POLL Better Michigan head football coach

GoldRusher · Jul 12, 2020

Who ya got?

NolePride · Jul 12, 2020

The operative word is "coach."

Hoke doesn't qualify.

Rich Rod was a better "coach"...Harbaugh is a better recruiter.

Rich Rod was never able to get all the talent he needed to make his offense successful. (Nor did the Mich
fans ever embrace that change of offense. Harbaugh can get players for his system, but he can't win
big in the modern era. (Against teams that have adapted.

GoldRusher · Jul 12, 2020

I had to go RichRod as well. IMO people just got too impatient with ol Roots.

ericd7633 · Jul 12, 2020

I always maintained that if RR would have been given another year at Michigan he would been able to turn it around. He was also in an impossible spot because he followed Carr and he wasn't a "Michigan" man. He was great at WVU obviously, and even his tenure at Arizona I would call a success given its Arizona.

Ojb81 · Jul 12, 2020

Rich Rod, without a doubt.

Voltaire26 · Jul 12, 2020

Going with our current coach ...

GoldRusher · Jul 12, 2020

ericd7633 said:
I always maintained that if RR would have been given another year at Michigan he would been able to turn it around. He was also in an impossible spot because he followed Carr and he wasn't a "Michigan" man. He was great at WVU obviously, and even his tenure at Arizona I would call a success given its Arizona.

Had Ole Miss offense showing some flashes last year as OC before the coaching change.
He had a similar change of offense at WVU. Nehlen was a disciple of Bo and ran similar if not same offense and it took RichRod a few years before the fireworks started. IMO Hoke kind of got a similar raw deal as he was transitioning from RR’s system (though RR’s guys DID get him to a Sugar bowl).

Across The Field · Jul 12, 2020

All 3 aren't/weren't very good considering the resources michigan has to offer. RR was never going to be successful in the B1G with that offense. It can work in the Pac-12 or in the old Big East, but not year in/year out against the defenses in the Big Ten. I went with Hoke because he's the only one who could manage to beat Ohio State. He also won a major bowl.

Voltaire26 · Jul 12, 2020

Across The Field said:
All 3 aren't/weren't very good considering the resources michigan has to offer. RR was never going to be successful in the B1G with that offense. It can work in the Pac-12 or in the old Big East, but not year in/year out against the defenses in the Big Ten. I went with Hoke because he's the only one who could manage to beat Ohio State. He also won a major bowl.

It pains me, but I am going to be honest ... you are 90% correct with your post. When Brady Hoke and Michigan beat ohio state it was a transitional year (singular) for you. In between Tressel and Suburban Meyer. We should have slaughter you, but squeaked by with a one score margin of victory. Not that impressive.

Ohio State vs. Michigan - Game Summary - November 26, 2011 - ESPN

Wamu · Jul 12, 2020

The one time I would have voted for potato salad and it's not an opinion. Dammit.

Can't go with Harbaugh. He's on the wrong end of UofM coaching history. First coach to start 0-5 vs. Ohio State. First coach to give up 55+ in back to back games to the Buckeyes. Only coach in UofM history to lose back to back bowl games by double digits. But he is undefeated in spring games.

RichRod (15-22 in 3 seasons). Thought his tenure in ann arbor was excellent. Never won more tha 7 games in a season. From what I remember when he first got to campus he started taking down pictures of former UofM football players in the athletic center. Great legacy.

As odd as it sounds right now the answer has to be Hoke.

Duckboy33 · Jul 12, 2020

Harbaugh and it’s not even close

Across The Field · Jul 12, 2020

Voltaire26 said:
It pains me, but I am going to be honest ... you are 90% correct with your post. When Brady Hoke and Michigan beat ohio state it was a transitional year (singular) for you. In between Tressel and Suburban Meyer. We should have slaughter you, but squeaked by with a one score margin of victory. Not that impressive.

