How do we address QB from here on out?

richig07 · Jan 16, 2017

Beengay fudgepackers said:
No, actually next year is his second year.

And I'm basing it off of my complaints when the game was actually going on. Getting FGs early on when the score is still close because he decides to stop feeding Howard for some stupid reason. Giving a coach a pass for stupid decisions because of personnel is a terrible way to run a franchise.

Do you have any numbers that support this? Because I remember Howard being run and unsuccessfully so plenty of times down in the red zone. I also remember 8 of his rushing TD's, most of them coming in the red zone. Possibly even all of them, not sure.

Next year is his first real year. Quit looking for scape goats. I'm not going to excuse a coach for "poor personnel" that he went into the year with. However, when you play half of the season with your practice squad out there and three different QB's, one you didn't start the season with. It's not like you can really run the offense you planned on. It becomes very limited.

Finding a scape goat because it makes you sleep better at night, is a terrible way to run a franchise.

Beengay fudgepackers · Jan 16, 2017

richig07 said:
Do you have any numbers that support this? Because I remember Howard being run and unsuccessfully so plenty of times down in the red zone. I also remember 8 of his rushing TD's, most of them coming in the red zone. Possibly even all of them, not sure.

Next year is his first real year. Quit looking for scape goats. I'm not going to excuse a coach for "poor personnel" that he went into the year with. However, when you play half of the season with your practice squad out there and three different QB's, one you didn't start the season with. It's not like you can really run the offense you planned on. It becomes very limited.

Finding a scape goat because it makes you sleep better at night, is a terrible way to run a franchise.

OC failed the eye test for me. He was trash last year along with our second and third stringers. You can wait to come to your own conclusion, but it will be the same as mine is now. As for next year, it's do or die for everyone but maybe fangio. If we bring in a young QB to develop, a year of loggains before he gets fired is as good as a wasted year in my opinion.

richig07 · Jan 16, 2017

Beengay fudgepackers said:
OC failed the eye test for me. He was trash last year along with our second and third stringers. You can wait to come to your own conclusion, but it will be the same as mine is now. As for next year, it's do or die for everyone but maybe fangio. If we bring in a young QB to develop, a year of loggains before he gets fired is as good as a wasted year in my opinion.

OC failed the eye test for me.

1) Reeeealllllllllyyy now? Ya don't say? lol... We were 3-13 dude. Of course our coaching staff failed the eye test.

2) The eye test is very unreliable

3) As stated in #1... we were constantly losing and had one of the worst statistical offense in football. What a SHOCKER and a STUNNER that you weren't impressed by the OC during your "eye test".

4) I don't know what my opinion will be on Loggains in a year. I may very well come to that conclusion. However, that doesn't mean I am not right about last season being a wash. It was.

5) You get competent players on the field, and all of the sudden a lot of those "eye test" failing play calls begin to look pretty damn good. I cannot and will not judge an OC calling plays for crew of backups and free agents. Half of them that may never have a career outside of special teams in this league.

Beengay fudgepackers · Jan 16, 2017

richig07 said:
OC failed the eye test for me.

1) Reeeealllllllllyyy now? Ya don't say? lol... We were 3-13 dude. Of course our coaching staff failed the eye test.

2) The eye test is very unreliable

3) As stated in #1... we were constantly losing and had one of the worst statistical offense in football. What a SHOCKER and a STUNNER that you weren't impressed by the OC during your "eye test".

4) I don't know what my opinion will be on Loggains in a year. I may very well come to that conclusion. However, that doesn't mean I am not right about last season being a wash. It was.

5) You get competent players on the field, and all of the sudden a lot of those "eye test" failing play calls begin to look pretty damn good. I cannot and will not judge an OC calling plays for crew of backups and free agents. Half of them that may never have a career outside of special teams in this league.

Let me guess, you made excuses for Cutler too?

What I saw had nothing to do with personnel. His play calling was bogusly stupid from the getgo. You keep bringing up the scores, but loggains failed early on to help the score get out of hand. When something works early on, you stick with it. Loggains didn't, and it contributed to the score getting out of hand and forcing the ball out of Howard's hands.

beardown07 · Jan 16, 2017

There has to be some shit handed towards the OC. The Bears were 2nd in the NFL on yards per attempt on first down. Second only to Atlanta.

By all means, that SHOULD be a recipe for success. Granted, some of the lack of success following that on subsequent downs can be attributed to poor execution, sloppy play, i.e. penalties en sech, but some has to go to the OC as well.

So, in some statistical categories, there is evidence that we were better than we fared on Offense. Dominating on 1st down, is prolly the easiest way to be a successful offense. We did, and still managed to suck the rest the way.

anotheridiot · Jan 17, 2017

Beengay fudgepackers said:
Uhhhhh... I have seen enough to know his play calling sucks. Stop making excuses for him. A good OC doesn't take Howard out of the game on a drive in which he is gashing the opposing defenses. Loggains routinely did this. If he did decide to leave him in he stopped using him in the red zone opting to pass with Barkley instead. Maybe you aren't convinced, but I am damn sure the OC we have right now won't cut it. He won't be around long at all.

