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Just a quick backtrack to judging Cam by his no Super Bowls wins, and just how many other QB's don't have one..I thought, wth, I'll take a deeper look.

Firstly, let's get rid of anyone who hasn't been in the league at least 5 seasons, I mean honestly, its unrealistic to judge a QB as a total winner or not when hes still getting his feet wet on his rookie contract. And let's eliminate everyone who isnt expected to be thier team's starter. That leaves us with 13-14 QB's..the 14th being wether you assume Foles is the Bears starter or not. This gives us a much better apples to apples comparison group. I don't think its quite fair to bunch Tua, Burrows, Murray, Daniels..etc..into the same group as Cam and just say "well 25 other QB's haven't one one either", when almost 20 of them really aren't expected to be in that position yet, and Cam has ten years of opportunities over them.


Matt Ryan, lost SB
Brady, won SB
A. Rodgers, won a SB
RW, won a SB
Cousins, no SB's
Brees, won SB
Stafford, no SB
Trannyhill, no SB
Bridgewater, no SB
Big Ben, won SB
Tyrod, no SB
Rivers, no SB,
Cam, lost SB
Foles, won SB
So out of 14 starting caliber QB's, who've been in the league long enough to realistically expect them to have won one, 6 have. Of the other 8, I think its a fair assessment to say that only Ryan, Rivers, and Cam, MAYBE Stafford, could be viewed through an unbiased lenses as "winners". And Rivers has the same issues that Cam does.

So yes, I think its very fair to call out Cam as to wether or not he's won anything. Most of his "winning" contemporaries have.

It's probably worth pointing out that looking at QBs as 'winners' or 'not winners' is silly in the first place.

Let's worry about good QBs vs not good QBs. There are way too many other factors involved in being a 'winner'. I mean is anybody really gonna argue for dilfer over Marino?
 

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It's probably worth pointing out that looking at QBs as 'winners' or 'not winners' is silly in the first place.

Let's worry about good QBs vs not good QBs. There are way too many other factors involved in being a 'winner'. I mean is anybody really gonna argue for dilfer over Marino?
Thats all fair, and good points. I also don't think Cam is "good" either, exciting yes, a unique talent, yes, someone that could on occasion make plays that make you go "WOW", yes. A good QB? Not even. Johnny Football was all those things too.
I find my personal gauge of " good" QB-ing to be the old standby.."if you have to win one game, Superbowl, the playoffs, the last game of the season to get into the playoffs..anything like that, who would you take?". To me thats taking all the stuff into consideration, his physical ability, the way he can lead a team, the way he can manage drives, read defenses, make adjustments, get more out of those around him..all that stuff.

And if the guy isnt one of the first ten names that comes to mind, he can pretty much bugger off IMHO. And there are at minimum 15 names that I want to play that one must win game over Cam.

If I need a QB sneak to win a game on the last play, then maybe Cam is one of the top 3-4 names I think of, but thats about it.
 

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Looked at Cam's stats and was a little surprised. He was fairly consistent.

The last 8 full seasons compared to Brady (which of course, might be unfair).

Cam = 124 games
Brady = 125 games

Cam = 298 TD (passing + rushing) or 2.4 per game
Brady = 277 TD (passing + rushing) or 2.2 oer game

Cam = 33,277 total yards (passing + rushing) or 268.3 per game
Brady = 34,913 total yards (passing + rushing) or 279.3 per game

Cam = 107 interceptions or .9 per game
Brady = 64 interceptions or .5 per game

Cam = 285 sacks or 2.3 per game
Brady = 224 sacks or 1.8 per game

Cam = 53 fumbles or .4 per game
Brady = 44 fumbles or .3 per game
 

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Looked at Cam's stats and was a little surprised. He was fairly consistent.

The last 8 full seasons compared to Brady (which of course, might be unfair).

Cam = 124 games
Brady = 125 games

Cam = 298 TD (passing + rushing) or 2.4 per game
Brady = 277 TD (passing + rushing) or 2.2 oer game

Cam = 33,277 total yards (passing + rushing) or 268.3 per game
Brady = 34,913 total yards (passing + rushing) or 279.3 per game

Cam = 107 interceptions or .9 per game
Brady = 64 interceptions or .5 per game

Cam = 285 sacks or 2.3 per game
Brady = 224 sacks or 1.8 per game

Cam = 53 fumbles or .4 per game
Brady = 44 fumbles or .3 per game
Now do the last two...

Cam is D-U-N dun.
 

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Looked at Cam's stats and was a little surprised. He was fairly consistent.

