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Question on Helmets.

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Get rid of helmets and they'll stop leading withe their domes.
I know it'll never happen but that would stop all those head hunters.
Tell them to try rugby for awhile. Buncha whiners.

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cars are built with crumple zones. (absorbs energy) Which is why you dont see cars built like they were in the 60's (super hard shell so to speak)
Same with auto racing. they use a soft wall that gives so the impact doesnt directly impact (absorbs energy) the driver inside as much. (football it would be the brain inside)
Listen, I'm no expert, but trying to just use common sense leaves me thinking this just wouldn't work.

crumple zones on a hard shell and crumpling requires caving in at certain spots. There is more room for a car to crumple before reaching the occupant. The driver isn't pressed tightly right up against the car wall that will crumple back into his head or body if he was and there is also room for the driver to be pushed away from the part crumpling against him inside the car, while in a helmet the head is unable to move away from the part that is crumpling in due to the other side of the helmet keeping it firmly in place. The helmet will crumple right through the head and not sure what level of impact would be required before the helmet crumples. Either pretty hard or you are switching helmets but that probably isn't an issue. I just don't see how a soft shell just is going to protect your brain. I don't understand that. You aren't only hit with another helmet which in theory would be made softer. A players knee is going to hurt more on a soft helmet. The turf or frozen ground is going to hurt on a soft helmet. The auto racing wall is soft to protect the person hitting it like a baseball wall, not the person the wall is protecting.

You want to make helmets twice as big? Then you can do a lot of what you are referencing I would imagine and I'm sure make them safer. I would think you could then have multiple layers of protective materials of various hardness and maybe even be safer. Also, helmets are a lot lighter than they look. You can't make them significantly heavier without changing the game.
 

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Listen, I'm no expert, but trying to just use common sense leaves me thinking this just wouldn't work.

crumple zones on a hard shell and crumpling requires caving in at certain spots. There is more room for a car to crumple before reaching the occupant. The driver isn't pressed tightly right up against the car wall that will crumple back into his head or body if he was and there is also room for the driver to be pushed away from the part crumpling against him inside the car, while in a helmet the head is unable to move away from the part that is crumpling in due to the other side of the helmet keeping it firmly in place. The helmet will crumple right through the head and not sure what level of impact would be required before the helmet crumples. Either pretty hard or you are switching helmets but that probably isn't an issue. I just don't see how a soft shell just is going to protect your brain. I don't understand that. You aren't only hit with another helmet which in theory would be made softer. A players knee is going to hurt more on a soft helmet. The turf or frozen ground is going to hurt on a soft helmet. The auto racing wall is soft to protect the person hitting it like a baseball wall, not the person the wall is protecting.

You want to make helmets twice as big? Then you can do a lot of what you are referencing I would imagine and I'm sure make them safer. I would think you could then have multiple layers of protective materials of various hardness and maybe even be safer. Also, helmets are a lot lighter than they look. You can't make them significantly heavier without changing the game.
just so you understand where I am coming from. I am not here to argue to argue, more to see peoples thoughts ideas & info (if any are out there) on a soft(er) helmet.
Boxers wear soft head gear to protect from concussions from repeated hits to the head. Yes I know this is different. Concept isnt though.
Any dispitation of energy no matter how minute greatly helps against concussions. Even though to us normal people wouldnt seem to be much if any difference. Anything that helps against the sudden stop of the head (in lamest terms cushion) would help. To be fair to the hard shell this is what I believe they have been researching inside the hard shell. Letting the shell give & absorption inside the shell. Also if a little thicker helmet would help. so be it. Hell maybe even have a thin hard layer in the middle. I am no expert either & just spitballing. the helmet they have now might be the best thing. Honestly dont know but enquiring (questioning)

To me with my limited knowledge. seems like with a hard shell you want your head to be able to move inside the helmet but that would be annoying AF to try & run with. if the part that absorbs impact was on the outside seems would be an easier answer for running.
 

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cars are built with crumple zones. (absorbs energy) Which is why you dont see cars built like they were in the 60's (super hard shell so to speak)
Same with auto racing. they use a soft wall that gives so the impact doesnt directly impact (absorbs energy) the driver inside as much. (football it would be the brain inside)
hence like i talked about the impact foam inside the helmets.....
 

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Soccer players are a bunch of Karen's

Hockey's nothing more than soccer on ice with real violence. :hockeysmile: And the poor Stanley Cup. The things drunk player celebrating have done to it over the decades. For shame.
 

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yeah you have brought a few good points.
the ones i was talking about with the different foams. So the harder high density foams are for the big impacts, once they absorb that big hit, they throw that helmet away, essentially like a "crumple zone". But the soft foams are for more lighter hits and re-useable. Crappy part is both have pros and cons.........the high density stuff affords little protection to run of the mill lighter hits, and the soft stuff obviously blunts things but pales in comparison to the other stuff when theres a big hit.........now right now im speaking to hockey helmets
 

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the ones i was talking about with the different foams. So the harder high density foams are for the big impacts, once they absorb that big hit, they throw that helmet away, essentially like a "crumple zone". But the soft foams are for more lighter hits and re-useable. Crappy part is both have pros and cons.........the high density stuff affords little protection to run of the mill lighter hits, and the soft stuff obviously blunts things but pales in comparison to the other stuff when theres a big hit.........now right now im speaking to hockey helmets
hey do hockey helmets have more protection (absorbtion) to the back of the helmets? for thing like if they slam the back of their heads on the ice?
Or is it pretty much all the same all around the helmet?
 

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hey do hockey helmets have more protection (absorbtion) to the back of the helmets? for thing like if they slam the back of their heads on the ice?
Or is it pretty much all the same all around the helmet?
There are spots with additional protection or designs to offset certain spots... and like on the occiput(bone in the back of your head). Like see how it's built up more all around that spot. So that esstentially is get hit on the back of your head, you don't hit that bony prominent point.... and it kinda dispersed the hit across the back of Your head. Or you can see the bumper like pads on the temples....

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I was a hockey goalie and I used to bicycle a lot. I also skied downhill.

Nope, I want a hardshell helmet with the padding on the inside.
The hard shell deflects a lot of the impact, whereas the padding reduces damage from the concussive part of the blow. I play hockey and am bruised enough with hard shell only on my head, top of my shoulders, elbows and lower legs. Goalies get nothing but respect from me for the amount of punishment they take.
 

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Football helmets have always seemed more weapon than protection to me.


I forget the lineman for the 9ers name. Played back in the 90's. But he wore a soft covering over his helmet, for protection. That always made sense.
Steve Wallace
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I think a 'softer' exterior shell might lead to more neck issues, given it may be more apt to be sticky in a glancing collision.
 

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I think he's the only Niner who won 4 SB's with the Niners as a player who didn't collect a ring from SB XVI.
Interesting. Why is that?
 

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Interesting. Why is that?

Cause every other 49er player who won 4 SB's did so in the first 4. Wallace wasn't a member of the first SB team.
 

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Cause every other 49er player who won 4 SB's did so in the first 4. Wallace wasn't a member of the first SB team.
That certainly makes sense and was rather obvious
Must be feeling extra slow today
 
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