Pat Forde's realignment plan.

Olyduck · Jul 9, 2020

Stakesarehigh said:
And again that's without mentioning the AAU membership that actually is even more money in federal dollars. In terms of the BIG.

that part he probably did ignore

UCFhonors · Jul 12, 2020

Its a no brainer that a real playoff would include all 10 Conference Champs. That is how all legitimate NCAA tournaments/ playoffs are done.

You don't need to change conference afflitations to have a legit playoff. But no doubt that UCF would dominate the proposed "Deep South" Conference

#UCFacts

Olyduck · Jul 13, 2020

UCFhonors said:
Its a no brainer that a real playoff would include all 10 Conference Champs. That is how all legitimate NCAA tournaments/ playoffs are done.

You don't need to change conference afflitations to have a legit playoff. But no doubt that UCF would dominate the proposed "Deep South" Conference

#UCFacts

full doubt. 2-3 losses annually.

UCFhonors · Jul 13, 2020

Olyduck said:
full doubt. 2-3 losses annually.

Clearly you didn't know that UCF destroyed UGA the last time we played. And UCF has been the best UCFootball team in Florida for years.

Now you see why UCF would dominate the "Deep South" conference

#UCFacts

Olyduck · Jul 13, 2020

UCFhonors said:
Clearly you didn't know that UCF destroyed UGA the last time we played. And UCF has been the best UCFootball team in Florida for years.

Now you see why UCF would dominate the "Deep South" conference

#UCFacts

Ucf won but 10-6 is not destroying. The time before that georgia won.
0-2 vs miami
0-2 vs florida
0-1 vs florida state
0-3 vs George tech
Sub .500 vs usf

PhilSimms11 · Aug 9, 2020

I watched a few YouTube videos with some ideas about CF realignment. They made a Power-6 with 12 teams in each. I'd be on board with that if they eliminate divisions and have a 10-game conference schedule. That's a round robin schedule minus one. It's feasible. Take the top-2 for the CCG. 6 conference champions and 2 at-larges for the playoffs. With this pandemic and conference games-only this season could that inspire an idea like this for the future?

ACC
*Clemson
Duke
Florida St
GA Tech
Maryland
Navy
NC St
No Carolina
So Carolina
USF
Virginia
Wake Forest

Big East
Army
Boston College
Cincinnati
Louisville
Miami
*Penn St
Pitt
Syracuse
Temple
UCF
VA Tech
West Virginia

Big XII
Baylor
Colorado
Kansas
Kansas St
Missouri
Nebraska
*Oklahoma
Oklahoma St
TCU
Texas
Texas A&M
Texas Tech

Big Ten
Illinois
Indiana
Iowa
Iowa St
Michigan
Michigan St
Minnesota
Northwestern
Notre Dame
*Ohio St
Purdue
Wisconsin

Pac-12
Arizona
Arizona St
BYU
Cal
*Oregon
Oregon St
Stanford
UCLA
USC
Utah
Washington
Washington St

SEC
Alabama
Arkansas
Auburn
Florida
Georgia
Kentucky
*LSU
Memphis
Mississippi St
Ole Miss
Tennessee
Vanderbilt
*Conference Champion

(1)LSU (13-0) vs (8)Penn St (10-2)
(4)Oklahoma (12-1) vs (5)Georgia (11-2)

(2)Ohio St (13-0) vs (7)Baylor (11-2)
(3)Clemson (13-0) vs (6)Oregon (11-2)

SWEET.

Rolltide94 · Aug 9, 2020

Olyduck said:
potentially.

it would depend on what kinds of reworking of financial contracts would be drawn up. more access to the playoff with 12 teams instead of just 4. and even if the 12 are all current P5 teams is more football at the end bad?
new tv contracts. less money for travel being spent means more money for the schools to do what they want with it. stop putting the team in hotels for home games the night before.

You have a child level understanding of economics. ESPN isn't going to pay more for shittier games. Nor are they going to pay any more for a 12 team playoff than they would for a 4 team and NY6 situation. The non-playoff Rose Bowl had only 1 million less viewers than the LSU-Oklahoma Semi-Final. The top 4 non-playoff bowl games drew 11 million viewers on average, would a quarter final draw significantly more?