The last 8 full seasons compared to Brady (which of course, might be unfair).
Hey, if you wanna be considered a "great QB", or a " winner", or a "leader", what better measuring stick. The fact that Brady's eight years at ages 34-42(ish) compare so favorably to a 22-29(ish) Cam should more than " even out" the fact that he's the GOAT, and Cam isn't
 

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Forgot one:

Cam = injury report (back 2019)
Brady = injury report shoulder (2019, 2018, 2017, 2016, 2015, 2014, 2013, 2012)
 

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I heard a story not long ago that one reason the Patriots were willing to let Drew Bledsoe go in favor of Tom Brady was because Drew had a tendency to ad-lib plays and not run the play that was sent into the huddle.
As the story goes, this did not sit well with Hoodie.
I can see Cam pushing those limits, ad-libbing plays.
Cam may be Clark Kent, but Hoodie is Jor-El.
 

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Love how anytime theres an AB rumor, like five minutes later theres a dozen different people saying "NOOOO!!"
 

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Wow...well, now the 'Boys have no excuses. The market is set, 45 mill a year for the best, and work your way down
 

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Will professional ballplayers never learn to not share their opinions virally? Just shut up, already.

DeSean Jackson posted anti-Semitic messages on his Instagram story on Monday evening.

Jackson later claimed he has no hatred toward the Jewish community after he shared a quote he attributed to Adolf Hitler, saying "[white Jews] will blackmail America" and "[They] will extort America, their plan for world domination won't work if the Negroes know who they were." He also shared two posts expressing admiration for Louis Farrakhan, later claiming they were taken "the wrong way." There was no right way to take them. The team is expected to publicly address the issue Tuesday afternoon.
 

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Anyone else see the blurb about R. Mostert requesting a trade?
Last I heard they were talking extension for him, now this. Did they not budge on paying him a little extra and now he is giving them the finger? Might be nothing, might turn into something.
 

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Anyone else see the blurb about R. Mostert requesting a trade?
Last I heard they were talking extension for him, now this. Did they not budge on paying him a little extra and now he is giving them the finger? Might be nothing, might turn into something.

Mostert agent to SF front office: Have you seen how high his fantasy ADP has risen this off season?!?!? You need to pay this man!
 

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Anyone else see the blurb about R. Mostert requesting a trade?
Last I heard they were talking extension for him, now this. Did they not budge on paying him a little extra and now he is giving them the finger? Might be nothing, might turn into something.
Nope nothing.
 

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Raheem Mostert requested a trade from the 49ers.
It's one of the only leverage points he has over the 49ers right now as he looks to increase his salary up from $3 million. Mostert was the most efficient back in San Francisco last season and ultimately took over playoff games during the 49ers' Super Bowl run. His agent, Brett Tessler, notes that Mostert's contract was negotiated when he was just a core special teamer, not when he was entrenched as the 49ers' Week 1 projected starter. A trade is possible, but it would make sense for both parties to reach an agreement on a slight pay bump before the season begins. Mostert is only seeking Tevin Coleman money ($4.5M). It seems helpful to be a running back in Kyle Shanahan's scheme, but what do we know. If Mostert is ultimately traded, Coleman's average draft position (RB43) would be a complete smash for fantasy football. It's also worth noting Jerick McKinnon (ACL) has yet to resume cutting.
 

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Raheem Mostert requested a trade from the 49ers.
It's one of the only leverage points he has over the 49ers right now as he looks to increase his salary up from $3 million. Mostert was the most efficient back in San Francisco last season and ultimately took over playoff games during the 49ers' Super Bowl run. His agent, Brett Tessler, notes that Mostert's contract was negotiated when he was just a core special teamer, not when he was entrenched as the 49ers' Week 1 projected starter. A trade is possible, but it would make sense for both parties to reach an agreement on a slight pay bump before the season begins. Mostert is only seeking Tevin Coleman money ($4.5M). It seems helpful to be a running back in Kyle Shanahan's scheme, but what do we know. If Mostert is ultimately traded, Coleman's average draft position (RB43) would be a complete smash for fantasy football. It's also worth noting Jerick McKinnon (ACL) has yet to resume cutting.
Bad thing about that Shanny system...virtually any "one cut and go" style RB can succeed in the system (Mostert himself being a supreme example), so they don't really NEED to pay anyone. You want more? C-ya later!!

The good thing? If you do well enough, some other dumbass team might be willing to overpay you to come on board as a free agent.
 

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Bad thing about that Shanny system...virtually any "one cut and go" style RB can succeed in the system (Mostert himself being a supreme example), so they don't really NEED to pay anyone. You want more? C-ya later!!

The good thing? If you do well enough, some other dumbass team might be willing to overpay you to come on board as a free agent.

He's looking for Coleman money. After the way he played last year, that's not unfair. And what other RB has succeeded in the system? Breida? Then why did they trade him?
 
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