CBS Sports ranking all P5 coaches

We Are Decent said:

Hahahahaha...No.

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Gotta be good. Why else would they pay them that much?

While I am being a sarcastic smart ass, if pay were reflective of performance, there would be huge gaps between Saban, Dabo and the rest. From what I've seen lately, the gap ain't that big with some of them.

Some of them have even been known to pay a up and coming hot shot coach a shit pot full when they haven't every won a conference championship at a P5 level or even below.

It might be fun to have a thread to argue about who is the most overpaid coach.

We Are Decent said:

Huh? He got within 5 points in 2014. In 2016+2018 were clear mismatches, PSU was playing Michigan when they were Top 5 back then. This time Penn State isn't predicted to be worse nor is Michigan predicted to be a great Top 5 team again.

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My apologies, Franklin is still 2-4 vs UM with 2 bad blowouts and a home loss. PSU won the B1G the year one of those “mismatches” happened. Still I can’t see PSU winning in the Big House this year. Yes your defense will be good but your offense is a big unknown. Nor can I see PSU having any upper hand in the future. Harbaugh has done very well at home against ranked teams not named Ohio state.

ralphiewvu said:

My apologies, Franklin is still 2-4 vs UM with 2 bad blowouts and a home loss.

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One blowout with injury riddled team and the home loss was sanction years. Close but no cigar.

ralphiewvu said:

PSU won the B1G the year one of those “mismatches” happened.

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Early 2016 PSU is not the same as they were when they won that conference. Once again...nice try.

ralphiewvu said:

Yes your defense will be good but your offense is a big unknown.

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Penn State has one of the best RB corps in the country with a decent QB leading them, one of the best TE in the country, and good OL returning. Only unknown are the WR corps.

ralphiewvu said:

Nor can I see PSU having any upper hand in the future. Harbaugh has done very well at home against ranked teams not named Ohio state.

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He does do well, I never said it's going to be a push over, but last year was really the only time they were evenly matched & Franklin won that. Penn State simply has the better program over these last four years and in the next four years I still see it that way

We Are Decent said:

One blowout with injury riddled team and the home loss was sanction years. Close but no cigar.

Early 2016 PSU is not the same as they were when they won that conference. Once again...nice try.

Penn State has one of the best RB corps in the country with a decent QB leading them, one of the best TE in the country, and good OL returning. Only unknown are the WR corps.

He does do well, I never said it's going to be a push over, but last year was really the only time they were evenly matched & Franklin won that. Penn State simply has the better program over these last four years and in the next four years I still see it that way

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You lost to a 5-7 team his first year. I’m not close, I nailed it.

Two different teams no doubt. But ya still lost by 39 and still won the B1G. You don’t get to cry foul that ya had to see a top 5 team. Again, I nailed it.

Your offense wasn’t good last year. Your defense was. It’s still an unknown.

2014 they were evenly matched and Brady Hoke (lol) won that.

You stated Franklin will own Harbaugh for the foreseeable future. Now you're Backtracking. An you wonder why I give PSU fans so much shit on here.

ralphiewvu said:

You lost to a 5-7 team his first year. I’m not close, I nailed it.

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Any anti-feats from sanction years are negated, sorry.

ralphiewvu said:

Two different teams no doubt. But ya still lost by 39 and still won the B1G. You don’t get to cry foul that ya had to see a top 5 team. Again, I nailed it.

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No you didn't. Anti-feats where you ignore context are negated.

ralphiewvu said:

Your offense wasn’t good last year. Your defense was. It’s still an unknown.

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Nope. Offense was good last year, and we aren't an unknown.

ralphiewvu said:

2014 they were evenly matched and Brady Hoke (lol) won that.

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Once again anti-feats from sanction years simply don't matter. Nick Saban as his first year as a Power 5 coach lost to a 4-5-2 Wisconsin, does that mean he's worse than Barry Alvarez? No, he isn't.

ralphiewvu said:

You stated Franklin will own Harbaugh for the foreseeable future. Now you're Backtracking. An you wonder why I give PSU fans so much shit on here.

