore and Gardner-Johnson with veterans Marcus Williams and Malcolm Jenkins at safety. It's a deep secondary that can take the ball away, and New Orleans also has the top-ranked red zone defense in football, which is not good news for a Patriots offense that has struggled to score.
When the Saints run - Edge: Patriots
New England is coming off a tough outing against the run in New York. The limited Jets rushing attack generated 152 yards on 31 carries, making the Patriots front look vulnerable throughout the day. But the Saints haven't been able to generate much on the ground through two weeks. Alvin Kamara is averaging just over 3 yards a carry with 88 yards on 28 attempts, although those numbers are skewed a bit by his eight-carry, 5-yard performance in Carolina on Sunday. Tony Jones has chipped in with 57 yards on 14 attempts, and head coach Sean Payton likes to use Taysom Hill as a runner on occasion as well. The Patriots will need to tighten up their run fits early to put the ball in Jameis Winston's hands. Kamara is a game-breaker and he figures to be the focal point of New England's defensive game plan. He's been off to a slow start this season, but that can change quickly if the Patriots linebackers aren't ready to deal with him as a runner and receiver. The Saints offensive line has also dealt with injuries as center Erik McCoy missed the Panthers game and was replaced by right guard Cesar Ruiz. Even at full strength the Saints have struggled to run the ball effectively and the Patriots should be able to improve on their Week 2 showing.
When the Saints pass - Edge: Patriots
Winston has been the ultimate trick-or-treat quarterback in the first two weeks. He tossed five touchdown passes in just 20 attempts in the opener but threw a pair of picks while passing for just 111 yards in Carolina the following week. Winston is last in the league in passing yards and the Patriots made life miserable on rookie Zach Wilson on Sunday. J.C. Jackson picked off a pair while Adrian Phillips and Devin McCourty had one each. Saints All-Pro wideout Michael Thomas remains out after undergoing ankle surgery, leaving New Orleans with limited weapons. Kamara is the leading receiver with just seven catches. Marquez Calloway, Deonte Harris, Lil'Jordan Humphrey and Chris Hogan comprise the wideout corps but have combined for just nine catches on the season. Tight ends Adam Trautman and Juwan Johnson also chip in, but this is a very limited passing game. Winston has the ability to make throws and get hot, but he also is prone to mistakes and would appear to be the type of quarterback Bill Belichick loves to face. Winston faced the Patriots once when he was the quarterback in Tampa, completing 26 of 46 passes for 334 yards and a touchdown without an interception in a 19-14 loss. Look for Belichick to pressure Winston a bit to force some errant throws, which has been a problem for the former No. 1 overall pick throughout his career.

Special Teams - Edge: Patriots
Nick Folk just keeps making field goals and the Patriots have needed each and every one of them. He's 7-for-7 on the season and has now made 33 straight to set a franchise record for consecutive field goals. His last miss came last year in Seattle in Week 2 when he misfired from 51 yards out. He's needed to be that effective given the offense's struggles in the red zone. Saints kicker Wil Lutz is on IR so veteran Aldrick Rosas has taken his place. Rosas made his only field goal attempt but also is 6-for-6 on PATs. The punters are both solid with Jake Bailey putting four of his seven attempts inside the 20 while the Saints Blake Gillikin sporting an impressive 44.5-yard net on his eight kicks. Harris has been dangerous on kick returns, averaging 31.2 yards with a long of 39. The Patriots coverage against the Jets was a bit loose so it wouldn't be surprising to see Bailey opting for touchbacks this week. Harris also handles punts for New Orleans. The Patriots haven't gotten much out of their return game with Brandon Bolden (kicks) and Gunner Olszewski (punts) being held under wraps thus far.

QUARTERBACK COMPARISON​


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MAC JONES, QB, PATRIOTS
HT: 6-3 | WT: 217 | COLLEGE: ALABAMA
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This is a 2021 photo of Jameis Winston of the New Orleans Saints NFL football team. This image reflects the New Orleans Saints active roster as of Tuesday, July 27, 2021 when this image was taken. (AP Photo)

JAMEIS WINSTON, QB, SAINTS
HT: 6-4 | WT: 231 | COLLEGE: FLORIDA STATE
Table inside Article
SEASONCOMPATTYDSTDINTLNGSK/YDS
2021254225952554/31

TOP TWO SCORING TEAMS SINCE 2010​

The New England Patriots and the New Orleans Saints are the two highest scoring NFL teams since the 2010 season and the only teams to reach 5,000 points scored during that time frame.
MOST POINTS SCORED SINCE 2010
  • New England Patriots: 5,087
  • New Orleans Saints: 5,021
  • Green Bay Packers: 4,703
Patriots defense celebrates after making a play.

