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Stymietee

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I'd like to retract that statement regarding Watson never reaching an elite level of play again.
THAT will however IMO depend on where he is traded. Texans enjoy getting outwitted in trades, so for all i know he'll end up on the Colts
I do not expect him to put up the gaudy numbers immediately on his new team, and as far as what you've proposed, again if we're in the room
and you're set on this, i'd do it, ONLY because you're clearing a TON of cap space, and i truly believe we are a quarterback away from winning a superbowl...
now, on the flip side....for less trade capital and roster moves, we should get a QB that can eventually be very good and who knows how far we get based on very good.
STY!!! you know I meant, the big 3 on the texans roster, LOL. 3 great players/leaders weren't enough to get the Texans to the superbowl
Retraction noted.

The cap savings are a bonus although not so much with Brandon Schreff this year. The escalators/de-escalators serve as insurance and this team is a Deshawn Watson away from being favorites to make the conference final immediately.

Extremely weak QB class coming out in '22. Right now it appears to me as if the top guys aren't immediate starter material, but likely guys that will need a year or two worth of grooming as they head towards decent NFL QB status. Besides, there are a lot of hopeful folks here looking at this year's team as getting 9+ wins and that means giving up a ton to get that one top guy in the '22 draft.

Serious question, which is more likely? (hoping to get what they want next year.)

1. Texans pay him to not play this year.

2. They trade him (at a lower cost) starting their rebuild plans with new assets this year.
 

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It doesn’t paralyze. He simply isn’t worth the risk.

There are no contradictions.
Contradictions;

There's a player very much connected to the judicial system (unsettled cases). Everyone concerned is waiting for the legal issues to play out and you say that they aren't relying (believing) in/(on) due process to play out? Interesting!!

How does the NFL make money?.... putting out a product that sells and continues to escalate profits, Yeah, that's winning!!

You wrote: "If it is deemed a financial risk not worth taking, then no NFL team will trade for DW. Some team may take the risk…some may not."
 

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Can’t bring him In with this hanging over his head . Not after our latest fiasco
 

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"The Texans aren’t getting the high price they’re asking for him right now which is supposed to be five assets, three draft picks and two starting-caliber players, that’s just not out there for the Texans right now. They’re not going to get it unless they find a franchise in dire straits with absolutely nothing to lose on or off the field. How many of those types of teams is Deshaun Watson going to play for? I don’t even think if you find a desperate trade partner that finishes this.”

Something will have to be worked out soon, though.

The Texans open the season in a little more than a month against the Jaguars on Sept. 12 or they eat his 2021 contract while getting zero productivity from him. Hell, he's not participating in team activities during camp now.

So the Texans are asking for three picks and two starting caliber players…

So your offer is 4 picks a starter, and an all pro of which we pay the all pros salary?

Not sure how that is works.
 

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Contradictions;

There's a player very much connected to the judicial system (unsettled cases). Everyone concerned is waiting for the legal issues to play out and you say that they aren't relying (believing) in/(on) due process to play out? Interesting!!

How does the NFL make money?.... putting out a product that sells and continues to escalate profits, Yeah, that's winning!!

You wrote: "If it is deemed a financial risk not worth taking, then no NFL team will trade for DW. Some team may take the risk…some may not."

Where is the contradiction? You believe the only risk is in the courts? That is not what I said; therefore, no contradiction.
 

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Retraction noted.

The cap savings are a bonus although not so much with Brandon Schreff this year. The escalators/de-escalators serve as insurance and this team is a Deshawn Watson away from being favorites to make the conference final immediately.

Extremely weak QB class coming out in '22. Right now it appears to me as if the top guys aren't immediate starter material, but likely guys that will need a year or two worth of grooming as they head towards decent NFL QB status. Besides, there are a lot of hopeful folks here looking at this year's team as getting 9+ wins and that means giving up a ton to get that one top guy in the '22 draft.

Serious question, which is more likely? (hoping to get what they want next year.)

1. Texans pay him to not play this year.

2. They trade him (at a lower cost) starting their rebuild plans with new assets this year.

Trade. Sty have you considered what happens if we were to acquire Watson, lose a home playoff game, then he gets suspended 1 year? The media backlash would be deafening. The expectations would be similar to what was accomplished in Tampa. We would have 2 years to win a superbowl or be considered the same ol skins.
The odds are not in our favor, unless we rob the texans. One 1st rounder, one DT and then I'd consider it
 

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We need a rookie qb on a rookie contract we have studs to resign
 

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“”It’s important to note that Watson hasn’t been charged with a single crime, and he’s just facing civil cases.


However, having women making these allegations is not good, and it might force the NFL’s hand to put him on the commissioner’s exempt list.

I don’t see how Roger Goodell can let a guy with more than 20 accusations hanging over his head on the field.”
The fear at what could happen sooner then you think
 

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Trade. Sty have you considered what happens if we were to acquire Watson, lose a home playoff game, then he gets suspended 1 year? The media backlash would be deafening. The expectations would be similar to what was accomplished in Tampa. We would have 2 years to win a superbowl or be considered the same ol skins.
The odds are not in our favor, unless we rob the texans. One 1st rounder, one DT and then I'd consider it
Do you know of one other team better equipped to handle this? Washington is the reigning SB champions of screw ups!! Any other team, something like that comes close to being destroyed, while it would be be just another day in the life of Washington football, brush it off the shoulders and move on.