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I don't take back that statement though, so no I'm not backtracking.

We Are Decent said:

Any anti-feats from sanction years are negated, sorry.

No you didn't. Anti-feats where you ignore context are negated.

Nope. Offense was good last year, and we aren't an unknown.

Once again anti-feats from sanction years simply don't matter. Nick Saban as his first year as a Power 5 coach lost to a 4-5-2 Wisconsin, does that mean he's worse than Barry Alvarez? No, he isn't.

I don't take back that statement though, so no I'm not backtracking.

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No, they’re not.

You’re crying about a mismatch when your team finished #7 in the nation. Your opinion should be negated.

Not really.

Still crying about sanctions? Nick Saban went 1-2 vs Wisconsin. At MSU he was worse then Alvarez. Just as Franklin is worse than Harbaugh.

You tried to start with Franklin would own Harbaugh. Now you are saying it’ll be close. Yeah, you're backtracking.

ralphiewvu said:

No, they’re not.

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Yes, they are. You can whine about it more later.

ralphiewvu said:

You’re crying about a mismatch when your team finished #7 in the nation. Your opinion should be negated.

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That reverse logic failed & didn't make any sense. Either way, 2016 is negated since it was a different attitude at different points

ralphiewvu said:

Not really.

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Prove it instead of whining about it. I already debunked you on this before Ralphie, I'm not afraid to debunk you on this again+on the new subject for the offense outlook next season.

ralphiewvu said:

Still crying about sanctions? Nick Saban went 1-2 vs Wisconsin.

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Franklin has been 2-1 against Michigan ever since they were starting to be ranked again. Tough luck.

ralphiewvu said:

At MSU he was worse then Alvarez.

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OK? From 2015-2016 Franklin was worse than Harbaugh, now it's the opposite, big deal.

ralphiewvu said:

You tried to start with Franklin would own Harbaugh. Now you are saying it’ll be close. Yeah, you're backtracking.

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It's not polite to lie
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This whole "losing records" to OSU/MSU/UM is also bullshit, Penn State is set to dominate Michigan State for a couple or few years now and Franklin is clearly having the edge against Harbaugh in the future. I'm fine with losing to OSU (well not really but you get what I mean) if the games are actually close rather than be dominated like what OSU does to Michigan.
Now Ralphie, tell the jury where I said Franklin would "own" Harbaugh.

We Are Decent said:

Yes, they are. You can whine about it more later.

That reverse logic failed & didn't make any sense. Either way, 2016 is negated since it was a different attitude at different points

Prove it instead of whining about it. I already debunked you on this before Ralphie, I'm not afraid to debunk you on this again+on the new subject for the offense outlook next season.

Franklin has been 2-1 against Michigan ever since they were starting to be ranked again. Tough luck.

OK? From 2015-2016 Franklin was worse than Harbaugh, now it's the opposite, big deal.

It's not polite to lie
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This whole "losing records" to OSU/MSU/UM is also bullshit, Penn State is set to dominate Michigan State for a couple or few years now and Franklin is clearly having the edge against Harbaugh in the future. I'm fine with losing to OSU (well not really but you get what I mean) if the games are actually close rather than be dominated like what OSU does to Michigan.
Now Ralphie, tell the jury where I said Franklin would "own" Harbaugh.

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The only one whining is you we are. That’s it.

Your logic is so far failed it’s not even funny. You are trying to say a year you won the B1G didn’t count because Franklin got raped.

You haven’t debunked anything except propted up an offense that looked decent against shitty opponents.

Franklin is 2-4 vs Michigan. You can cherry pick time frames all you want but Franklin has been massively disappointing at Michigan and has been far from great at home against them.

So please take your head out of your ass and realize there is nothing that points to PSU having the edge over Michigan in the future. But you’re a penn state fan, so you won’t.

ralphiewvu said:

The only one whining is you we are. That’s it.

