Making a Murderer

mcnabb7542 · Jul 11, 2020

Nosferatu said:
Anybody still following this case?

I've been watching a lot of Erekose on you tube. There are some who claim to be in the know that are saying Steven and Brendan will never get out because there is an "understanding" within the state from law enforcement all the way to the supreme court that no matter what happens they can't let the truth get out.

I just finally watched it and holy shit what a joke.
I think his newest attorney has the correct time line, the question is did his nephew (Bobby) and brother in law did it or her x boyfriend who basically put the car on the Avery's property with the help of that Seg Colburn, dude has his hands in everything with Avery

Nosferatu · Jul 11, 2020

mcnabb7542 said:
I just finally watched it and holy shit what a joke.
I think his newest attorney has the correct time line, the question is did his nephew (Bobby) and brother in law did it or her x boyfriend who basically put the car on the Avery's property with the help of that Seg Colburn, dude has his hands in everything with Avery

Lenk is also everywhere, these guys set him up the first time and they are the ones that found they key even though Manitowac county police was not suppose to be there.

I think it was the ex boyfriend. I also think he's the one who gave Lenk and Coburn the spare key, he moved into the house Teresa was living at after she was killed and had access to all her stuff. Also, how did he have her day planner?

mcnabb7542 · Jul 11, 2020

Nosferatu said:
Lenk is also everywhere, these guys set him up the first time and they are the ones that found they key even though Manitowac county police was not suppose to be there.

I think it was the ex boyfriend. I also think he's the one who gave Lenk and Coburn the spare key, he moved into the house Teresa was living at after she was killed and had access to all her stuff. Also, how did he have her day planner?

Yeah the day planner and Coburn running the plate on her Rave, then this new lawyer finding a witness who saw her car and reported it to who else Coburn..

Even if they didn't like the family they should never pin something like this on him.
Specially the nephew, the kid was slow and has spent most of his life in prison

Nosferatu · Jul 11, 2020

mcnabb7542 said:
Yeah the day planner and Coburn running the plate on her Rave, then this new lawyer finding a witness who saw her car and reported it to who else Coburn..

Even if they didn't like the family they should never pin something like this on him.
Specially the nephew, the kid was slow and has spent most of his life in prison

Yeah and Coburn got that call back in like 1995 from a cop saying they had the wrong guy and did nothing with it. That piece of shit should be rotting in jail, a bunch of those bastards should be Coburn, Lenk, Kratz, Peterson, Kusche, Dvorak, DA Denis Vogel, judge Hazelwood and especially Tom Kocourek every single one of them should spend their lives in prison oh and Steve's cousin the bitch who lied on him to get him in trouble back in 1985!

MY biggest question has always been, he's actively bleeding and they found her blood all over the Rav but there is absolutely no mixture of his blood and hers anywhere.

calsnowskier · Jul 11, 2020

Just as a reminder...

This show is produced by a team with an agenda. I acknowledge they put forth a convincing case. But they also leave a lot of facts out. When S1 dropped, I did some independent research on the case, and there was a LOT of VERY damning evidence that the show completely left out (the victim had a restraining order on Steven, for example).

This show is essentially a defense teams side of the story without also showing the prosecution. And they don’t have to follow any of the rules normally in place in a court of law (lies and half-truths are completely allowed in the show).

Watch the show as entertainment. But if you take it for anything more than that, you are doing yourself a great disservice.

Blackshirts BLVD · Jul 11, 2020

calsnowskier said:
Just as a reminder...

This show is produced by a team with an agenda. I acknowledge they put forth a convincing case. But they also leave a lot of facts out. When S1 dropped, I did some independent research on the case, and there was a LOT of VERY damning evidence that the show completely left out (the victim had a restraining order on Steven, for example).

This show is essentially a defense teams side of the story without also showing the prosecution. And they don’t have to follow any of the rules normally in place in a court of law (lies and half-truths are completely allowed in the show).

Watch the show as entertainment. But if you take it for anything more than that, you are doing yourself a great disservice.

I was going to make a similar statement.

Question though, if the victim had a restraining order on Steven, why would she go to his house to take pictures? Is the theory then that he sought her, captured her, brought her to his house, killed her, torched the body, moved the bones, then moved them back, then hid her car on his property?