The best tv contract in the G5 pays $83 million a year for the AAC...even the shitty Pac-12 deal pays 10 times that per team. Most of the G5 games are relegated to ESPN+, diluting the conferences doesn't make the demand greater, it makes it worse. Alabama vs Mrs State makes ESPN, Alabama vs La Tech or Tulane might make the SEC Network, Mrs State vs Tulane is ESPN+ fodder. Alabama vs Mrs State had 2.5 million viewers last year, despite Alabama being on a 9 game winning streak over the Bulldogs and a 19 point favorite. By contrast, in what was billed as a clash for the AAC title UCF vs Cincinatti drew 1.44 million in one of the highest rated G5 games of the year. ESPN is paying for viewers, period.

You compared Michigan to a MAC school, but the 12.42 million people who watched OSU dismantle Michigan last year is more the the combined viewership of every regular season MAC game last year, whose highest rated game was the MAC Championship at a whopping 358k.

If the majority of the G5 teams were worth spending money on, ESPN would have already done it. They would have lucrative tv contracts and their own playoff system.

Stakesarehigh · Aug 9, 2020

Rolltide94 said:
You have a child level understanding of economics. ESPN isn't going to pay more for shittier games. Nor are they going to pay any more for a 12 team playoff than they would for a 4 team and NY6 situation. The non-playoff Rose Bowl had only 1 million less viewers than the LSU-Oklahoma Semi-Final. The top 4 non-playoff bowl games drew 11 million viewers on average, would a quarter final draw significantly more?

The best tv contract in the G5 pays $83 million a year for the AAC...even the shitty Pac-12 deal pays 10 times that per team. Most of the G5 games are relegated to ESPN+, diluting the conferences doesn't make the demand greater, it makes it worse. Alabama vs Mrs State makes ESPN, Alabama vs La Tech or Tulane might make the SEC Network, Mrs State vs Tulane is ESPN+ fodder. Alabama vs Mrs State had 2.5 million viewers last year, despite Alabama being on a 9 game winning streak over the Bulldogs and a 19 point favorite. By contrast, in what was billed as a clash for the AAC title UCF vs Cincinatti drew 1.44 million in one of the highest rated G5 games of the year. ESPN is paying for viewers, period.

You compared Michigan to a MAC school, but the 12.42 million people who watched OSU dismantle Michigan last year is more the the combined viewership of every regular season MAC game last year, whose highest rated game was the MAC Championship at a whopping 358k.

If the majority of the G5 teams were worth spending money on, ESPN would have already done it. They would have lucrative tv contracts and their own playoff system.

Like I said earlier in this thread his whole scheme is based on the few bucks generated from a couple playoff games. Which they could add anyway with the current setup. And then add a whole bunch of shittier regular season games.

Pass.

Olyduck · Aug 10, 2020

Rolltide94 said:
You have a child level understanding of economics. ESPN isn't going to pay more for shittier games. Nor are they going to pay any more for a 12 team playoff than they would for a 4 team and NY6 situation. The non-playoff Rose Bowl had only 1 million less viewers than the LSU-Oklahoma Semi-Final. The top 4 non-playoff bowl games drew 11 million viewers on average, would a quarter final draw significantly more?

The best tv contract in the G5 pays $83 million a year for the AAC...even the shitty Pac-12 deal pays 10 times that per team. Most of the G5 games are relegated to ESPN+, diluting the conferences doesn't make the demand greater, it makes it worse. Alabama vs Mrs State makes ESPN, Alabama vs La Tech or Tulane might make the SEC Network, Mrs State vs Tulane is ESPN+ fodder. Alabama vs Mrs State had 2.5 million viewers last year, despite Alabama being on a 9 game winning streak over the Bulldogs and a 19 point favorite. By contrast, in what was billed as a clash for the AAC title UCF vs Cincinatti drew 1.44 million in one of the highest rated G5 games of the year. ESPN is paying for viewers, period.

You compared Michigan to a MAC school, but the 12.42 million people who watched OSU dismantle Michigan last year is more the the combined viewership of every regular season MAC game last year, whose highest rated game was the MAC Championship at a whopping 358k.

If the majority of the G5 teams were worth spending money on, ESPN would have already done it. They would have lucrative tv contracts and their own playoff system.