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Whining about what? I'm just correcting misinformation.

ralphiewvu said:

Your logic is so far failed it’s not even funny.

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What logic? By looking at both coaches on an even playing field?

ralphiewvu said:

You are trying to say a year you won the B1G didn’t count because Franklin got raped.

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Nope. I'm saying 2016 matchup doesn't mean anything since Penn State clearly evolved throughout that year, so early 2016 doesn't reflect as a point of where Harbaugh is above Franklin. There is also the fact that Penn State defeated both Iowa+Ohio State that year, both games were Michigan lost. But yes, go on of how Penn State didn't evolve, interested...

ralphiewvu said:

You haven’t debunked anything except propted up an offense that looked decent against shitty opponents.

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Penn State had a very hard schedule last year, what shitty opponents did they even play? A third of all their games last year were Top 20 opponents and another third were against teams who finished above .500
Face it ralphie, you can't prove that the 2019 offense was bad.

ralphiewvu said:

Franklin is 2-4 vs Michigan.

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2-1 in the past three years is a more accurate depiction of the two programs currently, but go on.

ralphiewvu said:

You can cherry pick time frames all you want

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Irony.

ralphiewvu said:

but Franklin has been massively disappointing at Michigan

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How? Like honestly, tell everyone here how when he's accomplished more than Harbaugh+having the edge against him for the past 3 years.

ralphiewvu said:

So please take your head out of your ass and realize there is nothing that points to PSU having the edge over Michigan in the future. But you’re a penn state fan, so you won’t.

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What's so funny is that you fail to tell me where I'm wrong with that claim. You say my head is in my ass yet you fail to show any evidence or points on your behalf.
Typical Ralphie.

These three jump right off the page to me. How can they possibly be so high?

5 Notre Dame - Brian Kelly
9 Penn State - James Franklin
12 Michigan - Jim Harbaugh

We Are Decent said:

Whining about what? I'm just correcting misinformation.

What logic? By looking at both coaches on an even playing field?

Nope. I'm saying 2016 matchup doesn't mean anything since Penn State clearly evolved throughout that year, so early 2016 doesn't reflect as a point of where Harbaugh is above Franklin. There is also the fact that Penn State defeated both Iowa+Ohio State that year, both games were Michigan lost. But yes, go on of how Penn State didn't evolve, interested...

Penn State had a very hard schedule last year, what shitty opponents did they even play? A third of all their games last year were Top 20 opponents and another third were against teams who finished above .500
Face it ralphie, you can't prove that the 2019 offense was bad.

2-1 in the past three years is a more accurate depiction of the two programs currently, but go on.

Irony.

How? Like honestly, tell everyone here how when he's accomplished more than Harbaugh+having the edge against him for the past 3 years.

What's so funny is that you fail to tell me where I'm wrong with that claim. You say my head is in my ass yet you fail to show any evidence or points on your behalf.
Typical Ralphie.

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You literally are excusing Franklin loses. So not whining, being unreasonable.

Franklin by your measure is still 1-2 on an equal playing field. Congrats.

I’m not saying penn state didn’t evolve, I’m saying you can’t excuse that lose and act like it didn’t count because your team played shitty during that time. PSU loses more than half if they play at Michigan 10 times at any point of that year. An stop acting like it wasn’t the luck of God that PSU beat OSU.

A huge chunk of your stats came against an FCS school with a losing record, a 3-9 B1G team and a MAC. School. Those shitty teams we are. Face it, you are just unable to admit it because you are a blow hard.

Cherry picking stats to fit your agenda is what you are doing.

Overall he does not have the edge over Harbaugh record wise head to head. An he blew more than one game he shouldn’t have like Harbaugh.

I have already explained where you were wrong. You are cherry picking which stats work to fit your idiotic agenda. Simple as that. But of course you can’t understand that because you are a blow hard penn state homer.

ralphiewvu said:

You literally are excusing Franklin loses. So not whining, being unreasonable.

