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Another thing that has changed with the new aprons: less player empowerment

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Players don't have the same control over where they end up anymore. From Zach Harper at The Athletic:

Gone are the days of player empowerment
When LeBron James held a television special with ESPN in 2010 to announce he was taking his talents to South Beach, a good portion of the NBA-watching collective seemed to be very angry.

I will always vividly remember that night: I was working for ESPN, running a chat on the website. It was called Daily Dime Live, and we were essentially live-watching “The Decision” together.

The buildup was obviously massive, but I’ll never forget the surge of people who joined the chat after LeBron publicly chose Miami. At one point, there were over 300,000 people in the chat, which is an unreal number of users to have in one spot. The software could barely hold it together. But what I saw was a lot of vitriol.

A year later, the NBA was in a lockout, which is usually what happens when there’s a major labor-dynamic shift amid the negotiation of a new collective bargaining agreement.

For the next 13 years, NBA players were incredibly empowered to steer their own ship. Athletes from other sports marveled at how much power NBA players held over their own careers while also making more guaranteed money than most.

There are seemingly countless examples of players from 2010 to 2023 finding their way to wherever they wanted, whilst also getting that big-time pay. Carmelo Anthony found his way to New York in a trade. Kevin Durant has taken his talents to multiple teams via free agency. Jimmy Butler ended up on the Heat when the team had no cap space and not much to deal for him. Anthony Davis managed to get traded to the Lakers when he wanted to.

Fast forward to this current CBA with the second apron acting as an unofficial hard cap, and while players are still getting paid (they’re entitled to half of the Basketball Related Income, per the CBA), we’re seeing less and less control over where they end up.

Jaylen Brown was not looking to be moved from the Boston Celtics at all. Damian Lillard never wanted to get traded to the Milwaukee Bucks. Anthony Davis never tried to get himself moved to the Washington Wizards. LaMelo Ball had no control over being moved to the Minnesota Timberwolves, nor did he ever truly request out of Charlotte (especially not after things were turned around midseason).

Even with Giannis Antetokounmpo making it to Miami, player empowerment doesn’t feel like a thing anymore. The players union is lamenting the deal it took with the owners. There is a mutual opt-out date in October 2028, and from there, things could get pretty gnarly. Owners love the way the current CBA is working. We know because Adam Silver has stated as much.

The owners will want to grab even more power in the next CBA negotiations. We know that because that’s how ownership and management works. While player empowerment was being celebrated by so many parts of the sports world, the owners were patiently chipping away at the hold star players had over the NBA. Eventually, they seemed to cut down on the majority of leverage players had in choosing where they’ll be.


In today’s NBA, it’s about finding a spot that will give you that next contract extension (Butler with the Warriors, KD with the Rockets and maybe Kawhi Leonard with Toronto). And you don’t fully get to figure out if that’s where you want to be next. You still get your money if you’re a star, but you’re trying to be happy with the destination, rather than pick the perfect setup.

I don’t know if the players union can ever find that power again. It’ll be up to the agents to help figure out how to exploit the next system for their clients. That’s usually the case anyway. But for now, players are at the mercy of a lot of these teams. That’s probably fine, as long as they’re getting paid.
 

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Looking at the title only, I would say that aprons make a man look less manly and therefore less empowered, though I understand that women find that a man who can cook sexy. Just with regular clothes, not some apron.
 

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>Another thing that has changed with the new aprons: less player empowerment

Good. F*** player empowerment. All it does is result in a worse product for the fans. You get players switching teams every year and players sitting out of games just for the hell of it and it makes fans not even want to spend money. And let's not get started on how wonderful it's been for college sports as we now see how selfish will players and agents get when there are no rules to hold them back.

I've had enough empowerment ruining the sports I like, thank you.
 

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Didn't LeBron just choose to go to a talent laden team?
Yeah for the vet minimum, that's the point. Only way to get a superteam now is get guys to accept that.
 

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Yeah for the vet minimum, that's the point. Only way to get a superteam now is get guys to accept that.

Or get lucky enough to grow one, but that is short lived too.
 

