Name Change

deanpet21 · Jul 9, 2020

skinsdad62 said:
so far they are moving away from it and with the cancel culture i doubt they will get onboard with it

and the NFL, corporate america and snyder dont have the courage to stand against it

How can they protest against a spear logo, which is used by many sports teams. Go with warriors, keep the colors and the spear logo helmets. We should be fine.

kbso83432 · Jul 9, 2020

deanpet21 said:
How can they protest against a spear logo, which is used by many sports teams. Go with warriors, keep the colors and the spear logo helmets. We should be fine.

Thats my ideal scenario.

skinsdad62 · Jul 9, 2020

deanpet21 said:
How can they protest against a spear logo, which is used by many sports teams. Go with warriors, keep the colors and the spear logo helmets. We should be fine.

i would agree with you but the cancel culture doesnt want any NA themes or logos and thats the rub and that makes it hard for me to get behind a total rebrand with snyder owning the team

see before its the team named skins with its history and nostalgia HTTR and the band

with a total rebrand you get an defacto expansion team

the fans who are root root root for the home team probably will accept it the beat reporters covering this team arent really fans . its a job to them and getting twiitter likes , FB hits and readership and ratings are the main concern .

the JLC's the jason reids , , the mike wises arent fans . they are about the job . they arent fans and i am not sure the guys covering the team are either . if they get laid off or a better job somewhere else and they are off to greener pastures

people like you and me who live and die for the team skins and support them no matter what have tough choices to make
some of the long term posters on this board will leave either because of the politics of the name change , not liking the new name or team or simply watching the history being erased of the team

i imagine their will be a 30 to 50 % loss of the fan base

where do you stand ? are you with this team no matter what the name ?

Breed · Jul 9, 2020

Well now. Will you look at that.

Holding US Government to Its Treaty Promises 'For Once,' Supreme Court Rules Nearly Half of Oklahoma Still Native American Territory

countryroads316 · Jul 9, 2020

Washington Redwolves - fight song

Hail to the Redwolves
Hail Victory
Wolves on the Warpath
Fighting for Dominancy

Anyone? lol

I just made this up I'm bored

skinsdad62 · Jul 9, 2020

Breed said:
Well now. Will you look at that.

Holding US Government to Its Treaty Promises 'For Once,' Supreme Court Rules Nearly Half of Oklahoma Still Native American Territory

maybe we should eliminate all the states that did that and get rid of them

good thing the serial rapist got off though

Breed · Jul 9, 2020

skinsdad62 said:
maybe we should eliminate all the states that did that and get rid of them

good thing the serial rapist got off though

No he didn't.

McGirt v. Oklahoma

The Supreme Court is no stranger of Indian law cases. It hears them regularly. However, McGirt is probably the most important federal case since Cobell v. Salazar, which was filed in 1996, never reached he Supreme Court, and was settled with the Obama administration in 2009. And McGirt is probably the most important Native lands case in at least half a century.

But first things first. The real importance of this case has nothing to do with the plaintiff Jimcy McGirt, who was sentenced to 1000 (yes, a thousand) years for raping a four year old. The case was not about his guilt, which was not disputed. He has already served twenty years and this decision won’t free him, although he might get a new trial in federal court, for all the good that will do him.

To settle this case then, courts were not reconsidering his guilt, which they accepted. Rather, they were determining whether or not his crimes took place in Indian Country, the U.S. legal for lands under tribal authority. And the quest to answer that question opened up the long history of what is sometimes politely termed “Native dispossession.” A more accurate description is a centuries-long process of European and U.S. colonial land theft.

McGirt wasn't the only criminal though

Most Americans have only a hazy understanding of the process. But in what is currently the United States, it began in the early 17th century and continued in earnest until the mid-20th century. In some ways it has not ended, but the bulk of it occured during those roughly 350 years.

One of the more infamous incidents of such theft is commonly called The Trail of Tears, or Nunna daul isunyi in the Cherokee language. This refers to the ethnic cleansing of five large Native nations (Cherokees, Chickasaws, Choctaws, Seminoles, and Muscogees [or Creeks in English]) from the South during the 1830s and 40s. It was just one of many such actions, but it’s the one that’s likeliest to pop up in a HS textbook. It’s also at the heart of McGirt.

