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Duckboy33

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Forget about the upcoming season for a second and pretend you are getting a fresh start at each program. How would you rank the Big 12 jobs?

My ranking:

1) Texas - National brand, elite facilities, great recruiting in the area (Texas and the Gulf States)

2) Oklahoma - Very similar reasoning to Texas, might even have a better national brand in 2020. But you don't have the same home base for recruiting.

3) West Virginia - This one might surprise people but I really like the WV job. They are the biggest sports team in the state and they have a good fanbase. WV doesn't produce a lot of talent but they are very close to PA/MD/VA who produce a lot of talent. With the right coach, you can get 25 good kids each year to commit to WV.

4) Oklahoma State - They have great facilities and a good fanbase. However, what makes this job tougher than WV is their recruiting. When Oklahoma State goes down to Texas, they have to recruit against Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M and others.

5) TCU - TCU has largely succeeded in their jump from the MWC to the Big 12. They have a smaller fanbase than the big public schools in Texas but they are in an area of the country with a lot of great recruits and TCU has built their brand up.

6) Baylor - The Bears have built up their reputation over the years. Briles was a great coach (on the field, not talking about his off the field problems) and Matt Rhule was so good that he was off to the NFL after a few years. They've had a lot of success with those guys. However, I don't think the Baylor job is as easy as those coaches made it look. It's still a small private school that has had their fair share of scandals recently.

7) Texas Tech - On one hand they are a public school in the state of Texas. On the other hand, Lubbock is not the easiest place to recruit to. They have had problems finding sustained success since Mike Leach was let go.

8) Kansas State - They have a good fanbase that supports K-State football. It's just difficult to find 25 kids every year to go to Kansas State that will put them in the upper half of the Big 12. But Bill Snyder found a way and Klineman has done a good job as well.

9) Iowa State - Very similar job to Kansas State except they never had their Bill Snyder. Right now Matt Campbell is having a lot of success at Iowa State but that hasn't significantly impacted their recruiting. Their recruiting remains in the bottom 1/3 in the Big 12. This is a tough place to bring in talent.

10) Kansas - Saying Kansas has struggled this last decade would be a nice way of putting it. They have consistently been terrible and fan support is almost non-existent. It's also not an easy place to bring in talent.
 

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I might flip 1 and 2 just because of the meddling boosters at UT. Mack wasn’t perfect but he was a master and handling all the busy bodies. Takes a special skill set to manage those people.
 

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Oklahoma and Texas are definitely a cut above, and Kansas is definitely at the bottom. IMO, 3-9 are a crap shoot though. For example, Iowa State has the 3rd largest stadium in the conference, fills it (good or bad), the facilities have been been vastly improved over the past decade and the recruiting must not be too bad - as they have 11 players on the pre-season all Big Xii first two teams this year. I'm not saying they should be 3rd as a destination job, but 9th is harsh. A good coach can win, succeed and be happy at ISU.
 

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I don't know how Baylor does it, despite the Admin being POS.. they still attract good coaches. And despite it being a private school, being in Waco is a good median for players in DFW, HOU, and CenTex.
 

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I'd probably flip TCU and WVU and move Oklahoma State to 5. I understand your reasoning for having them there, and understand they are geographically close to PA/MD/VA but for some reason I feel like alot of their better players in the last 10-15 years have come from the south. But maybe the new staff will put more emphasis on this area and start pulling more of the higher rated recruits. Getting OSU, PSU, etc leftover kids can still be a good thing. Just ask Kentucky.

It's tough though because WVU has more of a track record historically going through their coaches. TCU is essentially a .500 program taking out the run with Patterson, so how good can the program be without him? Going back the last 55 years WVU has made really good hires. TCU was one of the worst programs between 1970 and 2000. That's a long time to be that inept. It's a really tough call for me, but I'd slightly lean TCU over WVU.
 

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I have KAnsas above KSU.
 