Yep, I have considered that!! Not all negative press is bad press. He's 25 now will be 27 when he returns. Still plenty of football left in him. I don't believe in "bad press" in football. Does anyone believe that Jerrah and the annual predictions of SB's falling way short is bothered by all of the "bad press" that his team gets? I say Nope! because as terrible as they have been the press still talks about them which is in effect making an irrelevant team relevant. Washington in the last 20 years rarely is mentioned by the national press. If ( and that's a gigantic IF) it plays out as you outline it, the talk would be just as you're witnessing it with Dak. When he (Watson) Washington is going to be...

Why is it that this fanbase seems always ready to rob another team and want to play the tightwad with their players and assets involving trades?
 

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“”It’s important to note that Watson hasn’t been charged with a single crime, and he’s just facing civil cases.


However, having women making these allegations is not good, and it might force the NFL’s hand to put him on the commissioner’s exempt list.

I don’t see how Roger Goodell can let a guy with more than 20 accusations hanging over his head on the field.”
The fear at what could happen sooner then you think
"The NFL has not put Watson on the commissioner’s exempt list. The league’s investigation of Watson is ongoing, per the Houston Chronicle. The exempt list would prevent him from playing, essentially putting him on paid leave. “The NFL hasn’t used the designation with Deshaun Watson, indicating the league’s ongoing investigation hasn’t led Roger Goodell to believe a major violation occurred,” per NFL Network’s Tom Pellisero.

"There is no additional context as to why none of the 22 lawsuits have led Goodell to believe a major violation occurred, nor is it clear how the commissioner has come to that conclusion."

If you are a male context matters, believing that he has been a bonehead privately isn't grounds for putting him on the "exempt" list. There are no formal criminal charges and exempting him essentially says that the commissioner has evidence that leads him to believe that he is guilty of something. Right now it's a he said, she said, situation. At some point, males will have to make it clear, accusations aren't proof. They do lie ya know!!
 

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So the Texans are asking for three picks and two starting caliber players…

So your offer is 4 picks a starter, and an all pro of which we pay the all pros salary?

Not sure how that is works.
I'm pretty sure that you're not trying to see how it would work, since you've changed the asking price to an absolute that fits what you're attempting to suggest. (three picks and two starting caliber players)


@Texans
price has been some combination of 5 high draft picks and starting caliber players, per two league executives.


Brandon Scherff would be the reason why they take the offer. They essentially get him for this year free, and he becomes a free agent at the end of the season. Could Washington re-sign him? they would have as much of a chance as anyone else. All of the picks are conditional (insurance) and the lost player mans one of the more easily replaceable positions in the game.
 

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Can’t bring him In with this hanging over his head . Not after our latest fiasco
Do you know of any other team more experienced or better prepared to handle something like this? (the answer is "Not after our latest fiasco") Houston can't be the answer.
 

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I'm pretty sure that you're not trying to see how it would work, since you've changed the asking price to an absolute that fits what you're attempting to suggest. (three picks and two starting caliber players)


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price has been some combination of 5 high draft picks and starting caliber players, per two league executives.


Brandon Scherff would be the reason why they take the offer. They essentially get him for this year free, and he becomes a free agent at the end of the season. Could Washington re-sign him? they would have as much of a chance as anyone else. All of the picks are conditional (insurance) and the lost player mans one of the more easily replaceable positions in the game.

The picks have conditions but none of the picks were conditional.

That was still six in total when you stated they won’t get their ask of 5.
 

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The picks have conditions but none of the picks were conditional.

That was still six in total when you stated they won’t get their ask of 5.
I never said that, I was quoting another source.
 

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Post 116

You made a standing offer and then gave your revised offer. Your original offer was 4 picks and a player. Your revised offer was 4 picks and 2 players.
I was referring to this part of your post.. " you stated "they won’t get their ask of 5." , but that's on me, I could have been clearer. So to be clear, I never said, "they won’t get their ask of 5." In response to another poster who quoted their asking price I was quoting a source that refuted it. I'll try to go back to find it. Quotation marks should have made that clear, but again, that's on me.
 
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Here's post 116, check out the conditions, they're conditional!!

Based upon further consideration and the current situation involving D. Watson, you guys have convinced me to reevaluate my trade offer to one that's more palatable to the objectors here. (I still believe that my original offer gets it done just with greater risks)

Here's my standing offer:

First in '22 and '23

3rd in 2023, and 2024

Matt Ioannidis or Daron Payne not both (They had the worse run stopping defense )

Here's my revised offer based on the fearful responses:

Conditional 2nd in '22 and '23 (reverts to 1sts if he's playing related to his legal case)

Conditional 4th in '23 and '24 (reverts to 3rds if he's playing related to his legal case)

Matt Ioannidis or Daron Payne not both

Brandon Scherff with Washington paying this years salary.
 

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