Breaking Down the Cavs' Firesale Trade Options

[HurricaneDij39]

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Cleveland GM Koby Altman is said to be willing to take on long-term salary back in a trade, so let's take a look at what's on tap and have a little fun in doing so:

Kevin Love, PF - Contract too large, and runs through 2023. Expects to be here for the long haul and not much flexibility here. Next...

George Hill, G - Yearly salary too large, and last I heard his option for 2019-20 is partially guaranteed. Best off simply letting his deal expire and accepting the salary relief.

Rodney Hood, G/F - The polar opposite of Hill, though with the same implications. His yearly salary is too small to bring back significant value. Sure, go ahead and get your second round pick for him. But is there any point to it given that your current roster lacks scoring options?

J.R. Smith, SG - Not only does he hold zero trade value, he is also awful as a basketball player. J.R. is said to not be willing to accept a buyout with the Cavs, in order to protect his so-called legacy with the team. It's more likely than not that Cleveland is stuck with his dead-weight contract and roster spot through the rest of the season.

Tristan Thompson-Kardashian, C - Now we're talking - This guy is averaging a double-double on the young season, and which playoff-bubble team needs a rebounding presence the way fish need water? Charlotte, that's who. So, let's make a scenario...

Charlotte gets: Thompson-Kardashian, J.R. Smith

Cavs get: Cody Zeller, Bismack Biyombo, a lottery-protected first-round draft pick, and a 2021 second-round pick (via Brooklyn)

The deal makes perfect sense for both sides, for Cleveland acquires a pair of big men that will help upgrade their worst-ranked defense in the NBA. Given the uncertainty of Kemba Walker's impending free agency, we'll make the first rounder in this deal top-20 protected for this year and lottery-protected for following one, otherwise it will become a second round pick after that. The second rounder being sent in this deal was originally acquired by Charlotte last summer in the Dwight Howard trade. And yes, J.R. Smith is being thrown in here to make the numbers work. Charlotte could elect to buy him out upon completion given that he's, you know, crappy at basketball.

Jordan Clarkson, SG - Could still put up points at a high rate, and has that Laker smell to him, so he has name-value for a potential trade. A good candidate to be moved for a second consecutive trade deadline. There is one east contender that could very much use perimeter scoring help: The Detroit Pistons. Clarkson is very one-dimensional, but he's just the type of one-dimensional player Detroit needs. Plus, he has had success against Philadelphia this season, a potential Pistons' playoff opponent:

Detroit gets: Clarkson, Channing Fyre

Cavs get: Jon Leuer, Langston Galloway, and a lottery protected first-round pick

Given that the Pistons had already given up a first rounder for Blake Griffin, the pick being sent here will be lottery-protected for 2019 and 2020, otherwise no protection for 2021. Leuer missed almost all of last season due to injury, and has not been able to impress the new coaching staff in Detroit. He would be a possible buyout candidate for the Cavs, and Galloway is being thrown in this deal for good measure.

All in all, a smart move by young GM Altman to be willing to take on salary in effort for more draft pick compensation, and Clarkson and Thompson-Kardashian could bring back some decent value.


Breaking Down the Cavs' Firesale Trade Options

 

[WiggyRuss]

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Cleveland GM Koby Altman is said to be willing to take on long-term salary back in a trade, so let's take a look at what's on tap and have a little fun in doing so:

Kevin Love, PF - Contract too large, and runs through 2023. Expects to be here for the long haul and not much flexibility here. Next...

George Hill, G - Yearly salary too large, and last I heard his option for 2019-20 is partially guaranteed. Best off simply letting his deal expire and accepting the salary relief.

Rodney Hood, G/F - The polar opposite of Hill, though with the same implications. His yearly salary is too small to bring back significant value. Sure, go ahead and get your second round pick for him. But is there any point to it given that your current roster lacks scoring options?

J.R. Smith, SG - Not only does he hold zero trade value, he is also awful as a basketball player. J.R. is said to not be willing to accept a buyout with the Cavs, in order to protect his so-called legacy with the team. It's more likely than not that Cleveland is stuck with his dead-weight contract and roster spot through the rest of the season.

Tristan Thompson-Kardashian, C - Now we're talking - This guy is averaging a double-double on the young season, and which playoff-bubble team needs a rebounding presence the way fish need water? Charlotte, that's who. So, let's make a scenario...

