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losing Fanene and Rucker with the additions or Still, Thompson, Harvey and Anderson?
 

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Fanene and Rucker is a better combo than Harvey and Anderson.

I liked the fact that we picked Still and Thompson in the draft..... I'm generally in favor of building up the lines and this was a refreshing change from our past. Whether they can consistently produce as rookies remains to be seen.
 

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Fanene and Rucker is a better combo than Harvey and Anderson.

I liked the fact that we picked Still and Thompson in the draft..... I'm generally in favor of building up the lines and this was a refreshing change from our past. Whether they can consistently produce as rookies remains to be seen.

I don't even expect Harvey to make the team. I just think we are better off now than if we had paid Fanene and Ruckers their contracts they got from the Browns and Patriots, and not drafted Still and Thompson as both fell to us with higher grades.
 

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Fenene got about what he is worth on the market.

Rucker got seriously over-paid.
 

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Still and Thompson will make us quickly forget about Fanene and Rucker
 

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For this coming season, the rookies won't provide more production than Fanene/Rucker would have. For the future, they have a very good chance, but only time will tell.
 

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For this coming season, the rookies won't provide more production than Fanene/Rucker would have. For the future, they have a very good chance, but only time will tell.

Couldn't agree more..... While I was happy about our draft, history suggests that few of our picks after the 2nd round will turn into productive NFL starters. It's unclear to me why people expect so much out of our rookies.
 

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Couldn't agree more..... While I was happy about our draft, history suggests that few of our picks after the 2nd round will turn into productive NFL starters. It's unclear to me why people expect so much out of our rookies.

They're retarded is the only explanation. I don't know who the fuck these people think they're rooting for. We're the Bengals. We fucking suck.
 

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They're retarded is the only explanation. I don't know who the fuck these people think they're rooting for. We're the Bengals. We fucking suck.

Trying to pull a Joey Votto rant on the Bengals now?
 

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We shouldn't expect different results under the same regime. If you do you're nuts.

Bengals fans have been pissing into the same wind for 22 years now. The only things they have gotten are stinky and wet.......
 

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Things have changed. Slowly. Very slowly. At least the Bengals have been to the playoffs recently, and won 2 division titles under Lewis since 2005. The last few drafts have been amazing with regards to talent level. This past draft is still out, but value to draft they had another amazing draft.

For once in a long, long time (probably since 2005, and not since the late 80's since before that) if you went around the NFL, teams would tell you that the Bengals are setting themsleves up with the kind of talent to be a serious contender for a long time.

Now....will they do it? Who knows? Marvin has to prove that his in-game coaching isn't going to drag this team down. But with Zimmer running the defense, and Gruden on the offense...you at least have to feel good in the direction this team is going with the talent they've drafted over the past 2-3 years.

We'll see how they do with expectations raised. Something this team has not delt well with in the past under Marvin Lewis.
 

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We still smack Bmore on Mondaynight to start the season...We come home to hold TRich to under 100 yards rushing....2-0 to start the season...You heard it here 1st
 

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Things have changed. Slowly. Very slowly. At least the Bengals have been to the playoffs recently, and won 2 division titles under Lewis since 2005. The last few drafts have been amazing with regards to talent level. This past draft is still out, but value to draft they had another amazing draft.

For once in a long, long time (probably since 2005, and not since the late 80's since before that) if you went around the NFL, teams would tell you that the Bengals are setting themsleves up with the kind of talent to be a serious contender for a long time.

Now....will they do it? Who knows? Marvin has to prove that his in-game coaching isn't going to drag this team down. But with Zimmer running the defense, and Gruden on the offense...you at least have to feel good in the direction this team is going with the talent they've drafted over the past 2-3 years.

We'll see how they do with expectations raised. Something this team has not delt well with in the past under Marvin Lewis.

I don't know..... I think we get a little too much credit for our drafts. We have one above average contributor left from 2007 - Leon Hall - And he is dealing with an achilles issue. We have two below average contributors from 2008 - Collins and Sims - Good depth players but not a lot of production. 2009 gave us a tackle that could be very good if he keeps the weight down and focuses (Smith), but he's also a FA after this season, and I wouldn't be surprised to see us drop the ball on him and him have his better days somewhere else. We also netted a terrible MLB that year and a pretty good D-end.

We get a lot of credit for the last 2 drafts because we picked 4 pro-bowlers -- Can't argue with that sort of production. I guess I'm just left to wonder whether probability finally was favorable to us, or if we really have made changes in our approach to the draft.
 

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I don't know..... I think we get a little too much credit for our drafts. We have one above average contributor left from 2007 - Leon Hall - And he is dealing with an achilles issue. We have two below average contributors from 2008 - Collins and Sims - Good depth players but not a lot of production. 2009 gave us a tackle that could be very good if he keeps the weight down and focuses (Smith), but he's also a FA after this season, and I wouldn't be surprised to see us drop the ball on him and him have his better days somewhere else. We also netted a terrible MLB that year and a pretty good D-end.

We get a lot of credit for the last 2 drafts because we picked 4 pro-bowlers -- Can't argue with that sort of production. I guess I'm just left to wonder whether probability finally was favorable to us, or if we really have made changes in our approach to the draft.

Luck always factors into the equation when talking about the draft. You just never know when injury is going to derail a career.

Also, I focused on the 2010-current drafts, as I said the past 2-3 years. You're talking Gresham, Atkins from a couple of years ago, then Dalton and Green last year. This year they got incredible value and immediate impact starters in Zeitler and potentially Sanu, with great value picks in the 2nd round with the DT and later on with the TE and other WR they picked up.

To me, the draft is less about what happens after, and more about using the information you have at hand to make the best pick, which is something the Bengals have done (luckily or by design) the past 3 years or so.

Again, a lot is still left to be seen. Expectations are going to be big this year. Something this team has historically not done well with under Lewis.

I'm optimistic, but cautiously. Afterall, these are the Bengals.
 
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