Mahomes or Jackson

Sam Sportboy · May 20, 2020

The Foot said:
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Good man. You?????

The Foot · May 20, 2020

Sam Sportboy said:
Good man. You?????

So far do good.

Shanemansj13 · May 21, 2020

I am question Lamar this upcoming season, we could see a drop off, one hit wonder possibly.
Mahomes is a clear cut #1 guy for me. I have never been "take a QB #1 overall" but I would take Patty #1 and never look back.

Shanemansj13 · May 21, 2020

MilkSpiller22 said:
mahomes is the safer one... but if you want that QB WINS YOU A LEAGUE guy then it will be Jackson... The question is will that season be this season or not...

Chef99 · May 21, 2020

Long term I'll take Mahomes. The next year or two or three or four, I'll take Jackson.

Ojb81 · May 21, 2020

Mahomes or Jackson?? Who do I pick??! Y-you're serious right now? Is this a joke?

Chef99 · May 22, 2020

Ojb81 said:
Mahomes or Jackson?? Who do I pick??! Y-you're serious right now? Is this a joke?

Just to be clear, your pick Is? :pound:

seattlefan75 · May 22, 2020

I will take Mahomes but for everyone calling him super elite I want to see what his roster will look like when he is making 50 million a year and how he manages the talent around him.

SmokingMonkey · May 22, 2020

seattlefan75 said:
I will take Mahomes but for everyone calling him super elite I want to see what his roster will look like when he is making 50 million a year and how he manages the talent around him.

your avatar.......

:pound:

Ojb81 · May 22, 2020

Chef99 said:
Just to be clear, your pick Is?

Mahomes!

tlance · May 23, 2020

Beengay fudgepackers said:
Mahommes. He might not score as much per game, but he is a much better bet to stay healthy. I’ll wait for the later rounds though. QBs like Rodgers, Brady, Brees, Ryan, Rivers, Wilson, and Watson all have the capacity to end the year as the number 1 QB in the league. That’s not even counting wildcard QBs that could explode next year, like Drew Lock or Kyler Murray. QB is just too deep to take someone early at the cost of a starter at RB/WR.

Mahomes had a bad year statistically. He had the injury and he wasn’t playing at peak form when he rushed back from it.

I still rank LJ ahead if Mahomes in redraft, but barely. And Mahomes by a mile in dynasty.

Lamarvelous · May 29, 2020

To everyone harping on the 'injury risk of a running QB', I'll just leave this here...

It’s not entirely scientific, though. Research on NFL quarterback injuries compiled by injury coordinator John Verros at Sports Info Solutions shows the risk of a quarterback being injured on a designed run is remote — only one for every 236 plays.

The risk for a scrambling quarterback is almost equal to the quarterback who is sacked: once every 91.7 plays for the scrambler, once every 92.5 plays for the guy getting sacked.

The most dangerous play category Verros discovered is the knockdown; the quarterback who is taken to the ground while unleashing a pass, as when the Jaguars’ Nick Foles suffered a broken clavicle after being struck while releasing a pass against the Chiefs. That player is hurt once every 67.3 plays.

That being said, I'm still probably taking Mahomes for dynasty, but it's a lot closer than most people are making it seem.

Myles · May 29, 2020

Lamarvelous said:
To everyone harping on the 'injury risk of a running QB', I'll just leave this here...

I think we'd need the numbers for a RB to use for Jackson. He does scramble, but many are running plays.

Lamarvelous · May 29, 2020

Myles said:
I think we'd need the numbers for a RB to use for Jackson. He does scramble, but many are running plays.

Designed runs are included on that as a separate stat.

It's near the top of the article I believe.

tlance · May 29, 2020

Lamarvelous said:
To everyone harping on the 'injury risk of a running QB', I'll just leave this here...

That being said, I'm still probably taking Mahomes for dynasty, but it's a lot closer than most people are making it seem.

No it isn’t though.

Both players will he injured at some point. That is the nature of the sport.

The difference is that Mahomes skill set makes it far more likely that he will still be elite post injury. All it takes is one big hit on a knee and LJ could be just a good runner instead of a great one. And that impacts his ability to make plays in other areas too.

eaglesnut · May 29, 2020

Lamarvelous said:
To everyone harping on the 'injury risk of a running QB', I'll just leave this here...

Scramblers get sacked more.

Someone did something fishy with those numbers by omitting that fact.

Lamarvelous · May 29, 2020

tlance said:
No it isn’t though.

Both players will he injured at some point. That is the nature of the sport.

The difference is that Mahomes skill set makes it far more likely that he will still be elite post injury. All it takes is one big hit on a knee and LJ could be just a good runner instead of a great one. And that impacts his ability to make plays in other areas too.

That's fair, but it's no guarantee that either of them have that kind of injury (major knee, Achilles, etc...). If Lamar dislocated his kneecap, the same way Mahomes did, he'd be able to recover from it and be fine imo. And even if he tears his ACL, we're just gonna gloss over the fact that science/technology has gotten to the point where a lot of players can come back and be just as good as they were prior to the injuries? I don't think an ACL tear or anything in that realm are an automatic death-blow to anyone in the sport anymore.

Stomp · May 29, 2020

Lamarvelous said:
To everyone harping on the 'injury risk of a running QB', I'll just leave this here...

That being said, I'm still probably taking Mahomes for dynasty, but it's a lot closer than most people are making it seem.

"It's 1 in 92.5 for a QB getting SACKED inside the pocket, not just plays inside the pocket.

Per football outsiders the risk for injury on a designed pass play is 1 in 771 plays.

So 1 in 771 for designed pass

1 in 236 designed QB run

1 in 92.5 getting sacked

1 in 91.7 scramble

1 in 67.3 getting knockdown

So scrambles and designed runs have a higher expected injury risk than a designed pass play, and scrambles are similar to getting sacked in terms of expected injury risk.

Also from PFF, there is a positive correlation between per-dropback sack rate and scramble rate (r=0.44). So mobile QBs are also more likely to get sacked than QBs that don't run.

So from this article he's kinda supporting the argument that running QBs have a higher expected injury risk."

Lamarvelous · May 29, 2020

Stomp said:
"It's 1 in 92.5 for a QB getting SACKED inside the pocket, not just plays inside the pocket.

Per football outsiders the risk for injury on a designed pass play is 1 in 771 plays.

So 1 in 771 for designed pass

1 in 236 designed QB run

1 in 92.5 getting sacked

1 in 91.7 scramble

1 in 67.3 getting knockdown

So scrambles and designed runs have a higher expected injury risk than a designed pass play, and scrambles are similar to getting sacked in terms of expected injury risk.

Also from PFF, there is a positive correlation between per-dropback sack rate and scramble rate (r=0.44). So mobile QBs are also more likely to get sacked than QBs that don't run.

So from this article he's kinda supporting the argument that running QBs have a higher expected injury risk."

Wouldn't the scrambles be part of the designed pass plays category as well though?

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