depth in 2018

[skinsdad62]

#HailMail: How Does The Redskins' Depth Stack Up? 

this will be a huge issue this year . lots of unproven guys being asked to fill major roles

 

[Skins2021]

who needs depth?

 

[Stymietee]

I believe that question was addressed in 2017. Consider all of the injuries and hopefully a return to action of the same. Guys who got significant PT will now either keep their starting roles or return to backup status. The depth question has been answered.

 

[Skins2021]

I believe that question was addressed in 2017. Consider all of the injuries and hopefully a return to action of the same. Guys who got significant PT will now either keep their starting roles or return to backup status. The depth question has been answered.

did you think Clemmings filled in admirably on the offensive line?

What about Kalis and Catalina?

You were a big fan of Kapri Bibbs, LeShun Daniels, and Maurice Harris?

Did you think that Ziggy Hood and AJ Francis are admirable rotational pieces?

Fish Smithson and Deshazor Everrett were a fun group at safety.

Martell Spaight has played meaningless snaps for the redskins 2 years in a row and has always left a lot to be desired.

oh.... and our depth got significantly worse this offseason

 

[Sharkinva]

Will we have depth is not the question. Ever team fields 53 players, so in reality depth is there..

Now QUALITY of the depth was, is and might continue to be the issue.

 

[Stymietee]

did you think Clemmings filled in admirably on the offensive line?

What about Kalis and Catalina?

You were a big fan of Kapri Bibbs, LeShun Daniels, and Maurice Harris?

Did you think that Ziggy Hood and AJ Francis are admirable rotational pieces?

Fish Smithson and Deshazor Everrett were a fun group at safety.

Martell Spaight has played meaningless snaps for the redskins 2 years in a row and has always left a lot to be desired.

oh.... and our depth got significantly worse this offseason

The question was about depth, not how well the second tier performers matched up against our starters. They all got quality time and experiences, that alone addresses the depth question. So what's the depth question? whether or not our backups can step in and perform, answer = YES!

BTW: how well they performed in 2017 only gives us an idea as to what they minimally will give, the experience gained speaks well of improved future performance(s). They all now know what must be worked on to either supplant the current starter or compete for continued PT.

 

[Stymietee]

Will we have depth is not the question. Ever team fields 53 players, so in reality depth is there..

Now QUALITY of the depth was, is and might continue to be the issue.

Exactly, however, there's nothing like actual experience and from that perspective, our team was forced into giving their subs significant real live experience. This helps everyone, the coaches get to evaluate them against NFL level competition, the players learn about their strengths and weaknesses. Appropriate moves all around can then be made.

 

[Breed]

did you think Clemmings filled in admirably on the offensive line?

What about Kalis and Catalina?

You were a big fan of Kapri Bibbs, LeShun Daniels, and Maurice Harris?

Did you think that Ziggy Hood and AJ Francis are admirable rotational pieces?

Fish Smithson and Deshazor Everrett were a fun group at safety.

Martell Spaight has played meaningless snaps for the redskins 2 years in a row and has always left a lot to be desired.

oh.... and our depth got significantly worse this offseason

That's another guy who needs to go. Love his attitude, love the speed and the way he looks at time on the field. Problem is dude can't stay on the field for any significant time due to injury.

I was a big fan of Harris. I actually thought he was injured last year and just got back against Minny. Found out the next day via some Kirk Cousins comments. That he was making great catches (maybe not as great as the catch against Minny) for weeks in practice and was like WTF Jay?

So Harris wasn't hurt and with our group of subpar WRs last year he didn't warrant a single look in a real game till fuckin week 11? That's some bullshit. Meanwhile you'd put Jordan Reed on the field in a fuckin wheelchair and one arm in a sling if you could.

I also like Dunbar.

 

[Sharkinva]

That's another guy who needs to go. Love his attitude, love the speed and the way he looks at time on the field. Problem is dude can't stay on the field for any significant time due to injury.

