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I guess I can just go ahead and pencil Waller in for 20 targets every single week, cause there is no way that the target share alters at all after week 1, and we all know that teams never start to funnel more targets to guys that produce.

Raiders needed plays at the end of the game, Carr went Edwards way, Edwards made the plays.
That is pretty much what I would consider to be the blueprint for gaining more attention from your QB going forward.

We're talking about a end of bench/stash player...not someone who's locked into a starting lineup

saw about 24 total players have over 80rec yds in week 1, and Edwards was one of the 24, already better than most expected so far.
Well, 20 targets, in a game with OT, so basically 4 a quarter, yes you absolutely can, %100, take it to the bank, bet your house on it, that's not going to change, not with Carr at QB, not unless defenses completely sell out to eliminate him...in which case most of his slack goes to Renfrow running the same type of routes.

This is not a "Gus Edwards" situation where I just don't like the guy, this is watching virtually every play of every Raiders game since a decade ago..Carr will not throw outside the numbers unless forced to, period.
 

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when they needed plays at the end, Carr went his way.
rest of the game was as expected - mostly short stuff to Waller/Renfrow



you must really hate football if you fell asleep during that OT, it was one for the ages
Appears it was. I have seen all the good parts since. And I was excited going into OT because if Jacobs ran a long one in for the win I would have had the weekly high score money... Next thing I knew I was watching the highlights.

Shit is on way too late for East Coast.
 

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Well, 20 targets, in a game with OT, so basically 4 a quarter, yes you absolutely can, %100, take it to the bank, bet your house on it, that's not going to change, not with Carr at QB, not unless defenses completely sell out to eliminate him...in which case most of his slack goes to Renfrow running the same type of routes.

Checks the math...you got 270+ targets for Waller this season...TE1 season is here!
 

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Checks the math...you got 270+ targets for Waller this season...TE1 season is here!
Well, he is a TE1, and I didn't express it clearly, but it's more of the target share percentage remaining constant than the raw numbers. 19 targets for Waller out of 56 is %34, I have zero doubts he'll consistently be on the 25-30+ percentage of however many targets Carr dishes out. I definitely don't expect Carr to throw 56 times very often, even in OT. Renfrow is gonna remain a high percentage, and it's obvious Drake will be receiving a large piece of the pie.

You know I love Edwards, and I really really WANT both he and Ruggs to be involved, heavily, so it's not for lack of desire, and I take no joy in pointing it out. But it is what it is. Carr threw 56 times, 5 to Edwards and 5 to Ruggs, the dude just doesn't utilize guys outside the numbers, hasn't ever since he got a hard on for Cook way back when. Even Aggie last year and his "career year"..88 targets, under 900 yards, only one game with ten or more targets (shockingly, one of his worst games, 4 catches 30 some yards).

Yes they are bench guys, they are roster worthy, especially in a dynasty format. But until Carr is gone, which can't happen fast enough, that's where they are, and every glimmer of hope is just a tease.
 

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Was curious about most targets in a season...most by a TE. With the extra game I think Waller demolishes that almost 10 rpg average. I think he gets 13 rpg for 221 total :shocked:

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Was curious about most targets in a season...most by a TE. With the extra game I think Waller demolishes that almost 10 rpg average. I think he gets 13 rpg for 221 total :shocked:

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He might..the only thing stopping him is that the Raiders have no desire to base their offense on Carr throwing it a ton. I'm sure the gameplans, if they can stick to it from time to time, likely only have Carr throwing it 25-30 times, (for reference, Carr averaged 32 passes per game last year, 8+ of those went to Waller every week..on average) which still gets Waller and his %25+ target share 6-8 a game..which still puts him on pace to approach and/or eclipse Ertz's 156 (8 per game is 128 plus week 1's 19= 147). There is no other QB that can match Carr for TE friendly-ness.

I do think 13 per game is likely a stretch, because, as mentioned, the Raiders don't want Carr having to throw 40 times a game. Week one's 56 was not only a result of overtime, but also Jacob's being doubled over puking on the sidelines for 3/4's of the game. When he's %100, they'd much prefer a much more balanced attack. If they did ask Carr to throw it more often, Waller likely would've broken that record last year
 

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Well, he is a TE1, and I didn't express it clearly, but it's more of the target share percentage remaining constant than the raw numbers. 19 targets for Waller out of 56 is %34, I have zero doubts he'll consistently be on the 25-30+ percentage of however many targets Carr dishes out. I definitely don't expect Carr to throw 56 times very often, even in OT. Renfrow is gonna remain a high percentage, and it's obvious Drake will be receiving a large piece of the pie.

You know I love Edwards, and I really really WANT both he and Ruggs to be involved, heavily, so it's not for lack of desire, and I take no joy in pointing it out. But it is what it is. Carr threw 56 times, 5 to Edwards and 5 to Ruggs, the dude just doesn't utilize guys outside the numbers, hasn't ever since he got a hard on for Cook way back when. Even Aggie last year and his "career year"..88 targets, under 900 yards, only one game with ten or more targets (shockingly, one of his worst games, 4 catches 30 some yards).

Yes they are bench guys, they are roster worthy, especially in a dynasty format. But until Carr is gone, which can't happen fast enough, that's where they are, and every glimmer of hope is just a tease.
Gruden is showing ruggs was a wasted pick. He doesnt know how to use him. Ruggs has a route tree.
 