Ohio State vs. Michigan - Game Summary - November 26, 2011 - ESPN

Ya'll also won a legit BCS game that year too. I'd argue it's michigan's best year of the last decade.

ericd7633 · Jul 12, 2020

Across The Field said:
All 3 aren't/weren't very good considering the resources michigan has to offer. RR was never going to be successful in the B1G with that offense. It can work in the Pac-12 or in the old Big East, but not year in/year out against the defenses in the Big Ten. I went with Hoke because he's the only one who could manage to beat Ohio State. He also won a major bowl.

The offense was the only reason they were as good as they were in 2010. The offense made significant strides under RR. Defense was the problem.

Dolemite censored · Jul 12, 2020

The last Michigan coach to beat Ohio State?

Across The Field · Jul 12, 2020

ericd7633 said:
The offense was the only reason they were as good as they were in 2010. The offense made significant strides under RR. Defense was the problem.

They were 7-6 in 2010 and got smoked by everyone they played that was any good. Their offense was decent but not effective against good defenses. Most of the points they scored against Iowa, Penn State, and Wisconsin happened when the game was well in hand, and they didn't really do much at all against Michigan State, Miss. State, or Ohio State.

ericd7633 · Jul 12, 2020

Across The Field said:
They were 7-6 in 2010 and got smoked by everyone they played that was any good. Their offense was decent but not effective against good defenses. Most of the points they scored against Iowa, Penn State, and Wisconsin happened when the game was well in hand, and they didn't really do much at all against Michigan State, Miss. State, or Ohio State.

I wouldn't say the games against Iowa and Wisconsin were well in hand. They cut it to 7 against Iowa with 7 minutes to go. And were trailing 31-21 after 3 quarters against Wisconsin. Same against PSU. It was 38-31 with 10 minutes to go. Admittedly they did bad against both msu's and OSU. If they had even an average defense, my guess is they win 1/2 of those games(they finished 106 in defensive efficiency).

Across The Field · Jul 12, 2020

ericd7633 said:
I wouldn't say the games against Iowa and Wisconsin were well in hand. They cut it to 7 against Iowa with 7 minutes to go. And were trailing 31-21 after 3 quarters against Wisconsin. Same against PSU. It was 38-31 with 10 minutes to go. Admittedly they did bad against both msu's and OSU. If they had even an average defense, my guess is they win 1/2 of those games(they finished 106 in defensive efficiency).

They were trailing Iowa by 21 five minutes into the 4th quarter before they put in back-ups. They were trailing by 10 after three quarters against Wisconsin and then were down by 17 two seconds into the 4th quarter, then a few minutes later they were down by 20. They were down 21 to Penn State until very late in the 3rd quarter. My point is, they were down big in all 3 of those games when their offense started really scoring in garbage time, making the games look closer than they were. Their defense was absolute garbage, that's for sure, but his offensive style was never going to work long-term in the B1G.

jjc2009 · Jul 12, 2020

Well this guy of course:

Duckboy33 · Jul 12, 2020

Folks are letting their hatred of Harbaugh get in the way of their judgement.

Big Ten records for each coach:

Rich Rod - 6-18 (6-2 the year before he took over)
Hoke - 18-14 (3-5 the year before he took over)
Harbaugh - 32-12 (3-5 the year before he took over)

ericd7633 · Jul 12, 2020

Across The Field said:
They were trailing Iowa by 21 five minutes into the 4th quarter before they put in back-ups. They were trailing by 10 after three quarters against Wisconsin and then were down by 17 two seconds into the 4th quarter, then a few minutes later they were down by 20. They were down 21 to Penn State until very late in the 3rd quarter. My point is, they were down big in all 3 of those games when their offense started really scoring in garbage time, making the games look closer than they were. Their defense was absolute garbage, that's for sure, but his offensive style was never going to work long-term in the B1G.

Iowa didn't pull their offensive starters. They played the whole way through. And on the TD pass to Hemingway to make it 35-21, both Hyde and Greenwood were still in the game. So I don't think that is accurate saying they took their starters out of the game. I get your point, it's just not accurate. Scoring a TD to make it a 7 point game with 10 minutes to go isn't scoring in garbage time(PSU game).

And I'd disagree about his style. With his players in the system they were a very good offense(2010). Even in 2011 the offense was still very good. Imagine RR with another year that season. They would have been even better than 2010 offensively.

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