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But thinking they are both overrated just doesn't make sense.

As I've always said...there's hate and then there's pure blind hate. Dorian is so deep into pure blind hate that he's threatening to move past it and create a whole new category.
 

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I think we need to have a Hall of Lame here on the NBA forums. What's crazy to me is that Hurricane and Wiggy wouldn't even be first ballot members. We got too many quality candidates for that. They might have to get in via veteran committee.
 

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The Warriors look as good as ever. They are on pace to win 65 games, and have been missing their co-best player for a while now. They lead the league in point differential, and are still heavy favorites to win another title.

Just for fun, see if you can give us one thing, one bit of evidence the Ws are any less than last year's team. You won't because you can't.

As far as LeBron, every NBA champion had at least 2 HOFers on it, except Olajuwon's Rockets (one reason he's a top ten player) and of course the 2004 Pistons who may have had zero.

You are like the 3rd worst basketball poster here. Jeebus step up your game.


Clearly you didn't see the Warriors the last two seasons if you think they look as good as ever. No they don't. In fact, they can't even stop from turning the ball over. Dominating today's game isn't a huge accomplishment, since there are so many LOUSY teams in the NBA that shouldn't even be in the NBA and they suck every single year. And the West sucks if you compare it to the 2000s. The East is as pathetic as ever of course (as it is every year).

And the teams that were very good aren't around anymore. Cavs aren't as good, Spurs aren't as good as they used to be,

Some teams the Warriors would lose to in a best of 7

Just to name a few..

2001/2002 Lakers
Late 80s Pistons
86 Celtics
93 Suns
All the showtime Laker Teams
All the Bulls Dynasty Teams (All 6)
Spurs a few years ago that beat the Heat, Spurs 2005, Spurs 2007.
Maybe the 97/98 Jazz as well
96 Sonics
2006 Heat
98 Pacers
96 Magic.
Lebron/Wade Heat teams.


I haven't even scratched the 70s teams yet.
 
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Clearly you didn't see the Warriors the last two seasons if you think they look as good as ever. No they don't. In fact, they can't even stop from turning the ball over. Dominating today's game isn't a huge accomplishment, since there are so many LOUSY teams in the NBA that shouldn't even be in the NBA and they suck every single year. And the West sucks if you compare it to the 2000s. The East is as pathetic as ever of course (as it is every year).

And the teams that were very good aren't around anymore. Cavs aren't as good, Spurs aren't as good as they used to be,

Some teams the Warriors would lose to in a best of 7

Just to name a few..

2001/2002 Lakers
Late 80s Pistons
86 Celtics
93 Suns
All the showtime Laker Teams
All the Bulls Dynasty Teams (All 6)
Spurs a few years ago that beat the Heat, Spurs 2005, Spurs 2007.
Maybe the 97/98 Jazz as well
96 Sonics
2006 Heat
98 Pacers
96 Magic.
Lebron/Wade Heat teams.


I haven't even scratched the 70s teams yet.

98 PACERS THO. Shout out to Rik Smits and Travis Best.
 

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Shout out to the 93 Suns too. Would definitely beat the Warriors.

Top 4 Scorers for them were:

Charles Barkley 25.6 PPG
Thunder Dan Majerle 16.9 PPG
Kevin Johson 16.1 PPG

And can't forget about the legendary Richard Dumas at 15.8 PPG

No way Warriors beating those legends.
 

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Shout out to the 93 Suns too. Would definitely beat the Warriors.

Top 4 Scorers for them were:

Charles Barkley 25.6 PPG
Thunder Dan Majerle 16.9 PPG
Kevin Johson 16.1 PPG

And can't forget about the legendary Richard Dumas at 15.8 PPG

No way Warriors beating those legends.


They're better than team the Warriors are playing in the current NBA no doubt about that
 

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But the most egregious team on here is the 96 Magic.

C'mon bro. The Warriors would simply do a hack-a-Nick Anderson and win by 50 every game.
 

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But the most egregious team on here is the 96 Magic.

C'mon bro. The Warriors would simply do a hack-a-Nick Anderson and win by 50 every game.


Do you know what a 24 year old Shaq would do to that team inside?? Penny was awesome too
 

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Do you know what a 24 year old Shaq would do to that team inside?? Penny was awesome too

Shaq is the most overrated big man in NBA history. He would have to go against the three headed monster of Zaza Pachulia, Javale McGee and Jordan Bell. He'd be lucky to get 10 points a game against them because he'd be huffing wind having to chase those superstars all over the court.

And Penny was like a poor mans Shaun Livingston. Nice try, but Warriors smash them by 60 a game.
 

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Shaq is the most overrated big man in NBA history. He would have to go against the three headed monster of Zaza Pachulia, Javale McGee and Jordan Bell. He'd be lucky to get 10 points a game against them because he'd be huffing wind having to chase those superstars all over the court.

And Penny was like a poor mans Shaun Livingston. Nice try, but Warriors smash them by 60 a game.


Penny-Livingston?? Come on dude? Shaq the most overrated big man ever? he's the most DOMINANT, physical big man ever. Bar none
 

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Penny-Livingston?? Come on dude? Shaq the most overrated big man ever? he's the most DOMINANT, physical big man ever. Bar none

Child please. Penny had no jump shot, where as Livingston is money from the mid range and post. Turn-around jumpers on him ALL DAY.