I was a big fan of Harris. I actually thought he was injured last year and just got back against Minny. Found out the next day via some Kirk Cousins comments. That he was making great catches (maybe not as great as the catch against Minny) for weeks in practice and was like WTF Jay?

So Harris wasn't hurt and with our group of subpar WRs last year he didn't warrant a single look in a real game till fuckin week 11? That's some bullshit. Meanwhile you'd put Jordan Reed on the field in a fuckin wheelchair and one arm in a sling if you could.

I also like Dunbar.

Breed I think you are under the mistaken assumption that our coach is allowed to do things like decide who actually gets playing time. When in reality I think this is far from the case. Sure Jay might get to say, well these are the guys I would like to feature. But something tells me Jay gets that weekly (daily?) call asking why isnt this player or that player being used more?? And I get the feeling those questions are not asked about guys like Harris. There is a reason why they were forcing plays to Doctson and Pryor even when they werent producing.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Breed I think you are under the mistaken assumption that our coach is allowed to do things like decide who actually gets playing time. When in reality I think this is far from the case. Sure Jay might get to say, well these are the guys I would like to feature. But something tells me Jay gets that weekly (daily?) call asking why isnt this player or that player being used more?? And I get the feeling those questions are not asked about guys like Harris. There is a reason why they were forcing plays to Doctson and Pryor even when they werent producing.

What? Is everything a conspiracy for you? Please show me some proof about the things you mention in your post. Last season Gruden & co didn't have much of a choice - injuries mandated who took the field for the most part. BTW - if what you say is correct then why was Gruden the one who elevated Cousins to start when at the time everyone thought RG3 would be the starter. If your theories are correct then no way in hell Cousins would have been even named opening day starter several years ago & Gruden named him the starter for the entire season.

Again - I think that Snyder and Allen make lots of bad moves & I am no fan of theirs. However - this idea that they almost are trying to ruin the team & give Gruden almost no freedom seems very far fetched to me. BTW - on most teams high draft picks and big $$ FAs are given preference over other players - it is just how teams and human beings act in general - it is not specific to the Redskins.

 

[Skins2021]

That's another guy who needs to go. Love his attitude, love the speed and the way he looks at time on the field. Problem is dude can't stay on the field for any significant time due to injury.

I was a big fan of Harris. I actually thought he was injured last year and just got back against Minny. Found out the next day via some Kirk Cousins comments. That he was making great catches (maybe not as great as the catch against Minny) for weeks in practice and was like WTF Jay?

So Harris wasn't hurt and with our group of subpar WRs last year he didn't warrant a single look in a real game till fuckin week 11? That's some bullshit. Meanwhile you'd put Jordan Reed on the field in a fuckin wheelchair and one arm in a sling if you could.

I also like Dunbar.

woops... meant to say meaningful snaps not meaningless.

I would trade Jordan Reed for a 4th round pick right now if it was offered... best ability is availability...

hmmm... another incredibly underrated part of Cousins game.... tough as nails even when he was getting killed on every single drop back against Seattle he sprung right back up.

Unlike RG3 who would lay on the ground that extra second or two for dramatic effect while also simultaneously throwing the coach, line, and receivers under the bus

 

[Sharkinva]

What? Is everything a conspiracy for you? Please show me some proof about the things you mention in your post. Last season Gruden & co didn't have much of a choice - injuries mandated who took the field for the most part. BTW - if what you say is correct then why was Gruden the one who elevated Cousins to start when at the time everyone thought RG3 would be the starter. If your theories are correct then no way in hell Cousins would have been even named opening day starter several years ago & Gruden named him the starter for the entire season.

Again - I think that Snyder and Allen make lots of bad moves & I am no fan of theirs. However - this idea that they almost are trying to ruin the team & give Gruden almost no freedom seems very far fetched to me. BTW - on most teams high draft picks and big $$ FAs are given preference over other players - it is just how teams and human beings act in general - it is not specific to the Redskins.