Photo by David Silverman
Patriots defense celebrates after making a play.

TALE OF THE TAPE​

Table inside Article
2021 REGULAR SEASONNEW ENGLANDNEW ORLEANS
Record1-11-1
Divisional Standings1st (T)3rd
Total Yards Gained653450
Total Offense (Rank)326.5 (23)225.0 (32)
Rush Offense113.0 (13)109.5 (17)
Pass Offense213.5 (25)115.5 (32)
Points Per Game20.5 (23)22.5 (18T)
Touchdowns Scored36
Third Down Conversion Pct.50.033.3
Team Passer Rating96.797.2
Total Yards Allowed595612
Total Defense (Rank)297.5 (5)306.0 (7)
Rush Defense113.0 (14)66.0 (3)
Pass Defense184.5 (6)240.0 (13)
Points Allowed/Game11.5 (2T)14.5 (6)
Possession Avg.32:1828:02
Sacks Allowed/Yards Lost4/404/31
Sacks Made/Yards6/434/26
Passing TD/Int. (Off.)1/05/2
Passing TD/Int. (Def.)1/52/3
Penalties Against/Yards14/13817/151
Punts/Avg.7/45.48/49.6
Turnover Differential+3 (2T)+2 (4T)

SERIES HISTORY​


Patriots Chairman and CEO Robert Kraft's first game as owner of the team was a 1994 preseason game at Foxboro Stadium against the Saints. The Patriots won that game 24-6.
The two teams will meet this week in New Orleans in the 15th meeting ever and the first meeting since the Patriots 36-20 win at New Orleans on Sept. 17, 2017.
The Patriots lead the all-time series, 10-4. The Patriots are 5-3 against New Orleans in home games, including 2-0 at Gillette Stadium.
 

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SCOUTING THE MATCHUPS​

By Paul Perillo
Points figure to be at a premium when the Patriots and Saints go at it Sunday in Foxborough.
When the Patriots run - Edge: Saints
Heading into the season it was expected that the Patriots would rely heavily on the run and play behind their dominant offensive line. Through the first two games that hasn't exactly been the case. One reason for that was the loss of right tackle Trent Brown to a calf strain suffered on the first series of the opener. Without Brown the Patriots haven't been able to consistently generate yards on the ground. Damien Harris has run hard and been tough to tackle, but his production has been sporadic. He has managed a pair of long runs – a 35-yarder in the opener and an impressive 26-yard touchdown run Sunday at the Meadowlands. Otherwise it's been tough sledding. Taking out the 61 yards he picked up on those two attempts, Harris has carried 37 times for 101 yards. Those two carries count, however, and overall he's averaging 4.2 yards per carry for the season – solid if unspectacular. New Orleans is outstanding against the run, allowing 66 yards per game (third in the league) and just 2.8 yards per attempt (second). Those numbers include a solid effort against Carolina's Christian McCaffrey, who was limited to 72 yards on 24 carries (3-yard average) last week. The Saints front includes Cameron Jordan, Christian Ringo, Shy Tuttle and Carl Granderson in front of linebackers Demario Davis, Zack Baun and Andrew Dowell. That front seven has dominated despite the absence of defensive tackle David Onyemata, who won't play against the Patriots as he continues serving his suspension to open the season.
When the Patriots pass - Edge: Saints
Mac Jones has been quite efficient in his first two starts, completing nearly 74 percent of his passes. But his 6.2 yards per pass play ranks just 23rd in the league, and the Saints stingy secondary will make it tough to improve on that total. However, New Orleans is dealing with some significant health issues on the back end. Both Marshon Lattimore (hand) and C.J. Gardner-Johnson (knee) missed the Panthers game and will be playing at less than 100 percent if they return for the Patriots. Also, Marcus Davenport, one of the Saints best pass rushers, is on injured reserve with a shoulder injury. That could help give the Patriots passing game a boost. Nelson Agholor did not build off his strong opener and Kendrick Bourne has been limited to three catches on the season. Jakobi Meyers leads the wideouts with 10 catches but for just 82 yards. James White is Jones' favorite target with 12 receptions through two games. The Patriots might need to get tight ends Jonnu Smith and Hunter Henry more involved against the Saints tough pass defense. P.J. Williams, Paulson Adebo and newcomer Bradley Roby join Lattimore and Gardner-Johnson with veterans Marcus Williams and Malcolm Jenkins at safety. It's a deep secondary that can take the ball away, and New Orleans also has the top-ranked red zone defense in football, which is not good news for a Patriots offense that has struggled to score.
When the Saints run - Edge: Patriots
New England is coming off a tough outing against the run in New York. The limited Jets rushing attack generated 152 yards on 31 carries, making the Patriots front look vulnerable throughout the day. But the Saints haven't been able to generate much on the ground through two weeks. Alvin Kamara is averaging just over 3 yards a carry with 88 yards on 28 attempts, although those numbers are skewed a bit by his eight-carry, 5-yard performance in Carolina on Sunday. Tony Jones has chipped in with 57 yards on 14 attempts, and head coach Sean Payton likes to use Taysom Hill as a runner on occasion as well. The Patriots will need to tighten up their run fits early to put the ball in Jameis Winston's hands. Kamara is a game-breaker and he figures to be the focal point of New England's defensive game plan. He's been off to a slow start this season, but that can change quickly if the Patriots linebackers aren't ready to deal with him as a runner and receiver. The Saints offensive line has also dealt with injuries as center Erik McCoy missed the Panthers game and was replaced by right guard Cesar Ruiz. Even at full strength the Saints have struggled to run the ball effectively and the Patriots should be able to improve on their Week 2 showing.
When the Saints pass - Edge: Patriots
Winston has been the ultimate trick-or-treat quarterback in the first two weeks. He tossed five touchdown passes in just 20 attempts in the opener but threw a pair of picks while passing for just 111 yards in Carolina the following week. Winston is last in the league in passing yards and the Patriots made life miserable on rookie Zach Wilson on Sunday. J.C. Jackson picked off a pair while Adrian Phillips and Devin McCourty had one each. Saints All-Pro wideout Michael Thomas remains out after undergoing ankle surgery, leaving New Orleans with limited weapons. Kamara is the leading receiver with just seven catches. Marquez Calloway, Deonte Harris, Lil'Jordan Humphrey and Chris Hogan comprise the wideout corps but have combined for just nine catches on the season. Tight ends Adam Trautman and Juwan Johnson also chip in, but this is a very limited passing game. Winston has the ability to make throws and get hot, but he also is prone to mistakes and would appear to be the type of quarterback Bill Belichick loves to face. Winston faced the Patriots once when he was the quarterback in Tampa, completing 26 of 46 passes for 334 yards and a touchdown without an interception in a 19-14 loss. Look for Belichick to pressure Winston a bit to force some errant throws, which has been a problem for the former No. 1 overall pick throughout his career.