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Do you see me excusing any losses from last year? The year before? Or 2017? Or the Rose Bowl? No, I'm only "excusing" the losses from the era where Penn State was mid-major level while fighting sanctions. Get real dude.

ralphiewvu said:

Franklin by your measure is still 1-2 on an equal playing field. Congrats.

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ralphiewvu said:

I’m not saying penn state didn’t evolve, I’m saying you can’t excuse that lose and act like it didn’t count because your team played shitty during that time

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Great strawman. When I "excuse" the losses I'm doing it to prevent misrepresentation like "wow Franklin is actually a shitty coach compared to this guy"
You're the only one here ignoring context of the situation.

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An stop acting like it wasn’t the luck of God that PSU beat OSU.

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Implying that Ohio State wasn't lucky in those game winning plays in 2017 or 2018. Quit yer whining Ralphie. I know you're jealous of PSU being a West Virginia fan and all, but you gotta realize luck is apart of the game.

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A huge chunk of your stats came against an FCS school with a losing record, a 3-9 B1G team and a MAC.

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And a chunk came from 4 Top 20 opponents lol. PSU plays less FCS opponents than a lot of the other perennial Top 25 opponents, your BS reaching attempts stink Ralphie.

ralphiewvu said:

Cherry picking stats to fit your agenda is what you are doing.

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Prove it.

ralphiewvu said:

Overall he does not have the edge over Harbaugh record wise head to head.

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2-1 past 3 years

ralphiewvu said:

I have already explained where you were wrong. You are cherry picking which stats work to fit your idiotic agenda. Simple as that. But of course you can’t understand that because you are a blow hard penn state homer.

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We Are Decent said:

Do you see me excusing any losses from last year? The year before? Or 2017? Or the Rose Bowl? No, I'm only "excusing" the losses from the era where Penn State was mid-major level while fighting sanctions. Get real dude.

Great strawman. When I "excuse" the losses I'm doing it to prevent misrepresentation like "wow Franklin is actually a shitty coach compared to this guy"
You're the only one here ignoring context of the situation.

Implying that Ohio State wasn't lucky in those game winning plays in 2017 or 2018. Quit yer whining Ralphie. I know you're jealous of PSU being a West Virginia fan and all, but you gotta realize luck is apart of the game.

And a chunk came from 4 Top 20 opponents lol. PSU plays less FCS opponents than a lot of the other perennial Top 25 opponents, your BS reaching attempts stink Ralphie.

Prove it.

2-1 past 3 years

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You don’t get to act like those losses don’t count because you don’t want to. They still do.

You are ignoring all context that doesn’t fit your argument. You can’t just ignoring franklins first few years because PSU was mediocre.

Sure OSU was lucky, just as PSU was. An both those losses were on Franklin and that shitty coaching. PSU deserves to win both and they didn’t.

LOL at the jealousy comment.

A chunk is generous.

Why are you bringing FCS opponents on schedules in this? I’m not criticizing PSU for playing Idaho, I’m criticizing you for proclaiming PSU offense great when a large chunk of their stats came from that game. Jesus, you’re stupid.

You are proving it with your last sentence. It’s not just the last 3 years that count. Try and remember that dumbfuck.

ralphiewvu said:

You don’t get to act like those losses don’t count because you don’t want to. They still do.

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They count if we're talking Overall program record.
They don't count if we're talking Franklin vs Harbaugh on an even playing field.
Context matter Ralphie.

ralphiewvu said:

You are ignoring all context that doesn’t fit your argument. You can’t just ignoring franklins first few years because PSU was mediocre.

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I'm not though, in his first three years at PSU he transformed an average team into national contenders, that feats alone is superior to Harbaugh's career.

ralphiewvu said:

Sure OSU was lucky, just as PSU was. An both those losses were on Franklin and that shitty coaching. PSU deserves to win both and they didn’t.

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So hen PSU wins it's lucky & isn't a feat but when OSU gets lucky, they still get some credit? Huh? Ralphie's hate boner for Penn State continues to grow...

ralphiewvu said:

jealousy

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It's accurate, West Virginia is inferior to Pennsylvania

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A chunk is generous.