These five nations (and eventually many others) were forced to move to present day Oklahoma, which back then was called Indian Territory. Upon moving there, the United States acknowledged their governments and new state boundaries.

deanpet21 · Jul 10, 2020

skinsdad62 said:
i would agree with you but the cancel culture doesnt want any NA themes or logos and thats the rub and that makes it hard for me to get behind a total rebrand with snyder owning the team

see before its the team named skins with its history and nostalgia HTTR and the band

with a total rebrand you get an defacto expansion team

the fans who are root root root for the home team probably will accept it the beat reporters covering this team arent really fans . its a job to them and getting twiitter likes , FB hits and readership and ratings are the main concern .

the JLC's the jason reids , , the mike wises arent fans . they are about the job . they arent fans and i am not sure the guys covering the team are either . if they get laid off or a better job somewhere else and they are off to greener pastures

people like you and me who live and die for the team skins and support them no matter what have tough choices to make
some of the long term posters on this board will leave either because of the politics of the name change , not liking the new name or team or simply watching the history being erased of the team

i imagine their will be a 30 to 50 % loss of the fan base

where do you stand ? are you with this team no matter what the name ?

But Spears were used in ancient times as weapons from all cultures. Im with this team no matter what happens.

Ruzious · Jul 10, 2020

Breed said:
Well now. Will you look at that.

Holding US Government to Its Treaty Promises 'For Once,' Supreme Court Rules Nearly Half of Oklahoma Still Native American Territory

Wow, I heard nothing about that until just now seeing your post - even though I have been paying attention to the news.

gkekoa · Jul 10, 2020

Breed said:
I don't see how you can rationalize that Manifest Destiny wasn't used in a legal setting. Unless you're saying it was applied illegally which I wouldn't disagree with.

The Removal Act of 1830 giving the President the power to persuade, bribe, and threaten NAs off their land sounds pretty legal to me though. And if that didn't work military force was authorized to forcibly make it happen.

And I already answered that. Whichever treaties/promises that the US broke with whatever tribe that they broke it with. If the Crow took the land from the Apache and the US took it from the Crow. Than made a treaty with the Crow that the US would eventually break. Than its the Crow that the US needs to make amends to now.

It's almost as if you're purposely trying to muddy the waters on this subject.

So what's your point? The US has dealt with black people from a racial perspective since the first slave ship arrived from Africa to this very day with the 18 to 1 ratio, that not too long ago was 100 to 1, for punishment as it concerns crack/powder cocaine possession. I can't say I remember n*g*o used a whole lot except on paperwork and such. I do remember colored which as just about the stupidest shit ever as if white people didn't have a color. I grew up black, and as far as culture goes. I'm a southland Cali boy. Perhaps that's why I don't have a problem with anyone putting a qualifier, Italian, African, Jewish etc along with American when describing one's self.

My comments about language wasn't made specifically about America or NAs. It was made from a worldwide perspective as the biggest barrier that separates us from one another.

The word’s manifest destiny were never used in a legal setting. Every country in the world had been imperialistic and expanded up to that point. They did not call it manifest destiny. Hell, China is trying to do it today in the South China Sea. Where is the outrage?

As for the Removal Act, persuade and bribe are essentially the same thing and neither are wrong. It is simply called a transaction and a negotiation. Countries threaten each other all the time and is simply part of the way things were done in the time. The country that basically put an end to it world wide was the US.

OK...so I am clear. It was fine for one tribe to take land away from another tribe, but US is bad for doing the same thing? Got it. Not at all trying to muddy anything. You would have been fine if we killed off the tribe and taken their land without a treaty because that is what the tribes did to each other. You would have actually liked genocide.

what is your point? You mentioned Italian or Irish American and I mentioned they didn’t really call themselves that. They were Italian or Irish based simply on ancestry and culture. African Americans are basing it sold on race and nothing to do with culture. They want to have a tie to the mother land but have no interest in the actual culture. I won’t call people whatever they want to be called. They can call themselves whatever they want. That is freedom. But African-American is not a race.

I would say language has very little to do with what separates us. I would say belief systems separate us far more. Which one separates us from Iran more, Arabic/English or radical Islamic leadership/Constitution? Which separates us from China, Mandarin/English or communism/democracy?

skinsdad62 · Jul 10, 2020

deanpet21 said:
But Spears were used in ancient times as weapons from all cultures. Im with this team no matter what happens.

i get what you are saying but they are leaning to no native american ties and they feel the spear might be a tie

skinsdad62 · Jul 10, 2020

Breed said:
No he didn't.

