MJ Kobe Lebron?

dtgold88 · May 25, 2020

TrustMeIamRight said:
What was crazy to me -- they wanted to 'rebuild' when you have a once in a lifetime talent on your team, instead of riding it until the wheels fall off.

It is as if Krause thought he could just rebuild them into a juggernaut again, as if players like Jordan come around all the time.

I mean, they maybe didn't want to pay Scottie a long deal they'd regret halfway through as he got worse and worse every season after he left. BTW, did Pippen offer to give some of the money back to Portland?

But seems you seem convinced MJ cannot win with without Pippen. Guess I can see why since he never did.

dtgold88 · May 25, 2020

Mecca said:
This is my point exactly.

This guy actually BELIEVED he had Duncan, Hill, McGrady in the bag, he didn't, and that the greatest player to ever lace them up was cooked.

I get subscribing to the philosophy of its better to trade a guy a year early over a year late.

But, I also believe you shouldn't count your chickens before they hatch.

I mean, you keep saying that first comment as though it is anything other than baseless. Seems he knew it might have been time to rebuild. If not then, certainly in a couple years. And paying a guy like scottie to regress might not have been the best business decision for the franchise.

what it seems to come down to is MJ didn't want to see if he could win without Scottie and/or Phillip. and, yes, that is his right.

dtgold88 · May 25, 2020

flyerhawk said:
Let's assume that the NBA had the CBA in the 90s that it does now. All of the sudden Dream decides to go to Utah to play with Malone and Stockton. Or Webber goes to play for the Pacers?

Oh and Jordan isn't allowed to get 110% of the salary cap to stay with the Bulls.

Never understood this belief about MJ that there's no way he'd go. I mean, yeah, that's true with the CBA they had as you correctly pointed out.

But as much as everyone seems to think he hated Krause (and I agree) there is no chance he'd stick it to them to go play with, say, Ewing and the Knicks if they could clear cap and pay him close to what the Bulls did?

Wamu · May 25, 2020

Montalban said:
Not a chance. The intelligence level of my team would overcome the raw talent of yours.

Whatever you say racist.

dtgold88 · May 25, 2020

flyerhawk said:
Krause was an arrogant prick but I think people are ignoring the finances of the time. The Bulls couldn't keep paying Jordan 30 million a year when the freaking salary cap was 26 million.

I think maybe they could have.....but to do that AND pay scottie the long term deal he wanted (to watch him regress every year) might not have been smart.

dtgold88 · May 25, 2020

msgkings322 said:
Took you this long to try to troll this one again? Good luck with that.

And he didn't even include Kevin Love on that team. Ridiculous.

dtgold88 · May 25, 2020

SJ76 said:
I believe it was Phil that said it and possibly a few others. You probably need to watch the documentary.

Saw the entire documentary. I recall hearing about 1 year deals to the players. Not Phillip. I suspect you do as well or you'd have mentioned where you saw/heard it.

dtgold88 · May 25, 2020

tlance said:
They owed him that.

They were printing money over the course of the 90s and Jordan was always underpaid until his last couple seasons.

Really, what should have happened was Pip should have got 1 year 20 million or so and Jordan should have taken 10. Balance the scales a little. MJ sacrifices for Pip to get paid.

Maybe...but doubt Pip was taking any less than he thought he was worth (short or long term) after his last deal.

dtgold88 · May 25, 2020

msgkings322 said:
Probably something like that, but of course there was zero point zero chance Mike would do that.

Or Pippen after that last deal he signed.

dtgold88 · May 25, 2020

TrustMeIamRight said:
The Bulls were able to pay him that because Pippen was making 3 million a year.
Also, after paying Jordan that much -- he wasn't going to accept less when he won essentially every MVP award (league, all-star, NBA finals), won the scoring title and was 1st team all-NBA and 1st team all-NBA defense in 1998.

Having Jordan gave the Bulls a license to print money, but Jordan made $29 million more than the next highest paid player on the Bulls in 1998.

No chance they could have re-signed all of them back. Half their roster were FA's, including Jordan, Pippen and Rodman. They would have had to spend $100+ million to sign everyone when the salary cap was $27 million.

Exactly.....yet Krause was blamed when it was just the econmics of the game....and there was no chance Phillip and MJ wanted a greater challenge than the season they just had.

and, no, I cannot say I blame them. But that's not exactly the narrative that has been written about MJ.

SJ76 · May 25, 2020

dtgold88 said:
Exactly.....yet Krause was blamed when it was just the econmics of the game....and there was no chance Phillip and MJ wanted a greater challenge than the season they just had.

and, no, I cannot say I blame them. But that's not exactly the narrative that has been written about MJ.