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Yes it's a chunk, not sure if you know Ralphie but 4 games out of 12 is a third of your opponents being Top 20...yes a good chunk.

ralphiewvu said:

Why are you bringing FCS opponents on schedules in this? I’m not criticizing PSU for playing Idaho, I’m criticizing you for proclaiming PSU offense great when a large chunk of their stats came from that game. Jesus, you’re stupid.

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"I'm not criticizing Penn State for playing Idaho, I'm criticizing you using stats from a game against Idaho" Not only is the second part untrue but you realize both are the same thing, right? Your license to call anyone stupid has been revoked.
And Ralphie it's still not polite to continue using debunked numbers, I know you desperately want to prove the Penn State Offense is bad but you haven't, you couldn't, and you never will. The only way you're claim is legitimate is if all Power 5 Teams discard their stats from any cupcake team, and then compare each other, but you seem that you want to compare Penn State in 8 games vs everybody else in 12...hilarious.

ralphiewvu said:

You are proving it with your last sentence. It’s not just the last 3 years that count. Try and remember that dumbfuck.

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Nope it's just that the last three years count in the context/situation I'm talking about.

We Are Decent said:

They count if we're talking Overall program record.
They don't count if we're talking Franklin vs Harbaugh on an even playing field.
Context matter Ralphie.

I'm not though, in his first three years at PSU he transformed an average team into national contenders, that feats alone is superior to Harbaugh's career.

So hen PSU wins it's lucky & isn't a feat but when OSU gets lucky, they still get some credit? Huh? Ralphie's hate boner for Penn State continues to grow...

It's accurate, West Virginia is inferior to Pennsylvania

Yes it's a chunk, not sure if you know Ralphie but 4 games out of 12 is a third of your opponents being Top 20...yes a good chunk.

"I'm not criticizing Penn State for playing Idaho, I'm criticizing you using stats from a game against Idaho" Not only is the second part untrue but you realize both are the same thing, right? Your license to call anyone stupid has been revoked.
And Ralphie it's still not polite to continue using debunked numbers, I know you desperately want to prove the Penn State Offense is bad but you haven't, you couldn't, and you never will. The only way you're claim is legitimate is if all Power 5 Teams discard their stats from any cupcake team, and then compare each other, but you seem that you want to compare Penn State in 8 games vs everybody else in 12...hilarious.

Nope it's just that the last three years count in the context/situation I'm talking about.

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They absolutely count. It’s ridiculous you cherry picking because PSU sucked then. The still counted and by large measures Michigan was worse than PSU in 14 yet PSU still lost.

What Franklin did at Penn State is not close to what Harbaugh did at Stanford. Try again.

You are trying to compare a game where PSU was losing the whole game and then needed a block kick return score (and a horrid no call on a pass interference) for luck as a game you lost by 39 points? Stop being ridiculous.

Keep thinking so, it makes you stupid.

Not nearly as much of a chunk as the 3 you got it from.

It’s not the same thing at all, as you stated before “context”. You are banging the PSU drum for an offense getting stats on bad teams. That’s what I’m criticizing you for. Context

I’ve already debunked your claim more than once. You are trying to tell the world PSU offense is great and I simply reminded you much of their stats come off games vs bad teams. Just because you don’t want to believe it doesn’t make it untrue. But again you can’t see it because you have your blue and white head so far up the universities ass nothing but PSU is the best will come out of your mouth.

Again, you are cherry picking stats.

ralphiewvu said:

They absolutely count. It’s ridiculous you cherry picking because PSU sucked then. The still counted and by large measures Michigan was worse than PSU in 14 yet PSU still lost.

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Ralphie thinks that using a nerfed program vs a well-made program is "even playing field"
Never cease to amaze me.
Michigan was also not worse than Penn State in 2014, where do you even get that information from? Their records? Yeah we'd got to that level beating teams like Akron, UCF, & Temple lol.

ralphiewvu said:

What Franklin did at Penn State is not close to what Harbaugh did at Stanford. Try again.