McGirt v. Oklahoma

The Supreme Court is no stranger of Indian law cases. It hears them regularly. However, McGirt is probably the most important federal case since Cobell v. Salazar, which was filed in 1996, never reached he Supreme Court, and was settled with the Obama administration in 2009. And McGirt is probably the most important Native lands case in at least half a century.

But first things first. The real importance of this case has nothing to do with the plaintiff Jimcy McGirt, who was sentenced to 1000 (yes, a thousand) years for raping a four year old. The case was not about his guilt, which was not disputed. He has already served twenty years and this decision won’t free him, although he might get a new trial in federal court, for all the good that will do him.

To settle this case then, courts were not reconsidering his guilt, which they accepted. Rather, they were determining whether or not his crimes took place in Indian Country, the U.S. legal for lands under tribal authority. And the quest to answer that question opened up the long history of what is sometimes politely termed “Native dispossession.” A more accurate description is a centuries-long process of European and U.S. colonial land theft.

McGirt wasn't the only criminal though

Most Americans have only a hazy understanding of the process. But in what is currently the United States, it began in the early 17th century and continued in earnest until the mid-20th century. In some ways it has not ended, but the bulk of it occured during those roughly 350 years.

One of the more infamous incidents of such theft is commonly called The Trail of Tears, or Nunna daul isunyi in the Cherokee language. This refers to the ethnic cleansing of five large Native nations (Cherokees, Chickasaws, Choctaws, Seminoles, and Muscogees [or Creeks in English]) from the South during the 1830s and 40s. It was just one of many such actions, but it’s the one that’s likeliest to pop up in a HS textbook. It’s also at the heart of McGirt.

These five nations (and eventually many others) were forced to move to present day Oklahoma, which back then was called Indian Territory. Upon moving there, the United States acknowledged their governments and new state boundaries.

yep you are right about him not being set free

countryroads316 · Jul 10, 2020

countryroads316 said:
Washington Redwolves - fight song

Hail to the Redwolves
Hail Victory
Wolves on the Warpath
Fighting for Dominancy

Anyone? lol

I just made this up I'm bored

I guess you could change Dominancy with Supremacy also but there are probably going to be butt hurt people over it

countryroads316 · Jul 10, 2020

Hail to the Redwolves
Hail Victory
Wolves on the Warpath
Fighting for Dominancy
Run or pass and score—We want a lot more!
Rough'em up, Tear 'em up
Touchdown! -- Let the points roar!
Fight on, fight on 'Til you have won
Pride of Washington. Rah!, Rah!, Rah!
Hail to the Redwolves
Hail Victory
Wolves on the Warpath
Fighting for Dominancy

Buffalo_Nickel_1 · Jul 10, 2020

Wolves name suck Warriors or the Spurriers

Ruzious · Jul 10, 2020

countryroads316 said:
I guess you could change Dominancy with Supremacy also but there are probably going to be butt hurt people over it

Both have too many syllabillables and sound awkward.

countryroads316 · Jul 10, 2020

Ruzious said:
Both have too many syllabillables and sound awkward.

what about - Superiority

countryroads316 · Jul 10, 2020

Hail to the Redwolves
Hail Victory
Wolves on the Warpath
Fighting for Superiority
Run or pass and score—We want a lot more!
Rough'em up, Tear 'em up
Touchdown! -- Let the points roar!
Fight on, fight on 'Til you have won
Pride of Washington. Rah!, Rah!, Rah!
Hail to the Redwolves
Hail Victory
Wolves on the Warpath
Fighting for Superiority

Breed · Jul 10, 2020

Ruzious said:
Wow, I heard nothing about that until just now seeing your post - even though I have been paying attention to the news.

Neither had I. I was just fortunate enough to catch an announcement about it. Headed to the search engine and bam. You'd think the SC deciding on who ends up with ownership of half a state would be of pretty big interest. If not to the average citizen than at least to a 24/7 news cable show. Not really though it appears.

Breed · Jul 10, 2020

coach_spurrier_1 said:
Wolves name suck Warriors or the Spurriers

The Spurriers eh. I laughed.

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