Series Thread: 2) Boston Celtics vs 7) Brooklyn Nets

[The Q]

It's going to be no play no pay.

Good luck with that.

Especially when teams are intentionally sitting guys

 

[thunderc]

Which will…ban players from Having mental health issues?

It’s not for me to decide, but you can bet it will keep a pos from from making fun of those with real issues. You can take this to the bank.

 

[Manster7588]

Good luck with that.

Especially when teams are intentionally sitting guys

Intentionally sitting and not playable sre two separate things.


If a player can't play because he doesn't feel right, could be without pay soon

 

[tlance]

Intentionally sitting and not playable sre two separate things.


If a player can't play because he doesn't feel right, could be without pay soon

They may try to bring back some type of amnesty clause.

But not paying injured players simply isn’t going to happen.

 

[Mecca]

Tell me exactly what that rule is


Go ahead

We don't know yet.

It's just something the talking heads are discussing to curtail the load management, trade holdout nonsense.

Apparently, the Owners are going to try to negotiate it into the next CBA.

 

[Mecca]

They may try to bring back some type of amnesty clause.

But not paying injured players simply isn’t going to happen.

I don't believe they will target legitimate injuries.

I think it's more about the guys who won't play if they aren't 100% and the ones that holdout for a trade.

 

[tlance]

I don't believe they will target legitimate injuries.

I think it's more about the guys who won't play if they aren't 100% and the ones that holdout for a trade.

That is an issue, but I doubt the player’s association will let that go.

 

[thunderc]

I don't believe they will target legitimate injuries.

I think it's more about the guys who won't play if they aren't 100% and the ones that holdout for a trade.

Things have been going the players way for a long, long time. It took a real idiot to screw that up.

 

[Manster7588]

They may try to bring back some type of amnesty clause.

But not paying injured players simply isn’t going to happen.

Injured players will almost certainly be paid, especially if that injury occurred during any team activity.

But cases like Simmons will likely be addressed.

I believe there’s already injury clauses in most contracts that say if your injured in high risk events you are in a contract violation. They may just reword the CBA saying if you can't play for any non NBA issue the team doesn’t have to pay.

 

[Mecca]

So, let me get this straight…

Because he isn’t just walking away from a $30 million paycheck that is your proof?

Cmon man.

You are looking at this from the perspective of someone who believes he has the type of debilitating mental health issues that would preclude him from participating.

We are looking at it as him being a bitch, holding out for a trade, refusing to play. But, expecting the 76ers to honor a contract that he himself decided to ignore.

It's pretty easy to see where the disconnect comes from.

 

[Mecca]

Good luck with that.

Especially when teams are intentionally sitting guys

Now.....this is a sticking point.

Owners can't have it both ways.

 

[Mecca]

That is an issue, but I doubt the player’s association will let that go.

Agree.

 

[tlance]

You are looking at this from the perspective of someone who believes he has the type of debilitating mental health issues that would preclude him from participating.

We are looking at it as him being a bitch, holding out for a trade, refusing to play. But, expecting the 76ers to honor a contract that he himself decided to ignore.

It's pretty easy to see where the disconnect comes from.

He probably has issues. I would bet on that as this point.

How debilitating are they?

I don’t know. Nobody really does aside from Simmons and those closest to him.

But he certainly looked “debilitated” last time we saw him play.

And the naysayers continue to ignore that fact.

 

[thunderc]

You are looking at this from the perspective of someone who believes he has the type of debilitating mental health issues that would preclude him from participating.

We are looking at it as him being a bitch, holding out for a trade, refusing to play. But, expecting the 76ers to honor a contract that he himself decided to ignore.

It's pretty easy to see where the disconnect comes from.

I just don’t think in the world we live in now days that the sixers would act the way they did if they didn’t have some pretty serious proof of what the guy was doing. Then, as I have said many times, we have the fact that no one is siding with this guy. That simply does not happen with the current state of things in the nba. If he had a real problem someone would be on his side. Not really mentioned is the fact that this is a HUGE bkack eye for Klutch Sports, no way around it.

 

[The Q]

Injured players will almost certainly be paid, especially if that injury occurred during any team activity.

But cases like Simmons will likely be addressed.

I believe there’s already injury clauses in most contracts that say if your injured in high risk events you are in a contract violation. They may just reword the CBA saying if you can't play for any non NBA issue the team doesn’t have to pay.

Mental health issues are protected in the current cba

So, this would still happen under whatever rule you wanna make

 

[The Q]

I just don’t think in the world we live in now days that the sixers would act the way they did if they didn’t have some pretty serious proof of what the guy was doing. Then, as I have said many times, we have the fact that no one is siding with this guy. That simply does not happen with the current state of things in the nba. If he had a real problem someone would be on his side. Not really mentioned is the fact that this is a HUGE bkack eye for Klutch Sports, no way around it.

Or, no one wants to weigh in on someone’s mental health

For the sixers to win they have to prove he’s faking it

 

[thunderc]

Or, no one wants to weigh in on someone’s mental health

For the sixers to win they have to prove he’s faking it

Come on, he has been getting lit up like no one in the league has in a long time. No way one player doesn’t speak up on his behalf if there was anything to it. It’s sad honestly.

 

[The Q]

Now.....this is a sticking point.

Owners can't have it both ways.

You also already have mental health in the cba

Which is what Simmons is alleging now

So what rule are they Changing? If Simmons is faking he’s already not gonna get paid in this version of the cba

 

[tlance]

Come on, he has been getting lit up like no one in the league has in a long time. No way one player doesn’t speak up on his behalf if there was anything to it. It’s sad honestly.

Everybody has that person at their workplace who nobody likes.

Ben Simmons is that guy.

Nobody sticking up for Simmons because nobody likes him. And they don’t know for sure.

 

[Mecca]

Mental health issues are protected in the current cba

So, this would still happen under whatever rule you wanna make

You are stuck on the mental health portion only.

Ben didn't just sit out because he was in crisis.

He demanded a trade 1 year into a max contract as well.

The 76ers offered him mental health services and repeatedly said they wanted him to come back.

He refused.

That's where Philly has him.

If it were simply about getting well, he didn't have to get traded to accomplish that.