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So the draft being pushed back has created some very cyclical draft-centric board conversation these last couple weeks. I figured I'd try to toss out something to stir up some alternate chit-chat. Basically I assessed the less-than-established players on our team and highlighted some who have a shot at being a breakout player for us this year...



QB: Kellen Moore- I don't know... maybe if his arm strength keeps improving to the point of average. He was very accurate and had good timing in college. Brees is a timing and accuracy guy. He still needs a lot of work, though. I give him about a 15% on the "potential surprise player o-meter"


RB: Mikel Leshoure- New Orlean's Offense utalized a lot of different RBs in a lot of different ways. Having a big RB who has the benefit of staying fresh do to low total touches may be appealing to Lombardi. Having "personal issues" during the volintary shit this week doesn't help his case. I'll give him a 28% on the surprise-o-meter.

Theo Riddick- Not likely to do a ton behind Bell and Bush, but if Bush goes down Riddick can fill that same role in our offense in his stead. Not as much production as Bush, obviously, but still a ton more than otherwise expected. Totally injury-based, but I'll give him a 35% chance of being the surprise player.

Montell Owens- The hybrid RB/FB doesn't offer break-away speed, but actually looks pretty explosive through his initial burst. He actually averaged a full 5.0 yards per carry on 49 carries two years ago with Jacksonville when injuries forced him into action late in the season. He also had 8 grabs that year for 113 yards, so while he didn't get the opportunities often, he produced when his name was called. Also a core special-teamer. If Leshoure continues to shit the bed, Owens could wind up being our 4th RB. His compact 5'10" 230 lbs frame stacks up similarly to Leshoure's build. I guess I had a lot to say about him, but he's still only getting an 11% chance of being our surprise break-out player.


WR: Corey Fuller-I don't think he'll produce a ton this year, but he could well make the roster as the 5th or 6th WR in place of Kris Durham. Maybe a 25 catch, 325 yard season wouldn't be too outrageous to predict if he makes the roster? I don't know... I'll give him a 37% chance in the surprise-breakout-player-guy-o-meter-thing.

Kris Durham- Unlikely given his lack of finite body control and strong case of the dropsies. However, he's got elite size (tallest WR in the NFL last year) and good deep speed. If he can either A.) add 10-15 lbs and use his size to be a possession guy, or B.) Use his speed and lean body type to re-invent himself as a deep threat ala Robert Meachem and Devery Henderson. Neither scenario seems likely. I'll give him a 16% chance.

Jeremy Ross-I'm actaually pretty high on Ross' potential as a slot WR in our new offense. He went off in the Thanksgiving game against GB operating out of the slot. He showed he can work the middle on a nice TD grab in that game, and his long reverse play put Burleson's 20+ attempts at doing it that well to shame. His return skills should be enough to lock down a roster spot, but I think he's got a good chance to surprise some people on offense. His RB frame (6'0" 215 lbs.) and open field running skills don't rule out occasional backfield useage, so he's a guy who can wear a lot of hats. I'm giving him a 45% chance of being the super secret surprise player who's already on our roster.

Pat Edwards-I know, we've all been down this road before... But Edwards does have some talent, and was easily the fastest guy on the team last year, for what that's worth. He'll get another look in camp, but ultimately his track record is going to end up sinking him. 9% chance of being that guy for us.


TE: Joe Fauria- 4EA has a great shot to have a break-out year in this offense. Not a threat to break away in the open field, but huge catch radius, huge ups, and giant hands makes him wicked difficult to cover within 20 yards of the line of scrimmage. Red zone nightmare for opposing defenses, as we've already found out with him... 84% chance of being our breakout player this year.

Dorin Dickerson- Kind of a hybrid TE/FB/H-Back/WR type with off-the-charts measurables at the combine. Lacks a defined role in the NFL and has bounced around, but I do remember watching him running wide open a few times for us last year. I also remember him dropping a wide open 10 yard pass with 30 yards of open field ahead of him. Let's go with an even 15% chance.


OL: Rodney Austin-The old coaching staff seemed pretty high on this kid's potential. The O-line coach is still the same. He's got some upside, but I don't see him overtaking established vet Rob Sims, or the instant sensation Larry Warford. Suprise-o-meter odds: 15%.

