Dick Allen and Dave Parker voted into the mlb Hall of Fame

[Cedrique]

Dave Parker and Dick Allen elected to baseball's Hall of Fame

They will be inducted into the Hall in Cooperstown, New York, on July 27 along with players voted in by the Baseball Writers’ Association of America.

apnews.com

 

[navamind]

I think Parker's a very dubious selection, Rice-esque (and honestly I'd argue Rice was better). Parker was great at his peak, but it was a very short peak. He barely has over 40 WAR. But I get it, he has a unique place in baseball history and he's in poor health. I think Allen was way overdue.

I would have put Tiant and Boyer in. Tommy John..... ehhhh. Feels like a rich man's Wakefield.

 

[msgkings322]

I think Parker's a very dubious selection, Rice-esque (and honestly I'd argue Rice was better). Parker was great at his peak, but it was a very short peak. He barely has over 40 WAR. But I get it, he has a unique place in baseball history and he's in poor health. I think Allen was way overdue.

I would have put Tiant and Boyer in. Tommy John..... ehhhh. Feels like a rich man's Wakefield.

TJ has a ton of wins and the surgery alone should get him over the top

Agree on Tiant and Parker. Both close but I’m fine with it. Until B and C are in the place is a joke anyway

 

[msgkings322]

Dick Allen was a good add

 

[Pure Steel]

Dick Allen was a good add

Long overdue

 

[navamind]

TJ has a ton of wins and the surgery alone should get him over the top

Agree on Tiant and Parker. Both close but I’m fine with it. Until B and C are in the place is a joke anyway

he also played forever. Not saying to totally discount the longevity, but I just don't think there's enough excellence. I don't think it's a travesty especially when you consider his influence outside of his on-field performance, but I just think there's better pitchers who have gotten way less consideration.

 

[broncosmitty]

I forgot Dick Allen wasn’t already in.


HOF can suck all the dicks still.

 

[catman]

Unfortunately, Dick Allen didn't live long enough to be enshrined in person. He was one of the most feared hitters of his era.

 

[navamind]

Unfortunately, Dick Allen didn't live long enough to be enshrined in person. He was one of the most feared hitters of his era.

I'd say all-time, not just for his era. Career 156 OPS+ puts him in a tie for 25th with Frank Thomas. His 1972 season is insane given how poor of an environment it was for hitters. League average hitter was batting .244/.311/.354... he hit .308/.420/.603 (199 OPS+)

 

[steveringo]

Sad for El Tiante, but whatever.... Congrats to Allen & Parker...

 

[Cedrique]

I think Parker's a very dubious selection, Rice-esque (and honestly I'd argue Rice was better). Parker was great at his peak, but it was a very short peak. He barely has over 40 WAR. But I get it, he has a unique place in baseball history and he's in poor health. I think Allen was way overdue.

I would have put Tiant and Boyer in. Tommy John..... ehhhh. Feels like a rich man's Wakefield.

Yeah I was a little surprised he got in. Like I've said before though, he definitely had the Fame part and was a feared hitter for a few years but I also thought that career WAR of 40 was extremely low compared to other Hall of Famers. He may have helped his cause in those last 4-5 years where he just ham and egged it as a league average replacement level guy because that got him to 2700 hits, which for some voters may have meant something.

An interesting thing I noticed though is in 1978 he led all position players with a WAR of 7.0. That seems extremely low for the leader. Could it be that there was more parity among the player talent in those years? Like maybe there are more bad players now, with the addition of the Dbacks and Rockies and some talented athletes going to other sports? I don't know if that changes anything about his hall of fame credentials, it's just interesting.

 

[calsnowskier]

Allen was never on my radar, but his last good year was the year I was born, so that is understandable. And the fact he was a nomad doesn’t help him build a legend. But looking at his numbers, he looks like he belongs.

I “found” the game in ‘86, which was a bit after Parker’s hay day, but he was still The Cobra and had the rep of a beast. I personally don’t have a prob with his induction, even if I am not certain I would have given my support if I were in the room.

 

[calsnowskier]

Broadcasters will be named tomorrow. Both Krukow and Kuiper are finalist this year. While they have both been finalist in the past, this is the first time they have been finalists in the same year. Traditionally, they only name 1 broadcaster per year, but there is a possibility they enshrine those guys together, because you simply can’t split them up.

 

[navamind]

Yeah I was a little surprised he got in. Like I've said before though, he definitely had the Fame part and was a feared hitter for a few years but I also thought that career WAR of 40 was extremely low compared to other Hall of Famers. He may have helped his cause in those last 4-5 years where he just ham and egged it as a league average replacement level guy because that got him to 2700 hits, which for some voters may have meant something.

An interesting thing I noticed though is in 1978 he led all position players with a WAR of 7.0. That seems extremely low for the leader. Could it be that there was more parity among the player talent in those years? Like maybe there are more bad players now, with the addition of the Dbacks and Rockies and some talented athletes going to other sports? I don't know if that changes anything about his hall of fame credentials, it's just interesting.

The NL had a little more parity imo. AL had three more teams than the NL with 85+ wins, but the AL also had a couple of 100+ loss teams. NL worst record was 66-96, which honestly doesn't seem that awful for a bottom team.

I think it was also just a year without a lot of standout seasons. A lot of the top NL guys were outfielders with inferior batting stats anyway. Feels a lot like the 06 AL MVP race, though at least 1978 got the right guy IMO. Sometimes you just get a weak field.

 

[TheGoodMan19]

Unfortunately, Dick Allen didn't live long enough to be enshrined in person. He was one of the most feared hitters of his era.

So similar to Albert Belle. Feared hitter. Changed his first name. And pissed off everyone he came in contact with