Fred Davis suspended indefinitely w/o pay

[SoCalWizFan]

I will dispute it. Alcohol does do damage to the liver and it's extreme. Marijuana does damage to the brain and it is less extreme, unless you are doing it young. Just because they are both bad, doesn't mean they should both be legal. Traces of alcohol are going within 8 hours...marijuana stays into the system for up to 1 month.

Tobacco is worse but doesn't destroy your mind. It destroys your lungs and many other places because of the carcinogens. See the above.

OTC drugs? Show me the damage that is supposed to be worse.

Perhaps I need to clarify OTC to include prescription drugs. These do all types of damage in this country to include overdoses, lack of productivity and lethal effects when combined with drinking - which happens quite a bit.

Good to know that tobacco doesn't mess with your mind - it only kills people (even the ones who don't smoke). BTW - as you should know - making something illegal generally does not decrease usage (sometime is actually motivates people to use it). By forcing people to go the illegal route you also help increase other types of crime related to distribution and other factors.

It would be great to live in this perfect world where nobody has vices. However - that is not reality & I am only trying to look at things objectively (and not play God or some type of know-it-all in the process).

Oh well - agree to disagree. Again - why is this such a big deal in this thread? Davis' recent troubles are related to alcohol and an over the counter supplement - not pot.

 

[gkekoa]

1) It decreases accidents because it decreases drunk driving. Is this not a good goal?

2) No, it hasn't. The gateway myth is a joke. Second, it has been shown in the case I linked to and others that legalization results in less abuse. There are several thoughts as to why, but the correlation itself is strong and repeated.

3) Personally, yes, it makes me work better, both in physical labor intensive jobs and in programming that is my career. But I'm not making that claim. I'm stating that the idea that making it legal means that any significant number of people who go to work sober now will magically go to work high if it is legal and throw their jobs away.


Again, do actual research instead of relying on laughable and disproven "facts" you learned 80 years ago when no one knew anything. The information is all available, and most of it is pretty easy to find.

1) It decreases the number of DWIs, not necessarily DUIs. There is a huge difference. It will decrease the number of alcohol related accidents but will increase the number of marijuana related accidents. Like I have said before, if I get into an accident, I hope it's with a dope smoker and I hope they are loaded.

2) Show me. Please show me how abuse lessens when it is more available and an accepted practice of society. That doesn't even make sense.

3) BULLSHIT...BULLSHIT


You supply a singular incidence and consider it proof. Did you even read the article? It mentions the reason was not decriminalization but treatment.

I supply reports, not singular incidents, and you consider my sources to be tainted. It's really hilarious.

I'll trump your Portugal and bring up Singapore...Singapore's policy keeps drugs at bay | Michael Teo | Comment is free | theguardian.com

I'd say if you just kill the drug abusers, statistics would be even lower.

 

[JDM]

I will dispute it. Alcohol does do damage to the liver and it's extreme. Marijuana does damage to the brain and it is less extreme, unless you are doing it young. Just because they are both bad, doesn't mean they should both be legal. Traces of alcohol are going within 8 hours...marijuana stays into the system for up to 1 month.

Tobacco is worse but doesn't destroy your mind. It destroys your lungs and many other places because of the carcinogens. See the above.

OTC drugs? Show me the damage that is supposed to be worse.

Marijuana doesn't damage the brain. long term study. To cut to the chase, in a long term study by John Hopkins of over 1000 people over 12 years:

There were no significant differences in cognitive decline between heavy users, light users, and nonusers of cannabis.

1) It decreases the number of DWIs, not necessarily DUIs. There is a huge difference. It will decrease the number of alcohol related accidents but will increase the number of marijuana related accidents. Like I have said before, if I get into an accident, I hope it's with a dope smoker and I hope they are loaded.

2) Show me. Please show me how abuse lessens when it is more available and an accepted practice of society. That doesn't even make sense.

3) BULLSHIT...BULLSHIT


You supply a singular incidence and consider it proof. Did you even read the article? It mentions the reason was not decriminalization but treatment.

I supply reports, not singular incidents, and you consider my sources to be tainted. It's really hilarious.

I'll trump your Portugal and bring up Singapore...Singapore's policy keeps drugs at bay | Michael Teo | Comment is free | theguardian.com

I'd say if you just kill the drug abusers, statistics would be even lower.

1) There is likely some increase in driving high. However, overall accidents under any kind of influence drop significantly.

2) I gave you an example. In other instances of lessened drug laws the results are similar. Do your own research.

3) It's true, and I am talking substantially more effective and productive personally. To the point where a coding project takes 3/4 of the time and physical production rises similarly.


You did not provide a single report. You provided uncited links that were based off of opinion, not research, and pretended they were facts. Provide actual research if you want to be taken seriously.