Again, I agree that ALL documentaries typically have thousands of hours that they whittle down to 2-10 or so hours depending in which they are trying to present (usually) just one side. And while I have also witnessed some damning info, I hadn't heard about the restraining order which doesn't make much sense to me and either way, Brenden Dassey got screwed in my opinion. Separate Steven from the equation for a moment and Brendens testimony was about as coerced as one can be and it honestly scares me that the courts haven't thrown that out. Not only does he have a low IQ, he's was a minor and did not have a parent or attorney present, and he repeatedly told them no, idk, drew the wrong pictures, etc.. until he clearly (in my opinion based on body language) felt pressured enough and was practically reassured he would go home to tell them what they wanted to hear.

calsnowskier · Jul 11, 2020

Blackshirts BLVD said:
I was going to make a similar statement.

Question though, if the victim had a restraining order on Steven, why would she go to his house to take pictures? Is the theory then that he sought her, captured her, brought her to his house, killed her, torched the body, moved the bones, then moved them back, then hid her car on his property?

Again, I agree that ALL documentaries typically have thousands of hours that they whittle down to 2-10 or so hours depending in which they are trying to present (usually) just one side. And while I have also witnessed some damning info, I hadn't heard about the restraining order which doesn't make much sense to me and either way, Brenden Dassey got screwed in my opinion. Separate Steven from the equation for a moment and Brendens testimony was about as coerced as one can be and it honestly scares me that the courts haven't thrown that out. Not only does he have a low IQ, he's was a minor and did not have a parent or attorney present, and he repeatedly told them no, idk, drew the wrong pictures, etc.. until he clearly (in my opinion based on body language) felt pressured enough and was practically reassured he would go home to tell them what they wanted to hear.

I did the research years ago. I don’t remember the details. But that exact question occurred to me as well. Maybe she didn’t realize was him??? No idea.

and the city had a LOT of incentive to frame him. He had a back-breaking lawsuit pending against the city, and there is a very good chance he is a psychopath, so the argument can be made that they looked at him, not because they thought he did this murder, but because they knew he was just a flat out bad guy.

as for the events of the night, who knows. Remember, though, that real life murder does not play out like a tv murder. It doesn’t necessarily make sense.

my basic point, though, is that I simply don’t trust it as a documentary. If I catch you in one lie, everything else you say to me is suspect.

calsnowskier · Jul 11, 2020

Full disclosure...

I am unable to find any reference to the restraining order now. Again, I did my research on the case when the show came out, so my memory on the details is flimsy at best...

SU Nittany Tide · Jul 11, 2020

calsnowskier said:
Full disclosure...

I am unable to find any reference to the restraining order now. Again, I did my research on the case when the show came out, so my memory on the details is flimsy at best...

I didn't think that made sense considering she willingly went to his place. I know there are movements equally biased against him that throw a lot of lies/half truths to prove he is guilty. I think a lot of people think he is guilty and that the cops were also guilty. In my opinion, if you think the cops stacked the deck against him, you can't really believe beyond a reasonable doubt that he's guilty because so much evidence is unreliable.

calsnowskier · Jul 12, 2020

SU Nittany Tide said:
I didn't think that made sense considering she willingly went to his place. I know there are movements equally biased against him that throw a lot of lies/half truths to prove he is guilty. I think a lot of people think he is guilty and that the cops were also guilty. In my opinion, if you think the cops stacked the deck against him, you can't really believe beyond a reasonable doubt that he's guilty because so much evidence is unreliable.

Valid points.

But I did the research back when S1 aired. I watched a number of documentaries and there was a pretty in depth 48 hours story on it. At the time, I was convinced that the Making a Murderer show was pure propaganda. I can’t argue for or against the case now, almost 5 years later.

mcnabb7542 · Jul 12, 2020

Yeah the whole restraining order doesn't really add up for me.
I know there was a ton of other shows back then that most likely played out the facts of the case as they were told in court documents.

I don't know, you just don't go out and get a high power lawyer to work pro bono for you and spend all their resources on expert information. Somethings don't really line up like the county and the state say they did back then

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