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>Another thing that has changed with the new aprons: less player empowerment

Good. F*** player empowerment. All it does is result in a worse product for the fans. You get players switching teams every year and players sitting out of games just for the hell of it and it makes fans not even want to spend money. And let's not get started on how wonderful it's been for college sports as we now see how selfish will players and agents get when there are no rules to hold them back.

I've had enough empowerment ruining the sports I like, thank you.

Players aren’t the ones choosing to sit out man. Teams choose to rest their players.
 

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Yeah for the vet minimum, that's the point. Only way to get a superteam now is get guys to accept that.
They make more average salary than nfl players. Both leagues pay 50% of the revenue to the players.
Lebron can STFU as far as I'm concerned. Yes **** Lebron that crying ass flopper.
 

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They make more average salary than nfl players. Both leagues pay 50% of the revenue to the players.
Lebron can STFU as far as I'm concerned. Yes **** Lebron that crying ass flopper.

Gee, ya think maybe it's because NBA seasons are longer and they only have to pay approx 15 players while the NFL is paying 53? There are also more coaches for an NFL team than an NBA team too. MLB players make more average salary than NFL players too.

How come you don't cry about baseball players?
 

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Gee, ya think maybe it's because NBA seasons are longer and they only have to pay approx 15 players while the NFL is paying 53? There are also more coaches for an NFL team than an NBA team too. MLB players make more average salary than NFL players too.

How come you don't cry about baseball players?
Yes more games, mainly because with the physicality of NFL it would be impossible to play that many games.

Point is both leagues give the same percent of revenue to thier players.

And keep in mind while the NFL plays lesd games thier attendance per game is over 2/3 larger.

As for MLB they have no cap, so it's not realivent
 

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We could bring the NHL into the discussion.

Oh wait, they too pay 50 of League revenue to the players.

Fact is LeBron is and has always been a crying ass b!tch
 

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Yes more games, mainly because with the physicality of NFL it would be impossible to play that many games.

Point is both leagues give the same percent of revenue to thier players.

And keep in mind while the NFL plays lesd games thier attendance per game is over 2/3 larger.

As for MLB they have no cap, so it's not realivent

And? It doesn't matter why the NFL has fewer games...it only matters that they do.

Keep in mind, that when one sport is paying a roster of 53 players (plus the "taxi squad") plus more coaches and trainers, etc. and the other is paying a roster of 15 players with fewer coaches and trainers, the players on the smaller roster are going to be paid more. And that's not even including the cost of equipment, uniforms, etc. which is also significantly higher for NFL teams.

MLB not having a cap, has nothing to do with it, because even if they had a cap, those players would make more than NFL players for the same reason NBA players do.

So, maybe blame math instead of Lebron or any other NBA players.

Also, the NFL has arguably the weakest players union of all of the major sports...that also has nothing to do with Lebron or any other NBA player.
 

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We could bring the NHL into the discussion.

Oh wait, they too pay 50 of League revenue to the players.

Fact is LeBron is and has always been a crying ass b!tch
What’s your excuse?
 

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And? It doesn't matter why the NFL has fewer games...it only matters that they do.

Keep in mind, that when one sport is paying a roster of 53 players (plus the "taxi squad") plus more coaches and trainers, etc. and the other is paying a roster of 15 players with fewer coaches and trainers, the players on the smaller roster are going to be paid more. And that's not even including the cost of equipment, uniforms, etc. which is also significantly higher for NFL teams.

MLB not having a cap, has nothing to do with it, because even if they had a cap, those players would make more than NFL players for the same reason NBA players do.

So, maybe blame math instead of Lebron or any other NBA players.

Also, the NFL has arguably the weakest players union of all of the major sports...that also has nothing to do with Lebron or any other NBA player.
I think you're missing the point completely.

Point is the NFL, NBA, and NHL all pay it's players 50% of it's revenue.

Who plays more games is meaningless.
 

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I think you're missing the point completely.

Point is the NFL, NBA, and NHL all pay it's players 50% of it's revenue.

Who plays more games is meaningless.
So what?
 
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