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The amount of delusional hate you have for PSU is fucking hilarious.
First four years comparison:
Franklin: 36-17, a conference championship, made bowl game every year, 2 NY6 Bowl appearances (Rose+Fiesta), finished Top 10 twice, & finished Top 25 recruiting all four years.
Harbaugh: 29-21, no conference championships, missed bowl game for two years, 1 NY6 Bowl appearance (Orange), finished Top 10 once, & finished Top 25 recruiting only two years.
PSU Franklin stomps Stanford Harbaugh, at least you tried Ralphie.

ralphiewvu said:

You are trying to compare a game where PSU was losing the whole game and then needed a block kick return score (and a horrid no call on a pass interference) for luck as a game you lost by 39 points? Stop being ridiculous.

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Apart from the whining that OSU lost fair & square, where does this strawman come from? Why are you comparing the two? I don't believe any comparison was made.

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Keep thinking so, it makes you stupid.

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No it doesn't. I've seen this so many times it's normal. Begone PSU reject, go back to West Virginia

ralphiewvu said:

Not nearly as much of a chunk as the 3 you got it from.

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Huh? What are you even talking about now LMAO

ralphiewvu said:

It’s not the same thing at all, as you stated before “context”. You are banging the PSU drum for an offense getting stats on bad teams. That’s what I’m criticizing you for. Context

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A chunk of any Top 10 teams stats come from bad opponents you dimwit, it's part of the game. Instead of jacking off that hate boner for PSU, get some sunshine will ya? JFC.

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I’ve already debunked your claim more than once.

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No you haven't. Keep crying Ralphie.

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You are trying to tell the world PSU offense is great and I simply reminded you much of their stats come off games vs bad teams

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THey are great & objective, primary evidence agrees with me. They're going to be great again in 2020 with one of the best RB Corps, OL, & TE in the game now. Only question is the passing game really.

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Again, you are cherry picking stats.

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Prove it.

We Are Decent said:

Ralphie thinks that using a nerfed program vs a well-made program is "even playing field"
Never cease to amaze me.
Michigan was also not worse than Penn State in 2014, where do you even get that information from? Their records? Yeah we'd got to that level beating teams like Akron, UCF, & Temple lol.

The amount of delusional hate you have for PSU is fucking hilarious.
First four years comparison:
Franklin: 36-17, a conference championship, made bowl game every year, 2 NY6 Bowl appearances (Rose+Fiesta), finished Top 10 twice, & finished Top 25 recruiting all four years.
Harbaugh: 29-21, no conference championships, missed bowl game for two years, 1 NY6 Bowl appearance (Orange), finished Top 10 once, & finished Top 25 recruiting only two years.
PSU Franklin stomps Stanford Harbaugh, at least you tried Ralphie.

Apart from the whining that OSU lost fair & square, where does this strawman come from? Why are you comparing the two? I don't believe any comparison was made.

No it doesn't. I've seen this so many times it's normal. Begone PSU reject, go back to West Virginia

Huh? What are you even talking about now LMAO

A chunk of any Top 10 teams stats come from bad opponents you dimwit, it's part of the game. Instead of jacking off that hate boner for PSU, get some sunshine will ya? JFC.

No you haven't. Keep crying Ralphie.

THey are great & objective, primary evidence agrees with me. They're going to be great again in 2020 with one of the best RB Corps, OL, & TE in the game now. Only question is the passing game really.

Prove it.

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Michigan went 5-7 and lost to freaking Rutgers. They were absolutely worse then PSU.

PSU is actually my second favorite team. It’s horrid fans like you that I hate. Harbaugh went 29-21 with an absolute horrible team he inherited. Fucking Franklin inherited a down on their luck P5 program with good history. Penn state didn’t have a losing season even with the sanctions since 2004. The last winning season Stanford had was 6 years before Harbaugh. Harbaugh literally took a team from darkness to light. Remember it’s all about “context .” Practice what you preach.