First i have never said or implied that Dan and Bruce are trying to ruin the team. In fact, I think everything they have done and will do in their opinion is a brilliant move.

But that doesnt mean they havent and dont still continue to meddle in things that should be coaches domain. I do think that SMGM siding with Gruden to start Cousins played a huge roll in his getting fired.

 

[Skins2021]

What? Is everything a conspiracy for you? Please show me some proof about the things you mention in your post. Last season Gruden & co didn't have much of a choice - injuries mandated who took the field for the most part. BTW - if what you say is correct then why was Gruden the one who elevated Cousins to start when at the time everyone thought RG3 would be the starter. If your theories are correct then no way in hell Cousins would have been even named opening day starter several years ago & Gruden named him the starter for the entire season.

Again - I think that Snyder and Allen make lots of bad moves & I am no fan of theirs. However - this idea that they almost are trying to ruin the team & give Gruden almost no freedom seems very far fetched to me. BTW - on most teams high draft picks and big $$ FAs are given preference over other players - it is just how teams and human beings act in general - it is not specific to the Redskins.

A Team of Chaos: Dan Snyder's Redskins Through the Years

Conspiracy?!?! Please remove your head from your ass

here are some parts that jumped out to me from this article:

December 2000 – After reports that Pepper Rodgers had been hired as coach of the team, Terry Robiskie is introduced as the interim coach of the Redskins. In the strange introductory news conference, Rodgers informs the media that “football is a game of fight.” Robiskie makes it clear he’s not interested in fighting and is willing to cede to Snyder’s wishes to play George over Johnson. At one point he tells the media, “If Mr. Snyder wants me to put my desk out in the hall, I’ll put it out in the hall.”

October 2001 – At an appearance at the National Press Club, Snyder is questioned about the Redskins 0-3 start under Schottenehimer. Snyder first coyly says, “Y’all didn’t want me to meddle.” He then adds, “Marty Schottenheimer’s record is impeccable. I believe in him. We all must have a little more faith than we do. Joe Gibbs was 0-5 his first year here. We need to give Coach Schottenheimer a little more time.”

Meantime, Snyder and Rodgers, who coached Steve Spurrier at Florida, begin attending Florida games coached by Spurrier, explaining that they’re doing some early scouting.

January 2002 – Redskins finish the season 8-8 as reports surface that Snyder wants to hire Spurrier. A week of talks between Snyder and Schottenheimer ensues with Snyder reportedly trying to reclaim some of the power on personnel decisions that he had turned over. When talks fail, Schottenheimer is fired with three years left on a four-year contract and Spurrier is hired for a reported $25 million over five years. Two weeks later, reported talks to bring Bobby Beathard back as general manager fail and Cerrato returns as director of player personnel.

Asked when first round pick Patrick Ramsey might get his chance to start at quarterback, Spurrier says “next year.” Next year turns out to be next quarter. When Wuerffel hurts his shoulder on the first series, Ramsey goes the rest of the way in a 31-14 victory. That earns a start the following week against New Orleans. The rookie throws four interceptions and is sacked seven times in the brutal loss. Spurrier calls the quarterback roll the rest of the year with Ramsey and Wuerffel returning to the lineup. The Redskins finish the season 7-9.

September 2003 – Snyder loads up on free agents, mostly from the Jets, including wide receiver Laveraneus Coles, who asks for $10 million guaranteed and is offered $13 million. Snyder also has control of the final roster, electing to cut Wuerffel against Spurrier’s wishes at the end of training camp, leaving Rob Johnson as the backup quarterback behind Ramsey. The Redskins start the season 3-1, including a win over the New England Patriots, who don’t lose again until the following season.

March 2008 – Angry at the Washington Post for reporting that he’d cut down trees on his property without permission from the National Park Service, Snyder grants what the Washington Times touts as an exclusive interview with the owner. In the interview, Snyder tells Dave Elfin, “I’ve made plenty of mistakes, but I’ve learned from my mistakes, as a good entrepreneur, a good CEO, would do. I’ve matured. I wasn’t patient enough in certain areas early on. I didn’t understand the agents, the contractual relationship with the salary cap, the importance of age of players. Now it’s easy for me, second nature.” Snyder went on to tell him that they were impressed with Zorn the moment they met him and said he was similar to Gibbs in being steady and without panic.

