Godstree
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show me a sign?
I will in Tucumcari.
show me a sign?
show me a sign?
He didn’t create anything, is the problem I have with that statement.
By definition, doesn’t someone need to actually write music to create an entire genre?
They were his arrangements, the tempo, rhythm, what instruments would play what, when. He directed that and it was all determined and driven by the way he interpreted the piece.
Listen to how some of those early songs were done by others before Elvis got a hold of them and compare them to the way Elvis did them. He combined influences from multiple forms to create something new.
Perhaps "created R&R" is too strong, but his influence can't be under-estimated and the "Elvis was just a good-looking guy, who wiggled his hips while ripping off black artists and got lucky" is a simplistic and lazy take, imo. Black artists did get ripped off like crazy, especially back then, but Elvis was much more that that. He's just a convenient target.
I will in Tucumcari.
I think you’re giving far too much credit there. His big hits that people like @desert rat rave about where written and arranged for him. The early covers are covers...They were his arrangements, the tempo, rhythm, what instruments would play what, when. He directed that and it was all determined and driven by the way he interpreted the piece.
Listen to how some of those early songs were done by others before Elvis got a hold of them and compare them to the way Elvis did them. He combined influences from multiple forms to create something new.
Perhaps "created R&R" is too strong, but his influence can't be under-estimated and the "Elvis was just a good-looking guy, who wiggled his hips while ripping off black artists and got lucky" is a simplistic and lazy take, imo. Black artists did get ripped off like crazy, especially back then, but Elvis was much more that that. He's just a convenient target.
I hear Tehachapi & Tonopah are also nice this time of year.
I think you’re giving far too much credit there. His big hits that people like @desert rat rave about where written and arranged for him. The early covers are covers...
He deserves credit as an entertainer, but gets far too much credit as a musician.
Edit to add: I’ve gone extra hard on him in this thread for the sake of the tools stroking him off, there’s nothing wrong with what he did, recycling songs was the thing to do at the time. Just credit where it’s due and all. Going by talent, he should be down the list compared to some of his contemporaries (White, Black, or other).
The thread was officially turned into an Elvis thread long ago.Well the thread is about rock singers, not most talented musicians or rock artists. I honestly don't have 1 favorite. There are many like. I picked Elvis because he's one of them and he was taking far too much abuse in this thread.
Seriously ?
I love Meatloaf and think Bat out of Hell is a top five album. I saw him several times when he was doing small gigs.
Knopfler is another guy who knows how to sing, but wasn't blessed with a great vocal instrument.Agreed.kno
I'm not suggesting that he's one of the best singers or anything, but he's definitely proficient. I love the song Your Latest Trick. Hell, I love that whole album.
Knopfler is another guy who knows how to sing, but wasn't blessed with a great vocal instrument.
I also think he let Chet Atkins buttfuck him....
I love Meatloaf and think Bat out of Hell is a top five album. I saw him several times when he was doing small gigs.