And yet alabama vs southen miss and west carolina were both on espn2 and espn. And i didnt see a recent miss st tulane game but last year they played louisiana and so miss on eapnu

PhilSimms11 · Aug 10, 2020

This also works for the G-5 (58 teams). Play 10 conference games, no divisions, and top-2 play in CCG. C-USA can play a round robin with 10 teams (9 games).

AAC (12)
Houston
LA Tech
New Mexico St
No Texas
Rice
*SMU
So Miss
Texas St
Tulane
Tulsa
UTEP
UTSA

C-USA (10)
East Carolina
*FAU
FIU
Marshall
Mid Tennessee
Rutgers
UAB
UConn
UMass
W Kentucky

MAC (12)
Akron
Ball St
Bowling Green
Buffalo
C Michigan
E Michigan
Kent St
*Miami (OH)
No Illinois
Ohio
Toledo
W Michigan

Sun Belt (12)
*App St
Arkansas St
Charlotte
Co Carolina
GA Southern
Georgia St
Liberty
Louisiana
Old Dominion
So Alabama
Troy
UL-Monroe

WAC (12)
Air Force
*Boise St
Colorado St
Fresno St
Hawaii
New Mexico
Nevada
San Diego St
San Jose St
UNLV
Utah St
Wyoming

(1)Boise St (12-1) vs (8)Miami (OH) (8-5)
(4)Air Force (10-2) vs (5)FAU (10-3)

(2)App St (12-1) vs (7)LA Tech (10-2)
(3)SMU (11-2) vs (6)Louisiana (10-3)

SWEET.

huskers1217 · Aug 10, 2020

PhilSimms11 said:
Big XII
Baylor
Colorado
Kansas
Kansas St
Missouri
Nebraska
*Oklahoma
Oklahoma St
TCU
Texas
Texas A&M
Texas Tech

NOT IN A MILLION FUCKING YEARS WILL I GO BACK TO DADDY TEJAS.

OKLAHOMA CAN BEND OVER FOR THEM ALL THEY WANT!!!!

foster4prez · Aug 10, 2020

The first step to any serious realignment is realizing that most schools don't have a shot to win a title.

Split FBS into two divisions. 6 conferences of 10 teams each.
Round robin play.
Conference winners and two at larges to the playoffs.
Pair conferences down as far as you want to go and introduce relegation.
PROFIT

Thiefery · Aug 10, 2020

huskers1217 said:
NOT IN A MILLION FUCKING YEARS WILL I GO BACK TO DADDY TEJAS.

OKLAHOMA CAN BEND OVER FOR THEM ALL THEY WANT!!!!

The same way you get bent over for Iowa??

PhilSimms11 · Aug 10, 2020

Damn, this would be fun. Not Forde's idea, but some of the ones on here. I love the symmetry of the conferences, the same number of teams, the same format for the CCG, etc. 14 teams in one conference 10 in another is just dumb as hell and some of those teams are dead weight (um, not you Rutgers

).

Rolltide94 · Aug 10, 2020

Olyduck said:
And yet alabama vs southen miss and west carolina were both on espn2 and espn. And i didnt see a recent miss st tulane game but last year they played louisiana and so miss on eapnu

Alabama vs Western Carolina drew 1.44 million people, slightly outdrawing the 1.36 million that watched Minnesota and Northwestern, but getting clubbed by Penn State vs Ohio State which drew 9.43 million. It was a throwaway game for ESPN because they knew the marquee game was on Fox. They literally knew it would draw an audience just because it was Alabama, but didn't want to waste any of their other games, which got 2 and 3 times the audience respectively.

Alabama vs USM was an even shittier showing with 1.29 million viewers.

Thank you for making my point for me, if every Alabama game drew less than 1.5 million the SEC would be lucky to get half the money they do.

As for ESPNU, lol, you could literally count on one hand the number of ESPNU games that drew more than 200K viewers. You might as well have said they were on the OCHO.

Nobody is paying for that shit...it is just fodder.

Pat Forde's realignment plan.

What do you think of Pat Forde's realignment plan?

Yes, great idea.

No, with all due respect, I don't like it.

Pat Forde needs to be drug tested.

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