Cerrato says Snyder is informed that Portis is not happy with Zorn. At that point, Cerrato says he’s dispatched by Snyder to fix the situation. Cerrato says he then went over to the Redskins practice facility to inform Zorn just how important Portis is to the organization. The Redskins lose the game and finish the season 8-8.

August 2009 – The Broncos shop quarterback Jay Cutler, who makes it clear he can’t work with the new coach. The Redskins put together a package of picks plus Jason Campbell. The Bears offer a similar package of picks plus their quarterback Kyle Orton. The Broncos decide they like Orton better than Campbell and make the trade with Chicago. Campbell tells Peter King of Sports Illustrated that he feels like he was treated “like a piece of toilet paper.”

October 2009 – Former NFL assistant Sherman Lewis is hired as an offensive consultant. In a conference call with reporters, Cerrato is asked what Lewis has been doing. He says he doesn’t exactly know, but he thinks Lewis’ son is a coach at Eastern Michigan. Lewis tells reporters what he’s actually been doing is “calling bingo games at the senior center.”

April 2010 – The Redskins give up two high draft picks, including their second-rounder for Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb. Shanahan later says he signed off on McNabb, but not the price.

November 2012 – Despite spectacular play from RGIII in the first half of the season, the Redskins head into the bye week at 3-6. Shanahan tells the media it’s time to look at players who can help them in the years to come. While some see that as a sign of give up, Griffin vows to come back from the bye better than ever to help the Redskins make the playoffs. True to his word, the wins begin to pile up. Included is a spectacular performance at Dallas on Thanksgiving Day. Given permission to stay in Dallas to see his alma mater play at the same stadium a day later, Snyder stays behind to have Thanksgiving dinner with Griffin and his family.

January 2014 – Shanahan is fired. Allen declares himself completely in charge and hires offensive guru Jay Gruden to try and fix RGIII. In an early interview, Gruden says it would be foolish to turn Griffin into a pocket passer. Days later he reverses field and says he has to turn Griffin into a drop-back passer.

January 2015 – Days after Allen holds a contentious news conference in which he’s challenged about his “winning off the field” comment during the season, Scott McCloughan is hired as the first general manager of the Redskins since Charley Casserly was fired more than 15 years before. Allen says Gruden will have complete control. Asked about an ESPN interview that McCloughan had given in which he said he was controlling his drinking problem with beer, Allen says it’s not a concern.

February 2015 – At the scouting combine, Gruden does an about face and says that Griffin is the starter. End of story. No competition. The Redskins pick up the $16 million option on his contract, which Allen calls “a no-brainer.”

 

[Breed]

Breed I think you are under the mistaken assumption that our coach is allowed to do things like decide who actually gets playing time. When in reality I think this is far from the case. Sure Jay might get to say, well these are the guys I would like to feature. But something tells me Jay gets that weekly (daily?) call asking why isnt this player or that player being used more?? And I get the feeling those questions are not asked about guys like Harris. There is a reason why they were forcing plays to Doctson and Pryor even when they werent producing.

I'd like to outright dispute your claim, but given what we've seen in the past. I can't. The number of coaches Snyder didn't meddle with were 2. Marty, whom he promptly fired after a season and Joe Gibbs. Everyone else, Shanny's bitch ass, Spurrier's dumb ass, Zorn's clueless ass, Norv's triflin ass, were all meddled with.

It amazes me that any Skins fan has any trust in our present FO.