Charlotte gets: Thompson-Kardashian, J.R. Smith

Cavs get: Cody Zeller, Bismack Biyombo, a lottery-protected first-round draft pick, and a 2021 second-round pick (via Brooklyn)

The deal makes perfect sense for both sides, for Cleveland acquires a pair of big men that will help upgrade their worst-ranked defense in the NBA. Given the uncertainty of Kemba Walker's impending free agency, we'll make the first rounder in this deal top-20 protected for this year and lottery-protected for following one, otherwise it will become a second round pick after that. The second rounder being sent in this deal was originally acquired by Charlotte last summer in the Dwight Howard trade. And yes, J.R. Smith is being thrown in here to make the numbers work. Charlotte could elect to buy him out upon completion given that he's, you know, crappy at basketball.

Jordan Clarkson, SG - Could still put up points at a high rate, and has that Laker smell to him, so he has name-value for a potential trade. A good candidate to be moved for a second consecutive trade deadline. There is one east contender that could very much use perimeter scoring help: The Detroit Pistons. Clarkson is very one-dimensional, but he's just the type of one-dimensional player Detroit needs. Plus, he has had success against Philadelphia this season, a potential Pistons' playoff opponent:

Detroit gets: Clarkson, Channing Fyre

Cavs get: Jon Leuer, Langston Galloway, and a lottery protected first-round pick

Given that the Pistons had already given up a first rounder for Blake Griffin, the pick being sent here will be lottery-protected for 2019 and 2020, otherwise no protection for 2021. Leuer missed almost all of last season due to injury, and has not been able to impress the new coaching staff in Detroit. He would be a possible buyout candidate for the Cavs, and Galloway is being thrown in this deal for good measure.

All in all, a smart move by young GM Altman to be willing to take on salary in effort for more draft pick compensation, and Clarkson and Thompson-Kardashian could bring back some decent value.


Breaking Down the Cavs' Firesale Trade Options

hey bud....hate to say it but this is not a good post.

For example- Thompson is only 27, averagining 12 and 12, has playoff experience, is incredibly durable and JR Smith is garbage- but JR has more trade value all because of contract structure.

 

[WiggyRuss]

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Cleveland GM Koby Altman is said to be willing to take on long-term salary back in a trade, so let's take a look at what's on tap and have a little fun in doing so:

Kevin Love, PF - Contract too large, and runs through 2023. Expects to be here for the long haul and not much flexibility here. Next...

George Hill, G - Yearly salary too large, and last I heard his option for 2019-20 is partially guaranteed. Best off simply letting his deal expire and accepting the salary relief.

Rodney Hood, G/F - The polar opposite of Hill, though with the same implications. His yearly salary is too small to bring back significant value. Sure, go ahead and get your second round pick for him. But is there any point to it given that your current roster lacks scoring options?

J.R. Smith, SG - Not only does he hold zero trade value, he is also awful as a basketball player. J.R. is said to not be willing to accept a buyout with the Cavs, in order to protect his so-called legacy with the team. It's more likely than not that Cleveland is stuck with his dead-weight contract and roster spot through the rest of the season.

Tristan Thompson-Kardashian, C - Now we're talking - This guy is averaging a double-double on the young season, and which playoff-bubble team needs a rebounding presence the way fish need water? Charlotte, that's who. So, let's make a scenario...

Charlotte gets: Thompson-Kardashian, J.R. Smith

Cavs get: Cody Zeller, Bismack Biyombo, a lottery-protected first-round draft pick, and a 2021 second-round pick (via Brooklyn)

The deal makes perfect sense for both sides, for Cleveland acquires a pair of big men that will help upgrade their worst-ranked defense in the NBA. Given the uncertainty of Kemba Walker's impending free agency, we'll make the first rounder in this deal top-20 protected for this year and lottery-protected for following one, otherwise it will become a second round pick after that. The second rounder being sent in this deal was originally acquired by Charlotte last summer in the Dwight Howard trade. And yes, J.R. Smith is being thrown in here to make the numbers work. Charlotte could elect to buy him out upon completion given that he's, you know, crappy at basketball.

Jordan Clarkson, SG - Could still put up points at a high rate, and has that Laker smell to him, so he has name-value for a potential trade. A good candidate to be moved for a second consecutive trade deadline. There is one east contender that could very much use perimeter scoring help: The Detroit Pistons. Clarkson is very one-dimensional, but he's just the type of one-dimensional player Detroit needs. Plus, he has had success against Philadelphia this season, a potential Pistons' playoff opponent:

Detroit gets: Clarkson, Channing Fyre

Cavs get: Jon Leuer, Langston Galloway, and a lottery protected first-round pick

Given that the Pistons had already given up a first rounder for Blake Griffin, the pick being sent here will be lottery-protected for 2019 and 2020, otherwise no protection for 2021. Leuer missed almost all of last season due to injury, and has not been able to impress the new coaching staff in Detroit. He would be a possible buyout candidate for the Cavs, and Galloway is being thrown in this deal for good measure.