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Oklahoma and Texas are definitely a cut above, and Kansas is definitely at the bottom. IMO, 3-9 are a crap shoot though. For example, Iowa State has the 3rd largest stadium in the conference, fills it (good or bad), the facilities have been been vastly improved over the past decade and the recruiting must not be too bad - as they have 11 players on the pre-season all Big Xii first two teams this year. I'm not saying they should be 3rd as a destination job, but 9th is harsh. A good coach can win, succeed and be happy at ISU.

Who would you rank ISU over?
 

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Oklahoma and Texas are definitely a cut above, and Kansas is definitely at the bottom. IMO, 3-9 are a crap shoot though. For example, Iowa State has the 3rd largest stadium in the conference, fills it (good or bad), the facilities have been been vastly improved over the past decade and the recruiting must not be too bad - as they have 11 players on the pre-season all Big Xii first two teams this year. I'm not saying they should be 3rd as a destination job, but 9th is harsh. A good coach can win, succeed and be happy at ISU.
Iowa State is the best job. Good fan support without them being frickin' unreasonable.
 

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I'd probably flip TCU and WVU and move Oklahoma State to 5. I understand your reasoning for having them there, and understand they are geographically close to PA/MD/VA but for some reason I feel like alot of their better players in the last 10-15 years have come from the south. But maybe the new staff will put more emphasis on this area and start pulling more of the higher rated recruits. Getting OSU, PSU, etc leftover kids can still be a good thing. Just ask Kentucky.

It's tough though because WVU has more of a track record historically going through their coaches. TCU is essentially a .500 program taking out the run with Patterson, so how good can the program be without him? Going back the last 55 years WVU has made really good hires. TCU was one of the worst programs between 1970 and 2000. That's a long time to be that inept. It's a really tough call for me, but I'd slightly lean TCU over WVU.

100% agree.

A hell of a lot of good players we have/had are from Florida. Holgorsen started going away from recruiting there after we lost assistant Seider. He was magic n Florida. Hopefully brown goes back to this. Need to do a better job in MD/Dc belt area too.
 

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Who would you rank ISU over?
It's hard to say, because 3-9 are all really equal. Depends on the day and the metric you prefer. Right now, I'd say ISU is as good of a job in the Big Xii outside of Norman and Austin. They have a larger stadium than everybody but OU and Texas, they fill it up (win or lose), and they have more two-deep preseason-all Big Xii players than anybody not named Oklahoma or Texas - so apparently talent can be recruited to Ames.

I wouldn't say it is the 3rd best job in the Big Xii, but an argument could be made that it is an upper half job. OU and Texas are definitely better. Okla. State has more money, Texas Tech is a public school in Texas, but I think ISU is as good or better than the other 5 schools as a football job as things stand today. fyi: If they play the season this year, ISU is going to be one of the top teams in the Big Xii and should challenge for a CCG spot.
 

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ISU is going to be one of the top teams in the Big Xii and should challenge for a CCG spot.




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It's hard to say, because 3-9 are all really equal. Depends on the day and the metric you prefer. Right now, I'd say ISU is as good of a job in the Big Xii outside of Norman and Austin. They have a larger stadium than everybody but OU and Texas, they fill it up (win or lose), and they have more two-deep preseason-all Big Xii players than anybody not named Oklahoma or Texas - so apparently talent can be recruited to Ames.

I wouldn't say it is the 3rd best job in the Big Xii, but an argument could be made that it is an upper half job. OU and Texas are definitely better. Okla. State has more money, Texas Tech is a public school in Texas, but I think ISU is as good or better than the other 5 schools as a football job as things stand today. fyi: If they play the season this year, ISU is going to be one of the top teams in the Big Xii and should challenge for a CCG spot.

I agree that 3-9 is very close and Iowa State has good fan support in comparison to a lot of these teams. However, I'm not focusing on the 2020 season, I'm looking at how appealing each job is. Here's what concerns me about the Iowa State job:

1) Lack of historical success. They have less success traditionally than anyone else in the Big 12 besides Kansas.

