Where does this years NFC South rank for all time best QB divisions?

rmilia1 · Jul 3, 2020

3 of the top 10 all time in yards

3 of the top 11 all time in TDs

3 of the top 15 all time in wins

Multiple SB winners

Multiple MVP winners

7 SB rings
11 SB appearances

2 of the top 5 all time in playoff QB rating

All 4 starters have made Pro Bowls

2 lock HoFers with a 3rd having a goof shot

Where would you rank this years South for best QB divisions all time?

What are some other divisions you think are better or similar?

megalodon30 · Jul 3, 2020

rmilia1 said:
2 lock HoFers with a 3rd having a goof shot

Who's the other one that has a good shot? Unless Ryan can win a SB, that ship has sailed and Bridgewater won't unless he can win a couple. He won't have enough time to put out big enough numbers to get him in the Hall without rings.

If we're going by year, this division may not even be top 20 all-time. If going by overall resume, it's pretty good though. But just going for a single season, you've got over-the-hill Brady, Ryan and Brees are at the hill, and Bridgewater is above average. It's definitely 4 good QBs in the division, but unless Brady finds the fountain of youth, the statistical output probably won't be any better than most of the other divisions in the league this year.

ericd7633 · Jul 3, 2020

1993 AFC West had Montana, Elway, Hostetter and Humphries as starters.

7 SB's(more if you include being a backup)
12 SB appearances.

Obviously don't have the stats given era, but I'd rank Brady #1 then Montana/Elway next. Then Ryan. Then Hostetter/Humphries ahead of Bridgewater. Hell I'd even take Trent Green over Bridgewater(who was the SD backup).

rmilia1 · Jul 3, 2020

megalodon30 said:
Who's the other one that has a good shot? Unless Ryan can win a SB, that ship has sailed and Bridgewater won't unless he can win a couple. He won't have enough time to put out big enough numbers to get him in the Hall without rings.

If we're going by year, this division may not even be top 20 all-time. If going by overall resume, it's pretty good though. But just going for a single season, you've got over-the-hill Brady, Ryan and Brees are at the hill, and Bridgewater is above average. It's definitely 4 good QBs in the division, but unless Brady finds the fountain of youth, the statistical output probably won't be any better than most of the other divisions in the league this year.

Yeah im talking all time

I wont derail with my opinion on Ryans HoF likelihood vs the many other QBs in the Hall without a ring. Ill just say i respect that you disagree

rmilia1 · Jul 3, 2020

ericd7633 said:
1993 AFC West had Montana, Elway, Hostetter and Humphries as starters.

7 SB's(more if you include being a backup)
12 SB appearances.

Obviously don't have the stats given era, but I'd rank Brady #1 then Montana/Elway next. Then Ryan. Then Hostetter/Humphries ahead of Bridgewater. Hell I'd even take Trent Green over Bridgewater(who was the SD backup).

Very good one!

Southieinnc · Jul 4, 2020

I think NFCS has got the market cornered in "used to be's"

jarntt · Jul 4, 2020

I don't know why you are trying to stick Ryan in there as part of the argument to make them all time great division. He just doesn't fit. Two all time greats, yes, but both somewhat over the hill. A 3rd guy who never lived up to his potential but is having a pretty good career. A 4th guy who is a dime a dozen journeyman. Not sure that makes them anywhere near an all time great QB division.

rmilia1 · Jul 4, 2020

jarntt said:
I don't know why you are trying to stick Ryan in there as part of the argument to make them all time great division. He just doesn't fit. Two all time greats, yes, but both somewhat over the hill. A 3rd guy who never lived up to his potential but is having a pretty good career. A 4th guy who is a dime a dozen journeyman. Not sure that makes them anywhere near an all time great QB division.

Do you have other divisions with comparable of better resumes?

Whether you like Ryan or not he is top 10-15 all time in every stat used to grade QBs careers, is the top ranked active QB for playoff rating and has a MVP. Thats a big deal for a divisions 3rd best QB career wise especially when you consider hes probably got 4-5 years left and where he will likely end up in all those categories ( top 5ish all time )

Dr. Strangelove · Jul 4, 2020

Early 90's AFCE had Dan Marino, Jim Kelly, (arguably both at that stage beat out the current version of Brady and Brees), Jeff George, Ken O'Brien and whatever New England threw out there. I think in 91 they had 3 of them selected to the Pro bowl. I would say Ryan is a little better than both George and O'Brien on an individual basis but those 2 combined are probably better than Ryan and Bridgewater combined.

RememberTheKoy · Jul 4, 2020

Not as good but some other divisions that had good QBs, not all at their peak powers though.

2009-2010 NFC North

Favre
Rodgers
Stafford
Cutler

2010 NFC East
Vick
Manning
McNabb
Romo

rmilia1 · Jul 5, 2020

Dr. Strangelove said:
Early 90's AFCE had Dan Marino, Jim Kelly, (arguably both at that stage beat out the current version of Brady and Brees), Jeff George, Ken O'Brien and whatever New England threw out there. I think in 91 they had 3 of them selected to the Pro bowl. I would say Ryan is a little better than both George and O'Brien on an individual basis but those 2 combined are probably better than Ryan and Bridgewater combined.