You need to find something to do on this holiday today man. Your own narrative going pro Krause is a bad look and entirely out in right field. Perhaps Phil was tired of being the middle man dealing with Krause having some serious short mans disease and obviously needing so many pats on the back. The little dude was just disrespectful to so many key pieces and that’s why it dissolved.

this wasn’t hard to find:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1998-06-22-9806240014-story,amp.html

Jackson is leaving despite an offer from the Bulls to return at at least his same $6 million salary for next season, even if neither Jordan nor Pippen return to the team.

dtgold88 · May 25, 2020

SJ76 said:
You need to find something to do on this holiday today man. Your own narrative going pro Krause is a bad look and entirely out in right field. Perhaps Phil was tired of being the middle man dealing with Krause having some serious short mans disease and obviously needing so many pats on the back. The little dude was just disrespectful to so many key pieces and that’s why it dissolved.

this wasn’t hard to find:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1998-06-22-9806240014-story,amp.html

Jackson is leaving despite an offer from the Bulls to return at at least his same $6 million salary for next season, even if neither Jordan nor Pippen return to the team.

"Going pro Krause"? Right field?

don't confuse my rational and willing to see both sides as being pro Krause. I never cared for the guy and went into the documentary with the same preconceived notions of him that most did. But I'm an adult and am willing to hear what others have to say and look rationally into both sides. Just not willing to lay all the blame on him since other than words he did nothing to break up the team. That was the choice of Phillip and MJ.

Because he was getting $6 mil the next season does not come close to proving it was only for one year. and even if it was just one year, if he really wanted some time off why would he want more than a 1 year deal?

SJ76 · May 25, 2020

TrustMeIamRight · May 25, 2020

dtgold88 said:
Exactly.....yet Krause was blamed when it was just the econmics of the game....and there was no chance Phillip and MJ wanted a greater challenge than the season they just had.

and, no, I cannot say I blame them. But that's not exactly the narrative that has been written about MJ.

What narrative? I think you are making up your own narrative. Jordan almost retired after 1997. They won another title. Krause was ready to start trading away player after 1997, but they repeated, so they ran it back one more year. Krause wanted Jackson out after 1997. But after 5 titles, he brought him back for one more year.

They didn't name the documentary the The Last Dance on their own. PHIL JACKSON named the 1998 season, The Last Dance. Because everyone pretty much knew it was the end.

Krause learned the hard way -- when you don't have Michael Jordan, it isn't easy building a NBA contender and I bet after find that out -- he wishes he would have done everything in his power to bring back those players another year.

flyerhawk · May 25, 2020

dtgold88 said:
Never understood this belief about MJ that there's no way he'd go. I mean, yeah, that's true with the CBA they had as you correctly pointed out.

But as much as everyone seems to think he hated Krause (and I agree) there is no chance he'd stick it to them to go play with, say, Ewing and the Knicks if they could clear cap and pay him close to what the Bulls did?

MJ would have done whatever it took to win those rings. If some superteam was created that the Bulls couldn't beat, then he would have absolutely left to build some other super team if that was necessary.

Wazmankg · May 25, 2020

Not gonna read the whole thread. I made it through 2 pages looking for a an argument for Kobe being better than Lebron. Kobe had a better FT%? LBJ > Kobe and it's not all that close imo.

TrustMeIamRight · May 25, 2020

flyerhawk said:
MJ would have done whatever it took to win those rings. If some superteam was created that the Bulls couldn't beat, then he would have absolutely left to build some other super team if that was necessary.

It took Jordan and the Bulls multiple years to get by Boston, then multiple years to get by the Pistons. Jordan was never changing teams. The Knicks tried to get him to come to the NY with a $25 million dollar offer and all Jordan did was use it as collateral to get the Bulls to pay him $30 million.

Players didn't bounce from team to team in those days until the twilight of their careers if they hadn't won a ring yet.

dtgold88 · May 25, 2020

SJ76 said:

the old SportsHoopla "I cannot refute anything you said" facepalm. You must go through a lot of these.

dtgold88 · May 25, 2020

TrustMeIamRight said:
What narrative? I think you are making up your own narrative. Jordan almost retired after 1997. They won another title. Krause was ready to start trading away player after 1997, but they repeated, so they ran it back one more year. Krause wanted Jackson out after 1997. But after 5 titles, he brought him back for one more year.

They didn't name the documentary the The Last Dance on their own. PHIL JACKSON named the 1998 season, The Last Dance. Because everyone pretty much knew it was the end.

Krause learned the hard way -- when you don't have Michael Jordan, it isn't easy building a NBA contender and I bet after find that out -- he wishes he would have done everything in his power to bring back those players another year.

Maybe Krause thought it was easier than it might be after seeing a team he built win 55 games without MJ?

You get all Krause had were words, right? say it as much as you want that he SAID they would not come back but the fact is they were later asked to come back and declined.

Not really debatable, unless you think jackson lied.

dtgold88 · May 25, 2020

flyerhawk said:
MJ would have done whatever it took to win those rings. If some superteam was created that the Bulls couldn't beat, then he would have absolutely left to build some other super team if that was necessary.

Perhaps if Krause didn't hit the home run on Pippen we would have found out.

flyerhawk · May 25, 2020

TrustMeIamRight said:
It took Jordan and the Bulls multiple years to get by Boston, then multiple years to get by the Pistons. Jordan was never changing teams. The Knicks tried to get him to come to the NY with a $25 million dollar offer and all Jordan did was use it as collateral to get the Bulls to pay him $30 million.

Players didn't bounce from team to team in those days until the twilight of their careers if they hadn't won a ring yet.

The league was very different back as was the CBA. It was extremely difficult to do what the Heat did and create a super team from FAs.

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