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end of the road neal.

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Neal was hired following the 2007 season. He has been on the job for four years already. There is little evidence to suggest that 2012 will be a breakout year and plenty of reason to remain pessimistic about the state of the minors.
Although the farm system is improved it is still not as good as 4 years worth of top draft picks and liberal trading of assets (particularly Bay) would have lead us to believe it would be.
If we choose to be generous then you might call neals efforts in rebuilding the minors his 'greatest success'. Even so i think we are about to transition into a new phase and that we are increasingly in need of a gm who can add pieces to the major league team. Cut neal loose now - and if his farm-building ever bears fruit then we can look back on and celebrate his successes rather than moan about his failures. He may have been the sort of gm we needed then, but hes not the sort of gm that we need now.
Now we need a gm who is capable of of luring quality free agents to pittsburgh to supplement the young guys who are starting to trickle in. Neal has had four offseasons to find value in free agency and has not been successful even once. His tenure is littered with failures like iwamura and overbay. We cant excuse 3 or 4 million dollar failures that result in zero production. Better to grossly overpay a guy like pena than to throw money at nothing. Pena just signed. 7.25 million to play in tampa bay. Lee refused an arbitration offer that likely wouldve paid him more than hell get in free agency. Kotchman isnt very good and other- better firstbasemen werent in our price range even according to the most optimistic accounting. Neal had ONE pressing need to fill and he didnt even manage to fill it adequately. A flier on evans and a fat platoon candidate. He added 3 million at SS for what is likely to be a miniscule increase in production. His starting pitcher pickup is always injured. He downgraded at c.
Cant you see? Even if the stars align perfectly neal will have succeeded in spite of himself. You cant call any part of his offseason plan adequate. Even a .500 season would be a failure in my eyes when you compare it to my most pessimistic projections made in 2007 when dl was fired. I never wouldve dreamed that in 2012 we'd still look like a team thats a few years away.
 

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I normally don't do "me too" or +1 posts. But this one is too on target to pass up. I agree on all counts.

Unfortuantely, the site wouldn't allow me to "Add to Illinest's reputation." When I tried to do that, a little window popped up, stating that I had to spread reputation around before giving it to Illinest again.

The same thing has happened repeatedly when I've tried to add reputation to several other regulars on this board. Since we have a relatively small community, it seemed that the relevant rules were too restrictive. So I contacted a site administrator about the problem. He didn't know the details about those restrictions off-hand, but said he would look into it and try to help. That email exchange took place last month.
 

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I normally don't do "me too" or +1 posts. But this one is too on target to pass up. I agree on all counts.

Unfortuantely, the site wouldn't allow me to "Add to Illinest's reputation." When I tried to do that, a little window popped up, stating that I had to spread reputation around before giving it to Illinest again.

The same thing has happened repeatedly when I've tried to add reputation to several other regulars on this board. Since we have a relatively small community, it seemed that the relevant rules were too restrictive. So I contacted a site administrator about the problem. He didn't know the details about those restrictions off-hand, but said he would look into it and try to help. That email exchange took place last month.



Mags, you have to spread an equal amount of rep around... meaning different people than you've given it to, recently.

Hope that helps.
 

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I sadly, have to agree. As you guys know, I have been a Huntington supporter.

However, he simply has to start adding to the Major League Roster. I don't mean with fliers, projects or over the hill players, that we are hoping to squeeze another yr of production out of.

I mean Legit, Long Term, Pieces to this team that will help us be successful when the Draft Pks get here.

Whether it be through trades or actually spending some money & actually making an impact signing or two.

Simply put, the Draft pks were & are a step in the right direction. However, many of them as we all know, will not pan out. If Huntington thinks that he can build a championship contender exclusively based on his drafts alone, than we as fans, may never see a World Series Championship again for the Pirates.

This management team is going to have to spend some sort of cash to get legit MLB players & options for this team. Also, Huntington has to be willing to pull the trigger on an impactful Baseball trade for this team, in season & not just go for his usual trading deadline, prospect hunt, salary dumps.

If Huntington or Nutting are unwilling to do these types of moves, than we are just spinning our wheels as a franchise & we may never win again.

Very sad thoughts.

Burgh.
 
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Mags, you have to spread an equal amount of rep around... meaning different people than you've given it to, recently.

Hope that helps.

Thanks evolver. I DO understand the concept of spreading rep around, rather than giving it all to one poster..... but I don't understand the notion of spreading an EQUAL amount. That makes the whole process kind of pointless.

When I read a post which I think is particularly good, I try to add rep for that poster. More often than not, I'm told that I need to spread rep around.

The relatively small number of regulars here makes the process increasingly difficult. I have actually sought out good posts of 5 or 6 different regulars, tried to add rep to each one, and received the same "spread it around" message each time.

That's why I contacted the site admins.
 

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Illinest, Mags and Burgh could not agree more!
 

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rep is a problematic gadget that gets removed from many message boards large and small... It becomes less and less useful as it gets used and or the board goes on..
 
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