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Beating the shift

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  1. mr.hockey4242

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    I have a friend who used to work at baseball info solutions.

    He said that the success against the shift via bunt is like 2/3.

    So basically you have an ops over 1.200 by bunting
     
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    this
     
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    Exactly and they all use the stupid excuse of “you need 2 more singles to score” and bs like that.

    As if getting 1 guy on doesn’t start rallies forcing pitchers to go to the stretch, defenses to play more straight up, hits and runs etc..

    I guess that’s why Seager has a .290 OBP
     
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    No one should take advice on hitting from Kyle Seager.
     
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    Even Ted Williams did this in the '46 World Series.
    Of course, his elbow was still messed up from being hit by some dopey Senator pitcher named Mickey Haefner during a meaningless exhibition game the Bosox played while waiting for an NL playoff between the Dodgers and Cardinals to finish up...if he had been 100% physically, I'm sure Ted would have tried to slam every pitch into the teeth of the shift while calling the Cards all syphilitic c-suckers and possibly even flinging his bats at them.

    Ted wrote that he didn't really break the shift until 1957, when he tried a heavier bat and suddenly was hitting to all fields. Teams finally abandoned their shifts around the middle of that season and he switched back to his old bat and pulling the ball a lot.
    That was the year that Ted hit .388 as a less than mobile old guy...
     
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    Freddie Freeman does just fine against the shift.

    And I LOL when they shift on Markakis.
     
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    I couldn't believe that when I saw it. I guess walks are bad too then?
     
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    He was a good hitter until the last 1.5 seasons.
     
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    He’s a head case. Too inconsistent even though his numbers usually end up average. He is a slightly below average 3rd baseman at the plate and slightly above average in the field. Even in the field he will make some serious boneheaded plays.
     
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    Yup walks are horrible. No one wants to just get on first base to start a free rally. No one!!

    Also, these bozos don’t realize that the way some of these guys are shifted. Just hitting a 5 hopper against the shift is a free double.

    Twins literally had 4 outfielders. The 3B above second base. The SS and 2B in shallow RF and then a 1Bman at 1st for Duda.

    If that clown hits even the pussiest of grounders near 3rd. His slow ass gets a double.
     
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    Seems a pretty decent strategy.

     
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    Saw Carpenter and Seager both do it in that vid

    But yeah, just a bad idea. Lmao
     
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    Blah blah blah. They can’t beat the shift because players are selfish, have big egos, and think home runs=bigger contracts
     
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    From 2013-16, he batted .268/.340/.457 (123 wRC+, 8th among 3B over that span). The league average over that span for 3rd basemen ranged from 97-106 wRC+. Every one of those years his wRC+ was well above the league average for 3rd basemen. Even last year his wRC+ was slightly above the league average at 3rd.

    A bit disappointing how much he's fallen off at the plate from 2016, but he's still a solid player. He seems like a good defensive 3rd baseman and UZR supports that over the last 1.5 seasons.