The John Stockton Thread

Ok, so you're saying that if you take the top 82 games through his first 2 years, then 61 of them are in the 2nd year.

If you take the top 82 games through his first 3 years, then 33 of them are in his 3rd year. How many are in his 2nd and first?

nuraman00 said:

Ok, so you're saying that if you take the top 82 games through his first 2 years, then 61 of them are in the 2nd year.

If you take the top 82 games through his first 3 years, then 33 of them are in his 3rd year. How many are in his 2nd and first?

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Well, in his first season, all 82 would be in his top 82. So that’s why I did not include that year.

If 33 are from his third year, 49 are from the first two years, but it’s too much work to break it down between the two years. I’m looking for the replacement games.

I'm glad this article talks about his defense.

‘Last Dance’ Takeaways: John Stockton Was Better Than Isiah Thomas, And Would Thrive In Today’s NBA

Thomas should have made it over Laettner. Positions don't matter on Dream Teams.

But, if taking into account team chemistry, I can see why Bird and Jordan and Johnson didn't want Thomas.

nuraman00 said:

I'm glad this article talks about his defense.

‘Last Dance’ Takeaways: John Stockton Was Better Than Isiah Thomas, And Would Thrive In Today’s NBA

Thomas should have made it over Laettner. Positions don't matter on Dream Teams.

But, if taking into account team chemistry, I can see why Bird and Jordan and Johnson didn't want Thomas.

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Evidence that Fuck Jackson had no idea what he was talking about when he dismissed Stockton’s shooting ability.

MHSL82 said:

Evidence that Fuck Jackson had no idea what he was talking about when he dismissed Stockton’s shooting ability.

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Voice To Text Typo? Since you rarely use profanity.

Also, do you mean Phil or Mark?

All you do is talk about his shooting! I'm here to talk about his defense and steals.

Stay on topic.

nuraman00 said:

Voice To Text Typo? Since you rarely use profanity.

Also, do you mean Phil or Mark?

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Not a typo, not about Phil.

When did he dismiss Stockton's shooting?

MHSL82 said:

Gary Payton says John Stockton was harder to guard than Michael Jordan - CBSSports.com

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Listening to an interview with Payton right now.

Tom Tolbert: Was there anyone that you couldn't get to, with your trash talking?

Answer: There was only one guy like that. John Stockton. Even though we're like two peas in a pod now, he was the only guy I could never get to.

At the end of the game, you'd look, he'd have 15-16 assists, 5-6 rebounds, and be a pest on defense all night long.

He'd draw 2 offensive charges on you.

Tolbert: I thought he was a little dirty, but I respected him. He never flopped. He never complained.

If you set a hard screen on him, he wouldn't flinch or look to the referee for calls. He'd just keep playing.

I liked that.

You know where I think he got that from? Jerry Sloan.

nuraman00 said:

When did he dismiss Stockton's shooting?

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Mark Jackson doesn't know what he's talking about.

Utah Jazz: Golden State coach Mark Jackson causes stir with comments about John Stockton | Deseret News

SALT LAKE CITY — Mark Jackson rankled some Utah Jazz fans on Monday when word started to spread on Twitter about a backhanded compliment he gave John Stockton.

NBA.com writer David Aldridge explored some of the all-time best backcourt combos to evaluate whether or not Golden State's coach was correct in calling Splash Brothers Steph Curry and Klay
Thompson “the best-shooting backcourt tandem in the history of the game.”

Aldridge listed multiple top-tier shooting backcourts: Portland’s Clyde Drexler and Terry Porter; Mo Cheeks and Andrew Toney of the Sixers; Oscar Robertson and Jon McGlocklin of the Royals/Bucks; Vern Fleming and Reggie Miller of the Pacers; Mark Price and Craig Ehlo of the Cavs; Jerry West and Gail Goodrich of the Lakers; and, of course, Stockton and Jeff Hornacek of the Jazz.

The case for and against those duos was made in the interesting article, but Jackson, a teammate of Stockton's in 2002-03, insisted it’s a moot point.

"Whatever you want to rank 'shooting,' my two guys are the greatest shooting, jump-shooting tandem, that this league has ever seen," Jackson told NBA.com. "And that's not even close. And I'm not guessing. I've watched all the greats, and it's with all due respect."

Turns out, Jackson had more respect for Hornacek’s shooting than Stockton’s.

"Hornacek -- great shooter. John Stockton -- good to very good shooter. Not a great shooter,” Jackson said. “Don't get me wrong. He was an all-time great player. But John Stockton would not be considered a great shooter."

Here’s how the four players stack up in some basic shooting statistics:

Thompson (three years): 43.6 percent from the field; 40.9 percent from 3-point range; 83.1 percent on free throws.

Curry (five years): 46.2 percent from the field; 44.0 percent from 3-point range; 89.5 percent on free throws.

Stockton (19 years): 51.5 percent from the field; 38.4 percent from 3-point range; 82.6 percent on free throws.

Hornacek (14 years): 49.6 percent from the field; 40.3 percent from 3-point range; 87.7 percent on free throws.

Just for fun comparison’s sake, check out the effective field goal percentage from basketball-reference.com:

Stockton, Jackson’s version of a “good to very good shooter,” had a stellar eFG percentage of .546 over nearly two decades. Incidentally, that is the same mark the sweet-shooting Curry has had since entering the league in 2010.

Hornacek tallied a .530 eFG percentage compared to .523 for Thompson in his third year.
“Steph can pull up off the dribble, in traffic. They're two of the better guys we've seen at those positions,” Hornacek recently told Aldridge. “But John and I could shoot it a little, too.”

Yes, but in post # 368, I thought you said Phil Jackson dismissed Stockton's shooting.

MHSL82 said:

Evidence that Fuck Jackson had no idea what he was talking about when he dismissed Stockton’s shooting ability.

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nuraman00 said:

Voice To Text Typo? Since you rarely use profanity.

Also, do you mean Phil or Mark?

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MHSL82 said:

Not a typo, not about Phil.

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Ok, here's how I've been interpreting your post.

"I did not make a typo, and I would not make a typo about Phil".

As in, you've very careful in what you say, so there's no confusing Phil and Mark, you wouldn't make that mistake.

But, maybe you mean this?

"I did not make a typo. The 'Fuck Jackson' was not about Phil, it was about Mark".

This reminds me of "The people are revolting".

Does that sentence mean that the people are uprising and have unrest?

Or does it mean that the people are cold, ugly, and disgusting?

[QUOTE="nuraman00, post: 14908812, member: 3379]"I did not make a typo. The 'Fuck Jackson' was not about Phil, it was about Mark".[/QUOTE]

This.

nuraman00 said:

This reminds me of "The people are revolting".

Does that sentence mean that the people are uprising and have unrest?

Or does it mean that the people are cold, ugly, and disgusting?

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Help Uncle Jack off the horse.

Help your Uncle jack off a horse.

MHSL82 said:

Help Uncle Jack off the horse.

Help your Uncle jack off a horse.

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Farms might pay for that.

So would certain niche internet sites.

This also reminds me of when I was in high school, someone I know went to some biology class event off-site. The event had to do with having humans help inseminate cows. Or maybe that was one part of it, but that's the only part I remember from when he described the event.

I don't remember why this person got invited to that event. It wasn't a whole class thing, it was something he and maybe a few select others got invited to.