LaAdrian Waddle-He got off to a promising start last year, and if he can build off that he can be a dominant RT with his frame and length. Great chance, imo, to have a break-out season. 75% break out odds.


DL: Devin Taylor-Another rookie forced into action due to injury who outperformed expectations. Used his length well to control his blocker, and has the speed to turn the corner. Realistically could deliver a double-digit sack season playing on a D-line with Suh, Fairley, and Ansah commanding so much attention. 68% chance.

Jason Jones- I don't see him putting up big numbers at DE, but if he gets some looks at DT he can be pretty disruptive. Could get some looks from all over the D-line in our new defense. Overall a useful, but limited, rotational veteran, imo. 30% break out chance.


LB: Tahir Whitehead-Here's where I'm likely to encounter some koolaid and cornbread commentary. I think Whithead is going to be our breakout surprise player. Now, I don't think he's going to have a Pro Bowl year, or light the world on fire or anything, but I think he'll seize that rush linebacker hybrid spot the coaches are talking about. He was a 3-4 OLB, more or less, at Temple, and we tried converting him to a 4-3 OLB. It didn't much work, We saw flashes and displays of great athleticism in the preseason, but he was clearly a man out of position. Now, our coaches want a "flamethrower" rush OLB. That's basically Whitehead. Maybe we still draft a better option, but I see Whitehead being in the mix and eventually turning into a player for us. 90% chance break out player (way out on a limb here, I know).

Brandon Hepburn- Probably not much going on here, but he's got very good size/ speed combo for the position. Might make the roster as the back-up MLB, but he's no lock. 4% chance.

Travis Lewis- Don't see it with this guy. Lit the world on fire in his first two years at Oklahoma, has been all downhill since. Imo, doesn't make the team this year. 2% chance of being that guy.


CB: Darius Slay- Slay has a pretty good shot, to be honest. He's got all the tools and showed flashes last year. He'll be given every chance to step up and claim a starting spot for a long time. 70% break-out chance.

Bill Bentley- It's year three, time to put up or shut up. All the right traits to be a very good slot man for us, as long as he can stay healthy. 53% chance.

Jonte Green- Another of my favorites to surprise people. Green has looked like a capable player every time injuries have thrust him into the game. With a clean slate and fair shot, Green just might challenge for meaningful playing time this year. 65% break-out odds.

Chris Greenwood- Here's a guy who should merit some conversation on this thread. All the tools, and finally flashed some real, on-field, potential last season. If he picks up where he left off he might be on the fast-track to staring with the new staff. Not there yet, but he could see a lot more playing time this year in efforts to speed his development. 73%.


Safety: Isa Abdul-Quddus- Some potential, has filled in as a spot-starter for New Orleans. Key special teamer. Probably not a break out guy though, imo. 7% surprise sleeper chance.





That's about all I got. Feel free to add any I forgot. I know for a fact that some of you guys don't like certain dudes on this list. And maybe some of you like some of these guys more than most... so let's get some chat going to fill the two weeks till the draft!
 
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76.3% of all Statistics are made up right there on the spot.
 

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So are you saying 23.7% of the time they are made up at a different spot?
 

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Off the spot.
 

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There was a time when 31.3% of all dogs were named spot.
 

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I know I joked initially but this was an enjoyable/interesting read.

My favorite guy on this list is Slay. I'm looking forward to seeing his growth with a season under his belt followed by a full camp. You had him pegged @ 70%. I put that number somewhere into the mid to high eighties. I'm actually excited to see his impact moving forward.

I'd say that of the people that view this thread, 63% of the people will respond.
 

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Kellen goes bye bye. I see them either taking a QB mid to late or UDFA and PS the guy. Sad to say but safety Orlovsky is better prepared than Kellen as backup.

Montell Owens is gone. He will be odd man out unless injuries occur.

Bentley, Green and Greenwood one will be gone if not two. I do feel they get a early CB in draft

Pat Edwards has to make the team or he is gone. No PS for him. Durham can take his drop talents elsewhere.