The most dominant big man of all time was and always will be Manute Bol. You tell me the last time a 7'7" center his 6 3's in a game or average 5 blocks in a season. He revolutionized the position to what it is today.

Shaq was a glorified Tyson Chandler, only fatter.
 

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Shaq is the most overrated big man in NBA history. He would have to go against the three headed monster of Zaza Pachulia, Javale McGee and Jordan Bell. He'd be lucky to get 10 points a game against them because he'd be huffing wind having to chase those superstars all over the court.

And Penny was like a poor mans Shaun Livingston. Nice try, but Warriors smash them by 60 a game.

LOL.

He has no clue you are imitating him. Hilarious.
 

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The '93 Suns took took 2 games from the Bulls. I doubt the Warriors manage more than 1 game. Shaq FEASTS on the Warriors all day all night. They don't have a defensive presence or Rebounder like Rodman inside Not even close to one. Shaq average 40-45 nightly against that soft ass Warriors team
 

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Clearly you didn't see the Warriors the last two seasons if you think they look as good as ever. No they don't. In fact, they can't even stop from turning the ball over. Dominating today's game isn't a huge accomplishment, since there are so many LOUSY teams in the NBA that shouldn't even be in the NBA and they suck every single year. And the West sucks if you compare it to the 2000s. The East is as pathetic as ever of course (as it is every year).

And the teams that were very good aren't around anymore. Cavs aren't as good, Spurs aren't as good as they used to be,

Some teams the Warriors would lose to in a best of 7

Just to name a few..

2001/2002 Lakers
Late 80s Pistons
86 Celtics
93 Suns
All the showtime Laker Teams
All the Bulls Dynasty Teams (All 6)
Spurs a few years ago that beat the Heat, Spurs 2005, Spurs 2007.
Maybe the 97/98 Jazz as well
96 Sonics
2006 Heat
98 Pacers
96 Magic.
Lebron/Wade Heat teams.


I haven't even scratched the 70s teams yet.

So, you are defining them by their performance in November? Awesome.

By that logic, last year's team wasn't nearly as good as the 2016 version. Yet, anyone with 2 eyes could tell they were leaps and bounds better with KD.

This year, they have more quality depth than they did last with the emergence of Bell and additions of Casspi and Young. They have dealt with injuries and complacency, yet are still far and away the best team.

As for your claims RE Cleveland and San antoinio?

Cleveland is every bit as good as they were last year and IT hasn't even played a game yet. SA is comfortably in 3rd place in the West and their best player and MVP candidate has been back for like a week.

There is literally not 1 true statement in your post above.
 

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The '93 Suns took took 2 games from the Bulls. I doubt the Warriors manage more than 1 game. Shaq FEASTS on the Warriors all day all night. They don't have a defensive presence or Rebounder like Rodman inside Not even close to one. Shaq average 40-45 nightly against that soft ass Warriors team

First of all I already conceeded Richard Dumas would absolutely be the matchup problem for the Warriors. He would light KD's ass up.

Second, the Magic would have zero chance to take a game against the Warriors. Warriors sweep them in 4. Shaq has never faced a three headed monster defensively like Pachulia, McGee and Bell all in one series. Pachulia pisses him off and gets in his head. McGee blocks his shots by leaping out of the building. And Bell dunks all over him time and time again, demoralizing his spirit. He'd be lucky to average 10 points a game.

And don't even get me started on Penny.
 

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The '93 Suns took took 2 games from the Bulls. I doubt the Warriors manage more than 1 game. Shaq FEASTS on the Warriors all day all night. They don't have a defensive presence or Rebounder like Rodman inside Not even close to one. Shaq average 40-45 nightly against that soft ass Warriors team

The Warriors would curb stomp the '93 Bulls. That was the Horace Grant/ BJ Armstrong version. No Rodman, no Kukoc, no Harper. They were nowhere close to as good as the '96 version, which is really the only Bulls year that should be discussed because they were head and shoulders above the rest. 91-93 weren't as good and age slowly started to set in in '97. They were still great teams, but not all time great teams.
 

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So, you are defining them by their performance in November? Awesome.

By that logic, last year's team wasn't nearly as good as the 2016 version. Yet, anyone with 2 eyes could tell they were leaps and bounds better with KD.

This year, they have more quality depth than they did last with the emergence of Bell and additions of Casspi and Young. They have dealt with injuries and complacency, yet are still far and away the best team.

As for your claims RE Cleveland and San antoinio?

Cleveland is every bit as good as they were last year and IT hasn't even played a game yet. SA is comfortably in 3rd place in the West and their best player and MVP candidate has been back for like a week.

There is literally not 1 true statement in your post above.


Last year's team was focused to win the championship (Though they may still have lost to the Spurs with Leonard and Parker. . This years team is a lazy ass team who can't take of the ball with mental lapses. Cavs every bit as good as last year? With that defense or lack thereof? They couldn't defend their way out of a paper bag. Last years Cavs team smokes this Cavs team every day and twice on Sunday. Isiah doesn't play a lick of D either so he isn't going to be some saving grace for them in that regard.
 

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The '93 Suns took took 2 games from the Bulls. I doubt the Warriors manage more than 1 game. Shaq FEASTS on the Warriors all day all night. They don't have a defensive presence or Rebounder like Rodman inside Not even close to one. Shaq average 40-45 nightly against that soft ass Warriors team

LOL.

Draymond Green is DPOY, KD is second in the league in blocks and the Warriors lead the league in blocks.

Clearly no defensive presence in the paint.
 
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