There were plenty of games they stopped running before there were two touchdown leads, where they basically turned the ball back over on punts and then the game got out of hand.

Beengay fudgepackers said:
Let me guess, you made excuses for Cutler too?

What I saw had nothing to do with personnel. His play calling was bogusly stupid from the getgo. You keep bringing up the scores, but loggains failed early on to help the score get out of hand. When something works early on, you stick with it. Loggains didn't, and it contributed to the score getting out of hand and forcing the ball out of Howard's hands.

Next we will hear that Loggains was not running "his" offense, he was running Gase's offense, so there will be more of the cries that it was not his fault.

As far as first down working, how many times was it Howard that got 7 or8 yards and then they try to get cute? The only intelligent play call I remember from last season was Barkleys first snap he threw a go route down the sideline. Teams were expecting him to hand off.

Then they will blame the defense for not being able to shut out the other teams, not blame the offense for three and outs.

Bottom line, if Fox or Pace felt any heat at all for their jobs, Loggains would have been the sacrificial coach being fired and nobody would be fighting for the great job he did. Shame on the organization for not turning up the heat.

richig07 · Jan 17, 2017

Beengay fudgepackers said:
Let me guess, you made excuses for Cutler too?

What I saw had nothing to do with personnel. His play calling was bogusly stupid from the getgo. You keep bringing up the scores, but loggains failed early on to help the score get out of hand. When something works early on, you stick with it. Loggains didn't, and it contributed to the score getting out of hand and forcing the ball out of Howard's hands.

I have not been a Cutler apologist for years.

My point is that we didn't have the personnel to help those scores from getting out of hand.

Bill fucking Walsh couldn't have found a way for this offense to be competent this past year. Therefore, how can I criticize any other OC for it? How can you?

Beengay fudgepackers · Jan 17, 2017

richig07 said:
I have not been a Cutler apologist for years.

My point is that we didn't have the personnel to help those scores from getting out of hand.

Bill fucking Walsh couldn't have found a way for this offense to be competent this past year. Therefore, how can I criticize any other OC for it? How can you?

When you make excuses for people, it usually means they suck at what they are excusing them for. It's something I learned long ago and has been reinforced a lot more times than it hasn't. Loggains let a lot of games get out of hand by not feeding the hot hand. By going away from what works. As bad as the team was, there was still things the offense did that worked. Loggains routinely went away from them early on in games before there was even a score. That's a trait of a terrible OC. It's something that Martz and Turner have in common with Loggains. The dice is fucking terrible. You can take my word for it (or rewatch the games and realize I'm right), or you can support letting him mentor a young QB for a year before getting fired and setting our offense back even further.

richig07 · Jan 17, 2017

Beengay fudgepackers said:
When you make excuses for people, it usually means they suck at what they are excusing them for. It's something I learned long ago and has been reinforced a lot more times than it hasn't. Loggains let a lot of games get out of hand by not feeding the hot hand. By going away from what works. As bad as the team was, there was still things the offense did that worked. Loggains routinely went away from them early on in games before there was even a score. That's a trait of a terrible OC. It's something that Martz and Turner have in common with Loggains. The dice is fucking terrible. You can take my word for it (or rewatch the games and realize I'm right), or you can support letting him mentor a young QB for a year before getting fired and setting our offense back even further.

How!? How? He also had multiple very good games in close games. When we led, and played competitive football games. He was at his best. I'm just stating the facts of this fucking season. You have no statistical basis for any of these statements, outside of; "we sucked". We pounded Howard plenty early. You can find the discrepancy in carries, early in games 1st half vs 2nd half. It's pretty overwhelming.

You're really scape goat hunting here man. I understand why you're doing it, but you're really off... I don't need to rewatch the games. I haven't missed a god damned play since Nam.

You're crediting what went wrong to our OC, because it's an easy scape goat. When, no matter who you blame... things were going to go wrong anyway. Since we fuckin blew personnel-wise. "You didn't run Howard on this play!"... or.... did we just make play calls that would have been execute with competent personnel, that wound up a train-wreck?

"Went away from what was working early on in games"... what a useless/blanket statement. So EASY to make these criticisms after the fact.

There's a middle ground between "making excuses for someone" and "condemning them under bull shit circumstances". It's not FAIR. It's simply not FAIR to say Loggains sucks after this past season. Let's take head coaches... how many coaches have we seen fail in poor circumstances, and when he finally gets a few good draft classes. He flourishes! What you're doing right now is SO unfair.

I am not saying Loggains is any good, but judging him off of last season, is utter bull shit and you should know better than that.