Mike Williams healthy and being able to block can replace Dickerson. Addition of Jed Collins means no need for hybrid TE/HB in my mind. Contracts are pennies apart so no money move there.

I do feel Slay will shine this year. He will be a solid #2 for years to come. IMO never be a #1

My 2 biggest guys I am excited to watch is Waddle and Taylor. Waddle looked impressive, like to see more of a audition from him before I say he was a gem. Taylor showed glimpes of his potential late. Same as Waddle, need to see more. He may only become the solid #3 and rotational guy.
 

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Kellen goes bye bye. I see them either taking a QB mid to late or UDFA and PS the guy. Sad to say but safety Orlovsky is better prepared than Kellen as backup.

Montell Owens is gone. He will be odd man out unless injuries occur.

Bentley, Green and Greenwood one will be gone if not two. I do feel they get a early CB in draft

Pat Edwards has to make the team or he is gone. No PS for him. Durham can take his drop talents elsewhere.

Mike Williams healthy and being able to block can replace Dickerson. Addition of Jed Collins means no need for hybrid TE/HB in my mind. Contracts are pennies apart so no money move there.

I do feel Slay will shine this year. He will be a solid #2 for years to come. IMO never be a #1

My 2 biggest guys I am excited to watch is Waddle and Taylor. Waddle looked impressive, like to see more of a audition from him before I say he was a gem. Taylor showed glimpes of his potential late. Same as Waddle, need to see more. He may only become the solid #3 and rotational guy.

Agree with pretty much everything Gandy said. I'm interested to see what Taylor can do in year 2. His numbers actually when down each year at South Carolina, which is bizarre for a college player, especially one with his measurables. On a DL with Suh, Fairley and Ansah -- he should have plenty of space to improve on his rookie year, if he gets the starting nod.

Waddle played pretty good at RT, so I'm looking forward to seeing if he progresses and how the new coaching staff feels about his role going forward. It is possible with so many question marks on what happens in the top 10 -- that there is a small chance the Lions may end up with one of the top 3 OL, and Waddle could be without a job, but it'd still give the Lions a solid backup in case of injury if that is the case.

Cornerback -- I'm excited to see Slay's progress. He seems like a guy with high character and willingness to put in the work to get better. He has one of the NFL greats helping him in the offseason and a year under his belt should only help him in preparation for year 2. I think he ends up the best CB on team this year.

I'm not too optimistic when it comes Bentley, Green and Greenwood. If Detroit spends a high pick on a CB -- Bentley may be the only one who sees the field if someone gets injured. I see these guys being more depth at the position than solutions at the position.

Tahir Whitehead -- I like the optimism you have on him, but personally, I think he will have the same role he has had on the Lions to this point. A quality special teams player -- I'm guessing that is why the team has said one of their big needs is to find a pass rushing OLB. You never know though -- maybe the new coaching staff see something the old staff does not in Whitehead.

With the WRs on the roster -- I'm thinking the new staff and front office aren't expecting to see a breakout year from any of them. Many were forced into roles on the offense last year when injuries depleted the position and we didn't get see many flashes of potential. Jeremy Ross is probably the one who could get some catches in the offense if they don't find a 3rd WR high in the draft. I think they will continue to use Ross on special teams though and keep their high priced players out of harms way returning kicks (Golden Tate and if they trade up for Watkins).
 

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Tahir Whitehead -- I like the optimism you have on him, but personally, I think he will have the same role he has had on the Lions to this point. A quality special teams player -- I'm guessing that is why the team has said one of their big needs is to find a pass rushing OLB. You never know though -- maybe the new coaching staff see something the old staff does not in Whitehead.

The biggest consideration for me on this particular player is that the old coaching staff had no use for a pass-rushing OLB because they very rarely blitzed. The new coaching staff is specifically looking for a pass-rushing OLB. I still don't think he's going to go off for a huge season, but I do think he'll get meaningful snaps this year on defense- something he hasn't even sniffed through his first two seasons...
 