Special Teams - Edge: Patriots
Nick Folk just keeps making field goals and the Patriots have needed each and every one of them. He's 7-for-7 on the season and has now made 33 straight to set a franchise record for consecutive field goals. His last miss came last year in Seattle in Week 2 when he misfired from 51 yards out. He's needed to be that effective given the offense's struggles in the red zone. Saints kicker Wil Lutz is on IR so veteran Aldrick Rosas has taken his place. Rosas made his only field goal attempt but also is 6-for-6 on PATs. The punters are both solid with Jake Bailey putting four of his seven attempts inside the 20 while the Saints Blake Gillikin sporting an impressive 44.5-yard net on his eight kicks. Harris has been dangerous on kick returns, averaging 31.2 yards with a long of 39. The Patriots coverage against the Jets was a bit loose so it wouldn't be surprising to see Bailey opting for touchbacks this week. Harris also handles punts for New Orleans. The Patriots haven't gotten much out of their return game with Brandon Bolden (kicks) and Gunner Olszewski (punts) being held under wraps thus far.

QUARTERBACK COMPARISON​


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MAC JONES, QB, PATRIOTS
HT: 6-3 | WT: 217 | COLLEGE: ALABAMA
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This is a 2021 photo of Jameis Winston of the New Orleans Saints NFL football team. This image reflects the New Orleans Saints active roster as of Tuesday, July 27, 2021 when this image was taken. (AP Photo)

JAMEIS WINSTON, QB, SAINTS
HT: 6-4 | WT: 231 | COLLEGE: FLORIDA STATE
Table inside Article
SEASONCOMPATTYDSTDINTLNGSK/YDS
2021254225952554/31

TOP TWO SCORING TEAMS SINCE 2010​

The New England Patriots and the New Orleans Saints are the two highest scoring NFL teams since the 2010 season and the only teams to reach 5,000 points scored during that time frame.
MOST POINTS SCORED SINCE 2010
  • New England Patriots: 5,087
  • New Orleans Saints: 5,021
  • Green Bay Packers: 4,703
Patriots defense celebrates after making a play.

Photo by David Silverman
Patriots defense celebrates after making a play.