2) Recruiting. You can say that ISU has a lot of talent on their roster for 2020. And I won't argue with that. You can attribute that to a lot of things. It could be Campbell's ability to develop talent or evaluate talent or possibly a combination of the two. However, what you can't contribute it to is his ability to land blue chip recruits in comparison to the rest of the conference.

Here are Iowa State's recruiting results since Campbell took over:

2016 - 8th in the Big 12, 0 4/5 star recruits, 82.49 recruit average
2017 - 7th in the Big 12, 0 4/5 star recruits, 83.90 recruit average
2018 - 7th in the Big 12, 1 4/5 star recruit, 84.81 recruit average
2019 - 6th in the Big 12, 2 4/5 star recruits, 85.33 recruit average
2020 - 6th in the Big 12, 1 4/5 star recruit, 85.11 recruit average

There's no doubt Campbell is improving the recruiting. But what worries me about the Iowa State job is despite their on field success, they are still in the lower half of the Big 12's recruiting rankings.
 

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I agree that 3-9 is very close and Iowa State has good fan support in comparison to a lot of these teams. However, I'm not focusing on the 2020 season, I'm looking at how appealing each job is. Here's what concerns me about the Iowa State job:

1) Lack of historical success. They have less success traditionally than anyone else in the Big 12 besides Kansas.

2) Recruiting. You can say that ISU has a lot of talent on their roster for 2020. And I won't argue with that. You can attribute that to a lot of things. It could be Campbell's ability to develop talent or evaluate talent or possibly a combination of the two. However, what you can't contribute it to is his ability to land blue chip recruits in comparison to the rest of the conference.

Here are Iowa State's recruiting results since Campbell took over:

2016 - 8th in the Big 12, 0 4/5 star recruits, 82.49 recruit average
2017 - 7th in the Big 12, 0 4/5 star recruits, 83.90 recruit average
2018 - 7th in the Big 12, 1 4/5 star recruit, 84.81 recruit average
2019 - 6th in the Big 12, 2 4/5 star recruits, 85.33 recruit average
2020 - 6th in the Big 12, 1 4/5 star recruit, 85.11 recruit average

There's no doubt Campbell is improving the recruiting. But what worries me about the Iowa State job is despite their on field success, they are still in the lower half of the Big 12's recruiting rankings.
That settles it. You are not the right man for the Iowa State job. So, we have decided to go in a different direction. :D
 

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How many coaches, assistants too, from those schools got better gigs when they left?
 

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Currently, I would rate Oklahoma as a better job than Texas because the Sooners have been much more consistent for the last several years & always recruit well in the state of Texas.

I would put the Longhorns second, despite their tons of money & recruiting base, because they have spent so much time spinning their wheels under their last three head coaches.

Oklahoma St. would be third, based on resources & consistency. From there, we go by tiers, with TCU & West Virginia splitting the 4th tier; Baylor, Kansas St., Texas Tech & Iowa St. occupying the 5th tier; and Kansas bringing up the rear.
 

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Currently, I would rate Oklahoma as a better job than Texas because the Sooners have been much more consistent for the last several years & always recruit well in the state of Texas.

I would put the Longhorns second, despite their tons of money & recruiting base, because they have spent so much time spinning their wheels under their last three head coaches.

Oklahoma St. would be third, based on resources & consistency. From there, we go by tiers, with TCU & West Virginia splitting the 4th tier; Baylor, Kansas St., Texas Tech & Iowa St. occupying the 5th tier; and Kansas bringing up the rear.
I mean sure.. But if you were looking for a place to build, you'd choose Texas before ou. Unless you don't think you can't handle it. Lincoln would field better defensive players at Texas without even trying.
Also Lincoln would have been crucified by the media.. There's more than a dozen media companies that have dedicated reporters, journalists that cover UT. Lincoln gets coddled by the media in Norman. Had he been in Austin they would bring heat about players with iffy off-season infractions and why they got embarrassed in the CFP twice in the row.
Last point, #ouSUCKS
 
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