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Even though I did not trust the old staff. WHitehead not taking playing time away from Palmer scares me with him. Feel they will still draft a second or third round guy to come in and compete. I know they stated wanting to blitz more, the back seven needs some upgrades IMO for that to happen and be effective. The fact the Lions are coming into the draft with Houston or Mathis as #1 CB is fucking nerve racking. One guy on AARP and the other with a clean slate and opinions of bouncing back...

I can see Dix being drafted and playing 3 safety look and blitzing him. Without the presence of a OLB with coverage skills aside from Levy, just means they are predictable again. I actaully don't remember last time Lions could blitz any of the back 7 knowing the field was covered?? ANy help or insight on that question.
 

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Ross should remain the return guy. I like him there. I feel he can contribute from the slot or the Linehan reverses... Really only see his skillset being a 5th WR. Him being on the field with CJ and Tate IMO means the Lions really fucked up in this years draft.
 

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I figure with a new coaching staff, there will be two or three players that Schwartz didn't use, that will fill valuable roles on the team. Who they are, or what their roles will be is anybody's guess.

Most players improve most from their 1st to their 2nd year. With this in mind, Slay, Ansah, and Taylor should all show significant improvement. If that happens, this defense could be scary, especially considering that Fairley's lazy ass has been forced into a contract year.

I thought the defense played very well last year. It seems every time it looked as if the Lions were in a position to take control of the game, the offense would turn the ball over inside our 20. And it also seemed that more often than not, the defense would turn it into a field goal. And I don't think the Lions defense will be as predictable this year.

I would be more concerned with the offense, but with the departure of Linehan...well...you'd have to know my feelings of Linehan to understand my optimism for the offense.
 
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I'm not sure if Fauria will be as big of a RedZone factor again, or a breakout player. But I think he's a valuable part of the team. Probably the best hands, but not sure there's much room between where he is and his ceiling. Slay is a guy we NEED to breakout. And talent wise he's in the best position to IMO.
 

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I'm bullish on Devin Taylor. With his speed and freakish length, it could be like we have 'The Mad Stork' playing DE.
 

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I'm bullish on Devin Taylor. With his speed and freakish length, it could be like we have 'The Mad Stork' playing DE.

:agree:

add a Lester Hayes and Jack Tatum to our back 4 and we'd be set. :nod:
 

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The biggest consideration for me on this particular player is that the old coaching staff had no use for a pass-rushing OLB because they very rarely blitzed. The new coaching staff is specifically looking for a pass-rushing OLB. I still don't think he's going to go off for a huge season, but I do think he'll get meaningful snaps this year on defense- something he hasn't even sniffed through his first two seasons...

I have to apologize to Gandy -- because once again, I am going to have to agree with exactly what he said in response to this. I know having me agree with someone on this board isn't a good thing.:laugh3:

Even though I did not trust the old staff. WHitehead not taking playing time away from Palmer scares me with him. Feel they will still draft a second or third round guy to come in and compete.
:agree:

I know they stated wanting to blitz more, the back seven needs some upgrades IMO for that to happen and be effective. The fact the Lions are coming into the draft with Houston or Mathis as #1 CB is fucking nerve racking. One guy on AARP and the other with a clean slate and opinions of bouncing back...

:agree::10:

Ross should remain the return guy. I like him there. I feel he can contribute from the slot or the Linehan reverses... Really only see his skillset being a 5th WR. Him being on the field with CJ and Tate IMO means the Lions really fucked up in this years draft.
:10::agree::yahoo:
 

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I actaully don't remember last time Lions could blitz any of the back 7 knowing the field was covered?? ANy help or insight on that question.

Unfortunately -- I think the best overall group defensively was 2011. They had a top 10 passing defense, even with all the injuries they dealt with, until Detroit single handedly made Matt Flynn a very rich man. Flynn's 480 yards passing and 6 tds catapulted the Lions passing defense from top 10ish to 23rd overall.

The reason I think this group was the best overall defensively -- they were very active in forcing turnovers -- had 21 interceptions, recovered 13 fumbles and had 44 sacks.
 

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It is okay Trustme. I agree with you at times, I just don't state it...

I don't blame you one bit. You are a glutton for punishment if you agree with me on these boards.:laugh3:
 
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