Stephen F. Austin Multiple Sports hit with Penalties for Ineligible Players

Diego Roll Tide · May 25, 2020

socaljim242 said:
Thats such bullshit. They are in college and play a sport for that college. If they are taking a fake class to stay eligible then they were fraudulent students.

The NCAA is not in place to determine what is a “fake class”. They CAN investigate whether a student is completing the requirements of the course. If the student is (or they cannot price otherwise), that’s as far as the NCAA is supposed to go.

Courses go through several levels of approval within the university, and the universal goes through regional accreditation every decade. Whether you or I think a class is “legitimate” is irrelevant. Every university runs plenty of courses I would argue are pretty useless. Case in point: ———- (Ethnic, Women’s, etc.) Studies courses.

socaljim242 · May 25, 2020

Diego Roll Tide said:
You could make the same argument by about literally anything a school covers up. The primary reason for not going public was general university reputation. It was a great case for them to pay out the ass. In COURT.

An athlete getting some money on the side, a parent getting a job , a brother getting a job or a player getting a grade he didn't earn. While wrong and against the rules it doesn't taint a school all that much. Hiding the fact that your head assistant football coach is taking little boys into the showers and well we know. This was so horrible and evil and corrupt and known about in the upper echelons of the school administration and it was hidden so both the school and their prized football program didn't suffer. I don't see how you can't say it wasn't worthy of penalizing.

socaljim242 · May 25, 2020

Diego Roll Tide said:
The NCAA is not in place to determine what is a “fake class”. They CAN investigate whether a student is completing the requirements of the course. If the student is (or they cannot price otherwise), that’s as far as the NCAA is supposed to go.

Courses go through several levels of approval within the university, and the universal goes through regional accreditation every decade. Whether you or I think a class is “legitimate” is irrelevant. Every university runs plenty of courses I would argue are pretty useless. Case in point: ———- (Ethnic, Women’s, etc.) Studies courses.

The NCAA hits schools for illegal benefits . Giving and Getting a grade you didn't earn so you can stay eligible isn't an illegal benefit? LOL. Seriously?

Diego Roll Tide · May 25, 2020

ralphiewvu said:
The NCAA not addressing that makes it even worse. You have an actually athlete saying he rarely went to class and had someone write his term papers so he could remain eligible.

Rashad McCants Discusses Alleged Academic Fraud During Time at North Carolina

I also understand it’d be very hard to prove but the ncaa doing nothing was a complete joke. It just emphasizes how big of a joke they are.

Your last paragraph you nailed it.

Unfortunately, the word of one player can be undone by attorneys, especially if he’s a disgruntled former player, especially when you have OTHER players, coaches, and faculty refuting it.

Diego Roll Tide · May 25, 2020

socaljim242 said:
The NCAA hits schools for illegal benefits . Getting a grade you didn't earn so you can stay eligible isn't an illegal benefit? LOL. Seriously?

Here’s the thing. WHO says who earned what? That would be the faculty member. If the faculty said the grades were earned, proving otherwise would be difficult, especially if the faculty member kept adequate records.

In any event, the complaint addressed was whether they had created “bogus” courses for players, i.e., courses on the books for the purpose of keeping players eligible. Even if such courses WERE created (and they certainly wouldn’t have been so created in any official capacity, as they would never get through curriculum committees), that’s an issue for the regional accrediting body to address.

Deep Creek · May 25, 2020

socaljim242 said:
Well if USC had actually been involved in the TWO PEOPLE WITH NO CONNECTION TO USC giving them free rent (not gave them a house) for a year then you'd have a valid point.

Yeah, I just used USC and Auburn to make the point. Could apply to a whole bunch of 'em.

The old joke that was told around here back in the Southwest Conference days...even prior to the SMU saga...is one of my favorites.

Schools were "one upping" each other in a bidding war over what they were offering a recruit under the table. (But it later got to the point it wasn't even under the table.) Anyhoo, one exasperated BMD alumni got frustrated with the one up game and finally told his coach. "You just tell that kid if he plays for us we'll buy a liquor store and he can rob it anytime he wants to."

Diego Roll Tide · May 25, 2020

socaljim242 said:
An athlete getting some money on the side, a parent getting a job , a brother getting a job or a player getting a grade he didn't earn. While wrong and against the rules it doesn't taint a school all that much. Hiding the fact that your head assistant football coach is taking little boys into the showers and well we know. This was so horrible and evil and corrupt and known about in the upper echelons of the school administration and it was hidden so both the school and their prized football program didn't suffer. I don't see how you can't say it wasn't worthy of penalizing.

I’m saying it definitely was worthy of penalizing, just not by the NCAA. I think the penalties deserved were much harsher.

theboardref · May 25, 2020

8085sooner said:
Hell, the fucking FBI, cracks down on bribes, to players. Has recordings of coaches giving bribes and not one coach or school had been busted.

The FBI also selectively decided on who to crack down on. Notice Zion’s people were in talks with Kansas and Kansas, Duke, nor Zion have had any impact.

78Cyclones · May 25, 2020

theboardref said:
The FBI also selectively decided on who to crack down on. Notice Zion’s people were in talks with Kansas and Kansas, Duke, nor Zion have had any impact.

As we like to say in Big Xii Country: "Rock, Chalk, Jay-WALK"!

wazzu31 · May 25, 2020

Diego Roll Tide said:
SMU won one SWC title during that period. Price won more PAC titles during his tenure.

The SWC was ten times the conference the Pac 10 was when Price shared his two titles. Had we have been given 1/10th of the respect SMU had in their hay day then there would be no talk of Michigan splitting a title in 97 because Michigan wasn’t 1/10th the team that Nebraska was. The 1997 Michigan team was essentially the 2013 Auburn team neither team were legit NC teams but both lucked out in losses to us.

Diego Roll Tide · May 26, 2020

wazzu31 said:
The SWC was ten times the conference the Pac 10 was when Price shared his two titles. Had we have been given 1/10th of the respect SMU had in their hay day then there would be no talk of Michigan splitting a title in 97 because Michigan wasn’t 1/10th the team that Nebraska was. The 1997 Michigan team was essentially the 2013 Auburn team neither team were legit NC teams but both lucked out in losses to us.

I think you overestimate the respect given to SMU.

In their heyday, in 82 they finished 11-0-1 and beat Pitt in the Cotton Bowl. PSU won the NC at 11-1. The following season, the Mustangs were 10-1 with the single loss a 15-12 defeat against undefeated Texas (the same team that handed Auburn their only loss 20-7 at JH). Based on that, they surely got a premier bowl, right?

Nope. The Sugar opted for 9-2 Michigan, and the Orange for 10-1 Miami (whose loss was 28-3 to UF). SMU was relegated to the Sun Bowl against 7-4 Bama.

Rolltide94 · May 28, 2020

trojanfan12 said:
Well, to be fair, USC...

Yeah, I got nothin'.

Did you miss the part about public reprimand and censure...talk about cruel and unusual. What's next tongue lashings and unleashing the Karens. Is there no decency?

trojanfan12 · May 28, 2020

Rolltide94 said:
Did you miss the part about public reprimand and censure...talk about cruel and unusual. What's next tongue lashings and unleashing the Karens. Is there no decency?

Unleashing the Karens?

USC got off easy compared to that. lol

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