All in all, a smart move by young GM Altman to be willing to take on salary in effort for more draft pick compensation, and Clarkson and Thompson-Kardashian could bring back some decent value.


Breaking Down the Cavs' Firesale Trade Options

just to go over it...

Kevin Love- Jason Lloyd and Brian Windhorst agree that if the Cavs wanted to trade Love they could have a deal done in 15 minutes. I think they wait till the offseason. Teams have dreams of elite free agents right now. A lot of teams will come up empty handed- when they do they will look to the trade market. Love's contract extension actually decreases from year to year.

JR Smith- has a unique contract grandfathered into the old CBA. Next year only 3M is guaranteed on his contract but for trading purposes all 15M count--- this is no longer allowed per the new CBA as you can only trade guaranteed amounts- its why he has not been released.

Greg Hill- the same as JR Smith, except even better- only 1M out of 20M is guaranteed next year. Plus he might actually be able to help a team- as an expiring contract that could help a team he could bring something back- esp. if the Cavs take back bad money on a long term deal.

Alec Burks- 11M dollar expiring contract and could help a team off the bench.

Jordan Clarskon- has played really well but owed 13M next year- any team with free agent dreams will be wary about taking that guaranteed money.

TT- has played great- durable, playoff experience, raises his game in the playoffs, has shown some solid leadership, after an injury plagued year and headline plagued year last year he is back to his old self- rebounding like a mad man. Still- he is owed 18M next year and i doubt any team that wants to enter the free agent market will want to trade for him unless they are giving back bad money that is more expensive/longer than his contract. I think the Cavs should keep him unless someone gives them a deal that they cant refuse.

Rodney Hood- 3.5M expiring contract- could be a nice piece for a team to come off the bench- is cheap and expiring- could net an asset. Especially if combined with say JR or Hill and they take back bad money.

 

[shopson67]

That JR Smith unique value doesn't come into play until next season, and they are currently trying to move him this year.

 

[WiggyRuss]

That JR Smith unique value doesn't come into play until next season, and they are currently trying to move him this year.

kind of but not really.

At some point in the offseason they will either have to cut him or it becomes guaranteed and loses its value. It will be at the height of its value near the trade deadlien or early in the offseason.

 

[CitySushi]

Think all of these deals could be better value.

The only guys the OP didn't mention getting traded is likely the biggest asset they have in the trade market. If the goal is to take on salary to get picks, Hill is the ideal candidate for that.

Hill for Allen Crabbe, 2020 and 2022 first round picks would work. No way Brooklyn is giving up their 2019 pick, which would be understandable. But Brooklyn would max out its entire cap space to go after free agents, while retaining their 2019 pick, Levert and Jarrett Allen.

 

[shopson67]

kind of but not really.

At some point in the offseason they will either have to cut him or it becomes guaranteed and loses its value. It will be at the height of its value near the trade deadlien or early in the offseason.

How does next season's salary help with trade value? Trade dollars have to match THIS season, not next. So, that whole grandfathered bit really doesn't mean much other than a partial guarantee next season.

 

[shopson67]

Think all of these deals could be better value.

The only guys the OP didn't mention getting traded is likely the biggest asset they have in the trade market. If the goal is to take on salary to get picks, Hill is the ideal candidate for that.

Hill for Allen Crabbe, 2020 and 2022 first round picks would work. No way Brooklyn is giving up their 2019 pick, which would be understandable. But Brooklyn would max out its entire cap space to go after free agents, while retaining their 2019 pick, Levert and Jarrett Allen.

I think they would be smarter to spend some free agent money this summer, then let Crabbe's contract expire before the following summer, allowing them to dip into that crop as well (and retain their picks). They have $65M in cap space to work with next summer already.

 

[WiggyRuss]

How does next season's salary help with trade value? Trade dollars have to match THIS season, not next. So, that whole grandfathered bit really doesn't mean much other than a partial guarantee next season.

once the offseason starts up until it has to be guaranteed---- and another team can of course use it if they trade for it earlier.

 

[CitySushi]

I think they would be smarter to spend some free agent money this summer, then let Crabbe's contract expire before the following summer, allowing them to dip into that crop as well (and retain their picks). They have $65M in cap space to work with next summer already.