Again stop trying to compare a blocked field goal return win to a 39 point beat down. It’s not hard to understand.

I’m sorry calling you out for being a dumbfuck PSU homer makes you not understand, now stfu or we can keep going dummie.

Except people aren’t here saying their offense was great when a lot of those stats came against bad teams. That’s the difference. Not shocking you don’t understand.

Yes I have, not shocking you don’t understand.

You really need to understand what the word objective means. Now your defense, they are great.

You are doing fine job proving it here.

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Michigan went 5-7 and lost to freaking Rutgers. They were absolutely worse then PSU.

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Clearly they weren't if they defeated Penn State. Ralphie once again exposing holes in his own argument.

ralphiewvu said:

PSU is actually my second favorite team.

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Doubt.

ralphiewvu said:

It’s horrid fans like you that I hate.

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GOD FORBID ME from saying Franklin is better than Harbaugh. Sorry to disrupt your peaceful life up until now.

ralphiewvu said:

Fucking Franklin inherited a down on their luck P5 program with good history. Penn state didn’t have a losing season even with the sanctions since 2004. The last winning season Stanford had was 6 years before Harbaugh. Harbaugh literally took a team from darkness to light. Remember it’s all about “context .” Practice what you preach.

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Holy shit Ralphie, can you be any more ignorant? Do you know how severe scholarship sanctions are? Do you know how severe postseason bans are? Do you know how severe the image of you coaching at a university that molested kids is? This bullshit "down on their luck" excuse you use to cover up your shitty claims is damn near intolerable. Harbaugh had ONE great season at Stanford, then your grinding the shit out of Harbaugh simply because Stanford was poor before him. Hey, screw it, let's use this same situation on Dantonio/Meyer. Dantonio took shitty ol' MSU to become a national contender once while Meyer inherited two perennial programs, so that's the reason why he won a few national championships, not due to his coaching talent but simply luck. Dantonio>Meyer, thanks for once again giving us this great analysis Ralphie. Don't talk about "context" when you're seriously claiming 2012-2015 PSU is the same levels as 2016-Present. Dear god dude, your posts are becoming worse and worse.

ralphiewvu said:

Again stop trying to compare a blocked field goal return win to a 39 point beat down. It’s not hard to understand.

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Strawman.

ralphiewvu said:

I’m sorry calling you out for being a dumbfuck PSU homer makes you not understand, now stfu or we can keep going dummie.

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You really want to go on for days being publicly embarrassed? Sure. Why not?

ralphiewvu said:

Except people aren’t here saying their offense was great when a lot of those stats came against bad teams. That’s the difference. Not shocking you don’t understand.

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You still have yet to prove this. Keep whining Ralphie.

ralphiewvu said:

Yes I have, not shocking you don’t understand.

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No you haven't. Keep crying Ralphie.

ralphiewvu said:

You really need to understand what the word objective means.

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You JUST got lit up on Harbaugh/Stanford vs Franklin/Penn State when it came to objective data...just stop lol.

ralphiewvu said:

You are doing fine job proving it here.

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Your concession is accepted.

We Are Decent said:

Clearly they weren't if they defeated Penn State. Ralphie once again exposing holes in his own argument.

Doubt.

GOD FORBID ME from saying Franklin is better than Harbaugh. Sorry to disrupt your peaceful life up until now.

Holy shit Ralphie, can you be any more ignorant? Do you know how severe scholarship sanctions are? Do you know how severe postseason bans are? Do you know how severe the image of you coaching at a university that molested kids is? This bullshit "down on their luck" excuse you use to cover up your shitty claims is damn near intolerable. Harbaugh had ONE great season at Stanford, then your grinding the shit out of Harbaugh simply because Stanford was poor before him. Hey, screw it, let's use this same situation on Dantonio/Meyer. Dantonio took shitty ol' MSU to become a national contender once while Meyer inherited two perennial programs, so that's the reason why he won a few national championships, not due to his coaching talent but simply luck. Dantonio>Meyer, thanks for once again giving us this great analysis Ralphie. Don't talk about "context" when you're seriously claiming 2012-2015 PSU is the same levels as 2016-Present. Dear god dude, your posts are becoming worse and worse.