TALE OF THE TAPE​

Table inside Article
2021 REGULAR SEASONNEW ENGLANDNEW ORLEANS
Record1-11-1
Divisional Standings1st (T)3rd
Total Yards Gained653450
Total Offense (Rank)326.5 (23)225.0 (32)
Rush Offense113.0 (13)109.5 (17)
Pass Offense213.5 (25)115.5 (32)
Points Per Game20.5 (23)22.5 (18T)
Touchdowns Scored36
Third Down Conversion Pct.50.033.3
Team Passer Rating96.797.2
Total Yards Allowed595612
Total Defense (Rank)297.5 (5)306.0 (7)
Rush Defense113.0 (14)66.0 (3)
Pass Defense184.5 (6)240.0 (13)
Points Allowed/Game11.5 (2T)14.5 (6)
Possession Avg.32:1828:02
Sacks Allowed/Yards Lost4/404/31
Sacks Made/Yards6/434/26
Passing TD/Int. (Off.)1/05/2
Passing TD/Int. (Def.)1/52/3
Penalties Against/Yards14/13817/151
Punts/Avg.7/45.48/49.6
Turnover Differential+3 (2T)+2 (4T)

SERIES HISTORY​


Patriots Chairman and CEO Robert Kraft's first game as owner of the team was a 1994 preseason game at Foxboro Stadium against the Saints. The Patriots won that game 24-6.
The two teams will meet this week in New Orleans in the 15th meeting ever and the first meeting since the Patriots 36-20 win at New Orleans on Sept. 17, 2017.
The Patriots lead the all-time series, 10-4. The Patriots are 5-3 against New Orleans in home games, including 2-0 at Gillette Stadium.
Divisional standings the Pats are tied for 1st?

I would have had them at 3rd behind the Bills who are 2-0 and the Phins who are 1-1 but beat the Pats....what am I missing?
 

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Divisional standings the Pats are tied for 1st?

I would have had them at 3rd behind the Bills who are 2-0 and the Phins who are 1-1 but beat the Pats....what am I missing?
Bills are 1-1
 

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Divisional standings the Pats are tied for 1st?

I would have had them at 3rd behind the Bills who are 2-0 and the Phins who are 1-1 but beat the Pats....what am I missing?
Bills are 1-1 but no losses in the division. While technically they are tied for first (it's too early to consider tie breakers), I agree with you they are fundamentally in 3rd place.
 

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TOP TWO SCORING TEAMS SINCE 2010​

The New England Patriots and the New Orleans Saints are the two highest scoring NFL teams since the 2010 season and the only teams to reach 5,000 points scored during that time frame.

They might have mentioned that all that scoring was by Drew Brees and Tom Brady?

We haven't scored a TD in 2 years!
 

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Judon has not practiced and may miss the Saints. He's has "knee problem", whatever the hell that is.

Van Noy is back after taking a shot to the throat two weeks ago. First time I've ever seen "throat injury".

Right now it looks like Winovich, Bentley or Van Noy, Hightower and Uche will be the line backers.

Supposedly, BB had the DL working on tackling and moving off the blocker yesterday.
 

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Clearly I'm 100% sure you know the word fundamental so you must not be getting my context. My usage means "of central importance" since the pats are already behind in tie breaker logic we should consider them in third place instead of tied for first.
 

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Clearly I'm 100% sure you know the word fundamental so you must not be getting my context. My usage means "of central importance" since the pats are already behind in tie breaker logic we should consider them in third place instead of tied for first.
I just disagree. I hear your point and I'm not buying into it. As someone else said, it's too early to be looking at tie-breakers.
Now if you want to say they are in 3rd place alphabetically?
 

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I just disagree. I hear your point and I'm not buying into it. As someone else said, it's too early to be looking at tie-breakers.
Now if you want to say they are in 3rd place alphabetically?
It's pretty simple.

Miami beat NE

Buffalo beat Miami

Hence Buffalo win over Miami is greater than the Miami win over NE

It gets sticky if NE beats Buffalo at Buffalo Then the Pats have a 2-1 division record and they beat the team that beat the team that beat them.

Like Southie says, let's wait until December.
 

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I just disagree. I hear your point and I'm not buying into it. As someone else said, it's too early to be looking at tie-breakers.
Now if you want to say they are in 3rd place alphabetically?
Ha Ha, I was the one who said that... It is too early because the football will play itself out. At the same time, it's never too early to be cognizant of holes and divots being dug along the way. At this point it's more important now that the Pats beat Miami in Miami. But if the dolphins lose to everyone else and the rest of the conferences/division loses against similar foes then none of it will matter...
 

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Who's taking the Pats? I've got them in two pools.
My confidence pool I put 5 points, so you can see I'm not sure about this week.

In the other pool which we have to pick against the spread I took NE -2.5.

Let' go Pats. Need this one. Don't want to be 1-2 going in the TB game.
 
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