Beengay fudgepackers · Jan 17, 2017

richig07 said:
How!? How? He also had multiple very good games in close games. When we led, and played competitive football games. He was at his best. I'm just stating the facts of this fucking season. You have no statistical basis for any of these statements, outside of; "we sucked". We pounded Howard plenty early. You can find the discrepancy in carries, early in games 1st half vs 2nd half. It's pretty overwhelming.

You're really scape goat hunting here man. I understand why you're doing it, but you're really off... I don't need to rewatch the games. I haven't missed a god damned play since Nam.

You're crediting what went wrong to our OC, because it's an easy scape goat. When, no matter who you blame... things were going to go wrong anyway. Since we fuckin blew personnel-wise. "You didn't run Howard on this play!"... or.... did we just make play calls that would have been execute with competent personnel, that wound up a train-wreck?

"Went away from what was working early on in games"... what a useless/blanket statement. So EASY to make these criticisms after the fact.

There's a middle ground between "making excuses for someone" and "condemning them under bull shit circumstances". It's not FAIR. It's simply not FAIR to say Loggains sucks after this past season. Let's take head coaches... how many coaches have we seen fail in poor circumstances, and when he finally gets a few good draft classes. He flourishes! What you're doing right now is SO unfair.

I am not saying Loggains is any good, but judging him off of last season, is utter bull shit and you should know better than that.

There really aren't any stats to prove what either of us are saying. It's not fair, but it's the truth. Loggains is garbage. You can keep giving him chances, but I already see the writing on the wall. If I were pace, I'd have already had a long talk with fox about canning Loggains and bringing in a new offensive coaches. We will just have to wait and see if that's the right call. You can wait another year making excuses to find out I'm right though.

SJ76 · Jan 18, 2017

Be cool to see the Bears grab Jimmy G from New England. But Brady could retire after another ring.

BsGenius · Jan 23, 2017

SJ76 said:
Be cool to see the Bears grab Jimmy G from New England. But Brady could retire after another ring.

This will be the dumbest move ever.

Keep Cutler, if Trubisky is available and the top 2 DLmen aren't, then I don't mind taking a shot. Then you can trade/cut Cutler and focus on rebuilding with Trubisky for the next 3 years. But the better move again, is keeping Culter, draft good linemen and watch Cutler win.

But to give up your #3 to NE for Jimmy G is downright retarded.

If i was running the Bears we would be winning every year.

SJ76 · Jan 24, 2017

BsGenius said:
This will be the dumbest move ever.

Keep Cutler, if Trubisky is available and the top 2 DLmen aren't, then I don't mind taking a shot. Then you can trade/cut Cutler and focus on rebuilding with Trubisky for the next 3 years. But the better move again, is keeping Culter, draft good linemen and watch Cutler win.

But to give up your #3 to NE for Jimmy G is downright retarded.

If i was running the Bears we would be winning every year.

Trubisky at #3 is retarded. He's good but getting too much hype. No one said to grab Jimmy G for your #3 pick either. Jimmy was a 2nd round pick a few years ago.

SJ76 · Jan 24, 2017

at the Genius.

Yes go with Trubisky over Deshaun Watson who put up 9 total TDs and 800+ yards passing with 1 INT in 2 Natty games versus the most NFL ready defense in college football.

effing genius you are. I guess you aren't familiar with the hype that the media has been giving these QBs for years now. Last year was a perfect example. Goff and Wentz come from weak conferences, didn't do anything special and somehow get all the attention, while Dak quietly goes about his business as a DT in the SEC west not making mistakes and doing his job (4th round pick).

@BsGenius you are just another hack like most of these "scouts" that are on the interwebz

anotheridiot · Jan 24, 2017

BsGenius said:
This will be the dumbest move ever.

Keep Cutler, if Trubisky is available and the top 2 DLmen aren't, then I don't mind taking a shot. Then you can trade/cut Cutler and focus on rebuilding with Trubisky for the next 3 years. But the better move again, is keeping Culter, draft good linemen and watch Cutler win.

But to give up your #3 to NE for Jimmy G is downright retarded.

If i was running the Bears we would be winning every year.

I got no problem talking up Trubisky at the 3. Washington seems to like him and we could get the top OT in the draft at 17, and pick up another first or second.

How do we address QB from here on out?

How do we address QB position from here on out?

Keep Cutler and go into next year the same as this year

Keep Cutler and draft his replacement to sit on the bench

Cut Cutler, Bring back Hoyer as starter, draft a QB early to groom

Cut Cutler, Bring back Barkley as starter, draft a QB early to groom

Cut Cutler Bring back Hoyer/ Barkley to back up a QB we take in the first round

Barkley is our QB of the future

Hoyer is our QB of the future

Cutler is our QB of the future

Draft multiple QBs to duke it out ala Washington with RG3 and Cousins

Some other solution not listed

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