Strawman.

You really want to go on for days being publicly embarrassed? Sure. Why not?

You still have yet to prove this. Keep whining Ralphie.

No you haven't. Keep crying Ralphie.

You JUST got lit up on Harbaugh/Stanford vs Franklin/Penn State when it came to objective data...just stop lol.

Your concession is accepted.

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The better team doesn’t always win. I repeat, Michigan went 5-7 in 2014.

They are.

Thank you for admitting you are wrong.

So now you are lying. Not once did I say 2012-2015 PSU was the same as now. Congrats on being a retard and a liar. Let me help you understand this, PSU didn’t have a losing season since 2004 that’s 10 years before Franklin got there. Stanford last winning winning season 6 years before Harbaugh came there. Trying to say Franklin walked into a worse situation is beyond laughable. You are becoming worse and worse.

It’s not, it’s calling you out for your ridiculous comparison.

The only one embarrassing themselves is you. Please, continue.

Yes I have, you just don’t want to believe it. You are a blowhard homer.

Yes I have, keep being a delusional homer.

You have yet to light anything up except the idea that you are an absolute retard. You are clearly losing this argument, bad.

Using your own posts as proof you are cherry picking isn’t conceding anything. Just an FYI

ralphiewvu said:

The better team doesn’t always win. I repeat, Michigan went 5-7 in 2014.

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Nope, any team can beat any other team on any given day. All that matters is the scoreboard.

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They are.

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Doubt.

ralphiewvu said:

Thank you for admitting you are wrong.

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So now you are lying. Not once did I say 2012-2015 PSU was the same as now.

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Then why are you comparing the two on an even playing field as 2016-Present. Interested to hear this.

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Congrats on being a retard and a liar.

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Let me help you understand this, PSU didn’t have a losing season since 2004 that’s 10 years before Franklin got there. Stanford last winning winning season 6 years before Harbaugh came there. Trying to say Franklin walked into a worse situation is beyond laughable. You are becoming worse and worse.

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Not only are you misrepresenting the truth once again, you are denying objective data like W-L records, championships, rankings, etc. just to argue for the sake of arguing against Penn State. Once again, this logic works with Dantonio & Meyer. Simply being good for a brief stint is not better than being perennial. Which is a better feat, defeating the juggernaut once? Or being the juggernaut?
Now tell me how one great season is better than four above .500 seasons, a conference championship, a rose bowl, a fiesta bowl, being top 25 in recruiting consistently, finishing Top 10 twice, etc.
Tell us all Ralphie, tell us how Harbaugh did better at Stanford in just one season then Franklin at Penn State, and give us some data, not subjective feelings.

In fact to destroy you at your own game, let's compare Harbaugh/Stanford vs Franklin/Vanderbilt
Franklin- 24-15 in three years, three bowl games, and finished ranked twice
Harbaugh- 17-20 in three years, one bowl game, and never finished ranked
So who's better now?

ralphiewvu said:

It’s not, it’s calling you out for your ridiculous comparison.

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A comparison I never made, so strawman.

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The only one embarrassing themselves is you. Please, continue.

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Irony.

ralphiewvu said:

Yes I have, you just don’t want to believe it. You are a blowhard homer.

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I just said Franklin had the edge against Harbaugh then you came along. Anything else panties twister?

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Yes I have, keep being a delusional homer.

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Nope, still haven't. Keep crying.

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You have yet to light anything up except the idea that you are an absolute retard. You are clearly losing this argument, bad.

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Nice logic there dude.

ralphiewvu said:

Using your own posts as proof you are cherry picking isn’t conceding anything. Just an FYI

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I just asked for proof, you admitted you didn't have anything, so I assumed you conceded.