Matt Ryan is exponentially better than George and Obrien. Stats aside as the eras were different George and Obrien combined have 13 less wins and 57 more losses than Ryan ( 109-80 to 96-137) but i did think about Marino and Kelly although 7 rings to 0 probably trumps that as im speaking to overall career accolades not necessarily how good guys are currently. I will say i think people are WAY too down on Brees currently. Hes still very much elite

Schmoopy1000 · Jul 5, 2020

Dr. Strangelove said:
Early 90's AFCE had Dan Marino, Jim Kelly, (arguably both at that stage beat out the current version of Brady and Brees), Jeff George, Ken O'Brien and whatever New England threw out there. I think in 91 they had 3 of them selected to the Pro bowl. I would say Ryan is a little better than both George and O'Brien on an individual basis but those 2 combined are probably better than Ryan and Bridgewater combined.

Marino & Kelly is a very strong case.

jarntt · Jul 5, 2020

rmilia1 said:
Do you have other divisions with comparable of better resumes?

Whether you like Ryan or not he is top 10-15 all time in every stat used to grade QBs careers, is the top ranked active QB for playoff rating and has a MVP. Thats a big deal for a divisions 3rd best QB career wise especially when you consider hes probably got 4-5 years left and where he will likely end up in all those categories ( top 5ish all time )

Come on, you can't use stats from this era and pretend it is a way to compare QBs from years ago. Ryan is decent, that's it. Brady and Brees are great and sure HOFers but they are old. The 2020 NFCS doesn't have Brady and Brees in their prime. The division probably doesn't even have one top 5 QB in its own era so I can't put it up as an All Time great. The names are there, but don't you take into account the level of play? Or are you just using the names?

jarntt · Jul 5, 2020

If you just want to use names and not worry about being in their prime weren't Elway and Montana in the same division when Montana was with the Chiefs? Also Marino and Kelly played together in a division.

ericd7633 · Jul 5, 2020

jarntt said:
If you just want to use names and not worry about being in their prime weren't Elway and Montana in the same division when Montana was with the Chiefs? Also Marino and Kelly played together in a division.

Montana, Elway, Hostetler and Humphries were starters in one division. Montana was at the tail end of his career like Brady/Brees are though. But on accomplishment, I'd probably take that foursome over the current foursome in the NFCS. All got to a SB, 3/4 won a SB. Also, Trent Green had a very good career and was a backup to Humphries.

Across The Field · Jul 5, 2020

jarntt said:
I don't know why you are trying to stick Ryan in there as part of the argument to make them all time great division. He just doesn't fit. Two all time greats, yes, but both somewhat over the hill. A 3rd guy who never lived up to his potential but is having a pretty good career. A 4th guy who is a dime a dozen journeyman. Not sure that makes them anywhere near an all time great QB division.

You're saying Matt Ryan never lived up to his potential?

rmilia1 · Jul 5, 2020

jarntt said:
Come on, you can't use stats from this era and pretend it is a way to compare QBs from years ago. Ryan is decent, that's it. Brady and Brees are great and sure HOFers but they are old. The 2020 NFCS doesn't have Brady and Brees in their prime. The division probably doesn't even have one top 5 QB in its own era so I can't put it up as an All Time great. The names are there, but don't you take into account the level of play? Or are you just using the names?

Regardless of stats hes still 14th in wins all time and has an MVP right? Would you say thats better than most divisions 3rd best QB historically?

rmilia1 · Jul 5, 2020

ericd7633 said:
Montana, Elway, Hostetler and Humphries were starters in one division. Montana was at the tail end of his career like Brady/Brees are though. But on accomplishment, I'd probably take that foursome over the current foursome in the NFCS. All got to a SB, 3/4 won a SB. Also, Trent Green had a very good career and was a backup to Humphries.

Thats the onl.y one so far i think is a good call. If Cam were still in Carolina id give the South the edge but with Bridgewater its far closer

ericd7633 · Jul 5, 2020

rmilia1 said:
Thats the onl.y one so far i think is a good call. If Cam were still in Carolina id give the South the edge but with Bridgewater its far closer

Yeah I would agree with that. If Cam/Ryan is you're 3rd/4th best QB in the division you have an all-time QB division. Bridgewater really brings down the group because he doesn't have much on his resume, although that's mostly due to injury. I think he's a talented QB. He's still only 27 so he could have a lot of years ahead of he's healthy. Maybe he puts up a 2nd half career like Trent Green did to compare the divisions.

ericd7633 · Jul 5, 2020

rmilia1 said:
Thats the onl.y one so far i think is a good call. If Cam were still in Carolina id give the South the edge but with Bridgewater its far closer

Also, you know what's interesting is that had the Falcons beat the Pats, Ryan would have a SB, Brady would have one less, meaning the division count would be the same, but Ryan would be looked at in a whole different light. Would even strengthen the case for the NFCS.

Where does this years NFC South rank for all time best QB divisions?

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