It makes it increasingly harder to sell a potential free agent a situation where you say to them "trust us, we'll get someone else next year too." IMO. If I'm KD and their sell to me is "we can sign you to a max, but we're not going to do anything else for the rest of the year just hold cap over to next year and then we'll try to see who we can get" that doesn't sound so appealing. You're basically giving a year away because you know you won't really be in a position to contend until the following year.

Players want to see immediate results, especially the way the Brooklyn situation is looking.

 

[shopson67]

once the offseason starts up until it has to be guaranteed---- and another team can of course use it if they trade for it earlier.

Sure, but my point is next year's salary doesn't bring back anything extra to the Cavs; the salaries that have to match are this season's.

 

[shopson67]

It makes it increasingly harder to sell a potential free agent a situation where you say to them "trust us, we'll get someone else next year too." IMO. If I'm KD and their sell to me is "we can sign you to a max, but we're not going to do anything else for the rest of the year just hold cap over to next year and then we'll try to see who we can get" that doesn't sound so appealing. You're basically giving a year away because you know you won't really be in a position to contend until the following year.

Players want to see immediate results, especially the way the Brooklyn situation is looking.

Who do you think would go to Brooklyn to entice KD to go as well? That's a huge leap of faith to jump from the Warriors to the Nets. I don't think Brooklyn can get top shelf FAs without building a better base first than just Levert and Allen. The Nets are actually winning some games as currently constituted; they would be picking 6th today. Who would even be the #6 pick?

 

[flyerhawk]

The problem with the Nets is that they have to be pretty confident that they could sign two max contract guys if they are going to give up assets to dump Crabbe. Otherwise they are better off just keeping Crabbe.

 

[DJ]

Knew Wiggy would be here defending his guys....

 

[DJ]

just to go over it...

Kevin Love- Jason Lloyd and Brian Windhorst agree that if the Cavs wanted to trade Love they could have a deal done in 15 minutes. I think they wait till the offseason. Teams have dreams of elite free agents right now. A lot of teams will come up empty handed- when they do they will look to the trade market. Love's contract extension actually decreases from year to year.

JR Smith- has a unique contract grandfathered into the old CBA. Next year only 3M is guaranteed on his contract but for trading purposes all 15M count--- this is no longer allowed per the new CBA as you can only trade guaranteed amounts- its why he has not been released.

Greg Hill- the same as JR Smith, except even better- only 1M out of 20M is guaranteed next year. Plus he might actually be able to help a team- as an expiring contract that could help a team he could bring something back- esp. if the Cavs take back bad money on a long term deal.

Alec Burks- 11M dollar expiring contract and could help a team off the bench.

Jordan Clarskon- has played really well but owed 13M next year- any team with free agent dreams will be wary about taking that guaranteed money.

TT- has played great- durable, playoff experience, raises his game in the playoffs, has shown some solid leadership, after an injury plagued year and headline plagued year last year he is back to his old self- rebounding like a mad man. Still- he is owed 18M next year and i doubt any team that wants to enter the free agent market will want to trade for him unless they are giving back bad money that is more expensive/longer than his contract. I think the Cavs should keep him unless someone gives them a deal that they cant refuse.

Rodney Hood- 3.5M expiring contract- could be a nice piece for a team to come off the bench- is cheap and expiring- could net an asset. Especially if combined with say JR or Hill and they take back bad money.

Who is Greg Hill? You meant George Hill?

LMAO. 2 very different names.

Oh, and it's Jordan Clarkson

#Dyslexiclivesmatterbro

 

[lebron23james]

We are on a 1 game win streak and about to beat the champs we aren't trading anyone, ROFL @ the OP

 

[Battlelyon]

We will rally around Delly and play good basketball, back to the Finals for the Cavaliers!

 

[True Lakers Fan]

We are on a 1 game win streak and about to beat the champs we aren't trading anyone, ROFL @ the OP

I don't care if the Cavaliers do or don't trade any one - either way they are screwed for a long time

 

[Shanemansj13]

We will rally around Delly and play good basketball, back to the Finals for the Cavaliers!

Big 3 team trade. Got Delly, Henson (who never got too many minutes in MIL but when he did he can be pretty good, also a lot of length) then 2021 1st and 2nd. Bucks get a veteran in George Hill, helps them quite a bit

 

[lebron23james]

I don't care if the Cavaliers do or don't trade any one - either way they are screwed for a long time

I would slap you across the face if you were in front of me right now