 

[Ruzious]

As long as Allen is here, this will be a disfunctional organization. If there was any doubt, we saw how he first undermined GMSM's authority and then fired him. And he clearly is NOT A FOOTBALL man. He's a negotiator. But he has the authority to do whatever the hell he pleases, and if anyone says no - he will be removed. And... did I mention he's NOT A FOOTBALL MAN? He's not a coach. He's not a personnel man. He's a negotiator/empty suit. And he's in control of the team. I still haven't reached the point where I'm giving up on being a fan, but every year, the interest decreases.

 

[Sportster 72]

You guys that keep bitching about sharks analogy .... I have a question for you. How good has this team been for the past 20 years?

Not sure where you have been either it has been suggested by a lot more than one person that maybe the coach isn't deciding who gets to start.

NFL meeting is going on down in Florida right now P&GMBA was granting interviews today. He would not give 106.7 the Fan an interview. Know why? He was pissed at the things they said about him last year. Class act. Craig Hoffman is going to try again tomorrow and it would be a shame if he doesn't give him an interview. He has been more than fair to Bruce unlike Chris Russell who has bad mouthed Allen at every turn since BA fired CR from WTEM. The point of this is just to show the kind of person BA is and really Vinny was no different.

 

[Stymietee]

.... I have a question for you. How good has this team been for the past 20 years?

Not sure where you have been either it has been suggested by a lot more than one person that maybe the coach isn't deciding who gets to start.

Sure the team has been awful for the last twenty years, but let's talk about what you've posted and I've underlined above. How difficult is it to take every side of an issue, then proclaim how right you've (generic use) been once things play out? I remember clearly many posters agreeing that Gruden stood up for Kirk and permanently hitching his tenure here to whatever happened with him going forward. That was cool, except the same posters were proclaiming how feckless everyone not named Bruce or Dan were when decisions had to be made.

Now it's see how right I've been? yeah OK!!

 

[Sportster 72]

Sure the team has been awful for the last twenty years, but let's talk about what you've posted and I've underlined above. How difficult is it to take every side of an issue, then proclaim how right you've (generic use) been once things play out? I remember clearly many posters agreeing that Gruden stood up for Kirk and permanently hitching his tenure here to whatever happened with him going forward. That was cool, except the same posters were proclaiming how feckless everyone not named Bruce or Dan were when decisions had to be made.

Now it's see how right I've been? yeah OK!!

Not sure of the point you are making Sty, dumb it down for me.

 

[Stymietee]

Not sure of the point you are making Sty, dumb it down for me.

Not sure that I can make it more clear than what I previously posted, but here goes...

First part, I'm agreeing with you that this team has not been good for twenty years.

Then you wrote: "Not sure where you have been either it has been suggested by a lot more than one person that maybe the coach isn't deciding who gets to start."

In response to that, I'm saying outright that taking various sides of an issue, as was done in this case, then declaring how "right" one has been is disingenuous at best.

To be clear certain posters have on many occasions posted declarations supporting the notion that Gruden stood up for Kirk, even going so far to write that both Gruden and Kirk are tied at the hip in their career paths. At the same time these same posters have declared that all decisions, come from Bruce by way of Dan. So which is it? He (Gruden) either stood up for Kirk and against Bruce/Dan or they dictated to him what would happen with regards to Kirk. You tell me!!

As issues come then go, these same posters want to accept acknowledgement for being "right" when in fact they hedged and supported what turned out to be the correct and incorrect position from the beginning. I hope that's a bit more clear.

 

[Sportster 72]

Sty I am not so into the who's right unless it is me being right.

My intent in what I said is a number of people have suggested that Gruden may not always be deciding who plays. Is that a fact? No way any of us know that or who decided to start Cousin's over Griffin etc.

So lets recap this season IMO:
Wanted Cousin's to stay, didn't expect it. I think they made the best decision possible by getting Smith. We will see how it works. If you want to know who I think Mr. Right was about the Cousin's scenario it was shark

I am sitting right on the middle of the fence for the rest of the moves. I think we let some good players go. We have picked up some guys that may be adequate replacements We will know in Dec. I am not completely down on BA but I think it wise to be wary. I like the Craven's move today.

As always I will hope for the best.