2019 Rookie draft

[SmokingMonkey]

He’s kinda a plodder

The same was said about Gordon and Bell coming out of college, not that he's at that level, but those were the exact same scouting notes

 

[SteelersPride]

The same was said about Gordon and Bell coming out of college, not that he's at that level, but those were the exact same scouting notes

Very true. Not that some
Plodders aren’t very good and effective like change anderson , am I right @TREFF

 

[SteelersPride]

Obviously meant cj anderson damn spellcheck

 

[TREFF]

Very true. Not that some
Plodders aren’t very good and effective like change anderson , am I right @TREFF

Ha.
I feel slightly misunderstood on my feelings about CJ. No I don't like him, no I don't really want him on any of my teams, regardless of where he's playing. No I don't think he's all that great, however...
He is "good enough" at most RB related requirements to be productive. I wouldn't even go so far as to call h a plodder, he's better than that. And I've said that numerous times. But that's all he is, all he ever will be..adequate. He's not great at anything at all. Which means at any given moment, he's utterly replaceable.
So while yes, I don't care for him, I do respect that he is a decent RB, just not one I want to rely on, because at any given point, a Ronnie Hillman can send him to the bench. Unlike Alf, who hasn't deserved an NFL roster spot for years

 

[SteelersPride]

Ha.
I feel slightly misunderstood on my feelings about CJ. No I don't like him, no I don't really want him on any of my teams, regardless of where he's playing. No I don't think he's all that great, however...
He is "good enough" at most RB related requirements to be productive. I wouldn't even go so far as to call h a plodder, he's better than that. And I've said that numerous times. But that's all he is, all he ever will be..adequate. He's not great at anything at all. Which means at any given moment, he's utterly replaceable.
So while yes, I don't care for him, I do respect that he is a decent RB, just not one I want to rely on, because at any given point, a Ronnie Hillman can send him to the bench. Unlike Alf, who hasn't deserved an NFL roster spot for years

I think he’s wYyyyy better than Ronnie but it’s just like to mess with u on him bc I hve an odd obsession with him, and u don’t like him much

 

[TREFF]

I think he’s wYyyyy better than Ronnie but it’s just like to mess with u on him bc I hve an odd obsession with him, and u don’t like him much

Overall, yes he is, no doubts, cuz Ronnie was really only good at one thing, running really fast in a mostly straight line, but he was great at it, not just good, and becuase he was great at something, it led to him getting opportunities over CJ, eventually even replacing him for a bit. And that's the exact reason why I don't like CJ, cuz he can, and has, lost his job to overall inferior backs, cuz sometimes just being adequate all around just isnt good enough for a teams needs.

 

[SmokingMonkey]

anyone watch any Big 10 ball?
haven't looked into Miles Sanders yet, but obviously playing behind Barkley prob spared him some wear and tear earlier in his collegiate career.

 

[SteelersPride]

anyone watch any Big 10 ball?
haven't looked into Miles Sanders yet, but obviously playing behind Barkley prob spared him some wear and tear earlier in his collegiate career.

He went to high school around here. Highly recruited.

Not a special back by nfl standards imho

 

[TREFF]

Murray says he's fully and firmly committed to football.

Well I'm fully and firmly in the "believe it when I see it" camp

 

[SteelersPride]

Murray says he's fully and firmly committed to football.

Well I'm fully and firmly in the "believe it when I see it" camp

Lol this is a topic I’m not touching

 

[TREFF]

Lol this is a topic I’m not touching

Ha, well it can be discussed without referring to anything being a fallback, plan B, or any other phrasing inferring an equal thought process. There are obvious differences, pros and cons, that can be rationally talked about without inferring that it doesn't make much difference, you can just pick the other back up.

 

[SteelersPride]

Ha, well it can be discussed without referring to anything being a fallback, plan B, or any other phrasing inferring an equal thought process. There are obvious differences, pros and cons, that can be rationally talked about without inferring that it doesn't make much difference, you can just pick the other back up.

If you take offense to my toe I apologize.

Nfl qbs are seen as stars

He will no doubt be able to be a starter quicker in the nfl.

He is already in the limelight for football, he can ride the wave.

His path to starting and being a bigger name is entirely more Clear in the nfl.

Not due to ease but due to structure

 

[TREFF]

If you take offense to my toe I apologize.

Nfl qbs are seen as stars

He will no doubt be able to be a starter quicker in the nfl.

He is already in the limelight for football, he can ride the wave.

His path to starting and being a bigger name is entirely more Clear in the nfl.

Not due to ease but due to structure

Nothing offensive there at all, all true and valid points.

And I simply counter with-
Longer career
Fully guaranteed contracts
A significantly stronger players union
No real salary cap
32 starting jobs in the NFL vs 90 plus DH's (and that's only if he can't play anything but OF), so if there is a stumble, more chances at another shot as opposed to just being labeled a bust after a season or two.


Like I said, plenty of very real differences, pros and cons on both.

 

[SteelersPride]

Nothing offensive there at all, all true and valid points.

And I simply counter with-
Longer career
Fully guaranteed contracts
A significantly stronger players union
No real salary cap
32 starting jobs in the NFL vs 90 plus DH's (and that's only if he can't play anything but OF), so if there is a stumble, more chances at another shot as opposed to just being labeled a bust after a season or two.


Like I said, plenty of very real differences, pros and cons on both.

Oh I agree. I just think the path is more clear this way. It’s a decision he has to make
Of which sport he wants to play, and feels he can succeed in

 

[TREFF]

If you take offense to my toe I apologize.

Nfl qbs are seen as stars

He will no doubt be able to be a starter quicker in the nfl.

He is already in the limelight for football, he can ride the wave.

His path to starting and being a bigger name is entirely more Clear in the nfl.

Not due to ease but due to structure

And you must have a pretty gnarly toe for someone to take offense about it

 

[tlance]

Nothing offensive there at all, all true and valid points.

And I simply counter with-
Longer career
Fully guaranteed contracts
A significantly stronger players union
No real salary cap
32 starting jobs in the NFL vs 90 plus DH's (and that's only if he can't play anything but OF), so if there is a stumble, more chances at another shot as opposed to just being labeled a bust after a season or two.


Like I said, plenty of very real differences, pros and cons on both.

All true.

But:

15 Million guaranteed over 3 years

Vs 5 million guaranteed over 4-5

And, his passion is clearly football. He would not played at Oklahoma last year if it were the other way around.

Lastly, his odds of becoming a star might be better in baseball, but so too are his odds of completely striking out and failing to make more than his minimum rookie salary.

 

[SmokingMonkey]

TRIVIA TIME:
saw an interesting stat regarding Kyler Murray

only 3 QBs under 6'1" since 1980 have both won 50+ regular season games and 5+ playoff games

of course, Brees and Wilson, but can you name the 3rd?

Spoiler: ANSWER

Mark Brunell

 

[TREFF]

TRIVIA TIME:
saw an interesting stat regarding Kyler Murray

only 3 QBs under 6'1" since 1980 have both won 50+ regular season games and 5+ playoff games

of course, Brees and Wilson, but can you name the 3rd?

Spoiler: ANSWER

Mark Brunell

Flutie?

Edit..damnit

 

[obxyankeefan]

TRIVIA TIME:
saw an interesting stat regarding Kyler Murray

only 3 QBs under 6'1" since 1980 have both won 50+ regular season games and 5+ playoff games

of course, Brees and Wilson, but can you name the 3rd?

Spoiler: ANSWER

Mark Brunell

The GOAT for Jacksonville. Backup to Favre. Won some games in Washington

 

[SteelersPride]

Had to