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Gruden is showing ruggs was a wasted pick. He doesnt know how to use him. Ruggs has a route tree.
yep..so does Edwards, I'm still uncertain if its Gruden that doesn't know how to use them, or that Carr just won't throw the friggin ball outside the numbers or down the field unless its up the seem. Might be both
 

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yep..so does Edwards, I'm still uncertain if its Gruden that doesn't know how to use them, or that Carr just won't throw the friggin ball outside the numbers or down the field unless its up the seem. Might be both
Yep yep. They both def do. Potential to be a lethal young combo+ waller. Oh and his misuse of jacobs.

Ugh gruden.

Bell also is hard to block for. He greatly benefitted from the steelers top notch o
Line. @FaCe-LeE-uS can back that up. The line even stated at times how hard it hard it was to block for him. He had great talent, but in no way was he gonna be that guy elsewhere. I didnt think hed be this bad but yeah. Bad combo of poor advice, inflated ego, diminishing skills, and stupidity.
 

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Yep yep. They both def do. Potential to be a lethal young combo+ waller. Oh and his misuse of jacobs.

Ugh gruden.

Bell also is hard to block for. He greatly benefitted from the steelers top notch o
Line. @FaCe-LeE-uS can back that up. The line even stated at times how hard it hard it was to block for him. He had great talent, but in no way was he gonna be that guy elsewhere. I didnt think hed be this bad but yeah. Bad combo of poor advice, inflated ego, diminishing skills, and stupidity.
I get the whole Steelers line deal, and his style, and the nice mesh they were together. But honest question..Is Bell really to the point where if there's already a gaping hole to run through, as there is often times in Baltimore..isn't he smart enough to hit that gaping hole directly in front of him? Running stretch plays and waiting for the cutback to present itself is one thing, and I get that that's not his bag unless the line is elite at it, but grabbing the ball and heading straight through a wide open gaping hole..like Gus, and Ingram and DObbins, and anyone else who's ever been back there with Lamar, did often times..shouldnt' he be able to handle that? He didn't have either the great line for cut backs, nor the gaping holes created by the RPO's, in NY or KC either so I truly have no idea if he can or can't.
 

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I get the whole Steelers line deal, and his style, and the nice mesh they were together. But honest question..Is Bell really to the point where if there's already a gaping hole to run through, as there is often times in Baltimore..isn't he smart enough to hit that gaping hole directly in front of him? Running stretch plays and waiting for the cutback to present itself is one thing, and I get that that's not his bag unless the line is elite at it, but grabbing the ball and heading straight through a wide open gaping hole..like Gus, and Ingram and DObbins, and anyone else who's ever been back there with Lamar, did often times..shouldnt' he be able to handle that? He didn't have either the great line for cut backs, nor the gaping holes created by the RPO's, in NY or KC either so I truly have no idea if he can or can't.

as of today, Devonta Freeman is doing that better than him, so what does that tell ya that Bell has left in the tank?
 

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as of today, Devonta Freeman is doing that better than him, so what does that tell ya that Bell has left in the tank?
Ha, well, all we know for certain is they feel he's better prepared to do so. Freeman spent the offseason on a roster..he's ready to play...mostly. we don't know what Bell was doing, but he wasn't on a roster training and practicing and taking the field
 

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Ha, well, all we know for certain is they feel he's better prepared to do so. Freeman spent the offseason on a roster..he's ready to play...mostly. we don't know what Bell was doing, but he wasn't on a roster training and practicing and taking the field

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as of today, Devonta Freeman is doing that better than him, so what does that tell ya that Bell has left in the tank?
Ravens staff on zoom...

Well, we can pick between the Achilles guy or the glazed, jelly filled guy. Who ya got?
 

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we don't know what Bell was doing, but he wasn't on a roster training and practicing and taking the field
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I get the whole Steelers line deal, and his style, and the nice mesh they were together. But honest question..Is Bell really to the point where if there's already a gaping hole to run through, as there is often times in Baltimore..isn't he smart enough to hit that gaping hole directly in front of him? Running stretch plays and waiting for the cutback to present itself is one thing, and I get that that's not his bag unless the line is elite at it, but grabbing the ball and heading straight through a wide open gaping hole..like Gus, and Ingram and DObbins, and anyone else who's ever been back there with Lamar, did often times..shouldnt' he be able to handle that? He didn't have either the great line for cut backs, nor the gaping holes created by the RPO's, in NY or KC either so I truly have no idea if he can or can't.
Honestly it's questionable. His running style isnt cut and hit the hole. Its wait, wait, wait for a bigger hole and blockers. Theres definitely times that he did not hit the hole and take whats given. Yeah. Its a truly odd and unique running style.

Honestly to me. Even a guy like latavius murray, or (i am not saying this player to poke you! Legit because hes been in the news recently and true one cut guy, iirc) alfred morris. Hes just not that guy. So for the ravens who that style fits, alf would honestly be better fit imho. Alf will take exactly whats given to him. Bell would pause, side step, then hit it get 1 yard when 4 was availble. In Pittsburgh decastro and pouncey would pancake the first guy then go block second level and hed end up with 8 yards. Then bell would slip in a few magical runs.
 
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